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(Non-)Muslims Against Sharia

Muslims Against Sharia burst onto the scene last week with its announcement of a counter-bounty on the head of the probably-imaginary Abu Omar al-Baghdadi (al Qaeda’s own version of Keyser Soze). Bearing the slogan “Acknowledging Mistakes, Accepting Responsibities, Moving Forward” they seemed almost too good to be true. Unfortunately, they almost certainly are – as it is not clear that any of their members are actually Muslims!
muslims against sharia site
The MASh manifesto sets out their stall quite explicitly:
“We, as Muslims, find it abhorrent that Islam is used to murder millions of innocent people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.”
“Twenty-first century Muslims have two options: we can continue the barbaric policies of the seventh century […], or we can reform Islam to keep our rich cultural heritage and to cleanse our religion from the reviled relics of the past.”

So far so good. MASh appears to do exactly what it says on the tin: they are Muslims, and they are against sharia.

So it was surprising to see, buried away in their Blogger profile, that one of their main “Team Members” was Atlas Shrugs (aka Pamela Geller) – the right-wing, Bushier-than-Bush blogger who only last month was calling for Islam to be banned. Had Pamela “reverted” to the one true religion?

And why would MASh take on such a high-profile blogger and keep her hidden away? Did they think having an anti-Islam neocon on board might undermine their credibility? Or are they actually anti-Islam neocons themselves, and they simply forgot to cover their tracks by tidying up their Blogger profile?

The Freethinker asked MASh spokesman “Khalim Massoud” outright: “Are you in any way connected with American neocons?” – thereby giving him the chance to come clean and explain the Atlas connection. He answered:

Neocon is a vague term. If it means that neocon is a former Liberal who
became a Conservative after 9/11, then, in a way, we are all neocons. We get
blamed from both sides. There are people that see us as Islamic conspiracy
to decrease non-Muslim vigilance. Others see us as a neocon conspiracy to
divide the Ummah. There is no point in trying to convince either; they
already made up their minds. But since most of those people probably believe
that Bush and the Jews orchestrated September 11 attacks, we don’t want to
waste our time alleviating those concerns.

Oh dear. Concerns not really alleviated, Khalim. Concerns somewhat intensified.

What about Atlas herself? Although a prominent Team Member, she had made no mention of them on her blog – and she is prolific, to say the least – in spite of their headline-grabbing counter bounty earlier in the week. Why so coy?

The Freethinker: I notice that Muslims Against Sharia is one of the 4 Blogger blogs you administer [actually, ‘author’ is more accurate]. Was it your idea?
Atlas Shrugs: NO but I love it.
The Freethinker:How did you become involved with them?
Atlas Shrugs: They asked me …
The Freethinker: What exactly did they ask you for?
Atlas Shrugs: Uh… to join them. What is it you are getting at?

Uh… just wondering what a conservative Jew was doing in a group called Muslims Against Sharia.

An hour after that first question was answered, Atlas Shrugs broke its silence on MASh with a hasty post:
atlas post
Why didn’t Khalim mention his high-flying team member when he was given the opportunity? He responded much later in the day (hey, it was Sunday – maybe he was in church):

We consider Ms. Geller an exemplary anti-Dhimmi and are honored by her involvement with Muslims Against Sharia. If every American felt about terrorism the way Ms. Geller does, we would be much farther ahead in the fight against terror than we are now. So, to make it absolutely clear, we would be happy to publicize our association with Ms. Geller.

Well, there you go. It’s public now.

I received a invitation to contribute to the MASh blog yesterday evening. I joined, but I won’t be contributing. It seems the only qualification necessary to join this group is to be “against sharia” – but it does raise the question of what the “Muslim” part of the name is for.

The latest member of the team is Ted Belman of Israpundit. Whatever their true motivations, MASh are laying themselves wide open to accusations of being a “Zionist conspiracy” – and a fair proportion of Muslims need no prompting to throw that one about.

Whether they really are brave reformists or just the product of some neocon fantasy is impossible to say. Only one thing can be stated with any certainty: Muslims Against Sharia is a misnomer.

NEXT WEEK: The Freethinker investigates “Atheists Against Secularism” – what exactly is Pope Benedict XVI’s role in this organisation?

UPDATE: (11th Oct) MASh founder Khalim Massoud is interviewed here by All American Blogger.

41 responses to “(Non-)Muslims Against Sharia”

  1. Leena says:

    What exactly is their definition of “Muslim”? They believe all these verses should be removed from the Quran: http://www.reformislam.org/verses.php ? Please…

    There are plenty of REAL muslims who are against shariah, myself included. Their silly attempt to deceive people has failed.

  2. satch says:

    If it walks like a muslim, talks like a muslim, and blows things up like a muslim, its still a terrorist! Who are you trying to fool? Muslims are terrorists, plain and simple! You want to change? Then assimilate, not infiltrate!

  3. t says:

    Heh. Satch is such a tool.

  4. Dean's World says:

    “Muslims” Against Sharia…

    Muslims Against Sharia claims to be a group of muslims who believe,

    – “We, as Muslims, find it abhorrent that Islam is used to murder millions of innocent people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.”
    – “Twenty-fi……

  5. Freethinker,

    We invited you be a contributor to the blog; we did not invite you to become a group member. You a basing your assumptions on your political views. Doesn’t sound much like free thinking, does it?

    Leena,

    If you do not consider statements like “kill them wherever you find them” or “slay the idolaters wherever you find them” or “do not take the unbelievers for friends” repulsive and that verses containing them should be removed or marked as outdated, how can you in good conscience call yourself good anything, especially a good Muslim?

  6. Freethinker,

    I went over your posts and the only logical conclusion I could come up with is that you are suffering from anti-Islamic bigotry. You seem to relish the fact that most terrorist acts are committed by Muslims, while not challenging their faith. However, when you hear a Muslim voice condemning terrorism, you dismiss it as a fake. I know it is a difficult task, but try to consider the possibility that not every Muslim is a bloodthirsty monster. Maybe then, it would be easier for you to accept reality.

    Disappointedly,

    Khalim Massoud
    Muslims Against Sharia

  7. Leena says:

    Khalim, How *could* I be a good Muslim if I reject part of “God’s book”?

    If one has progressed enough to knowingly reject some of “God’s words” mightn’t they go ahead and be an atheist and live by their own rules? You would be smarter than God. Why call oneself a “Muslim” if that is the case?

    I disagree that the verses need to be removed/marked. The traditional (and misleading) definitions and ideas behind several terms need to be changed.

    Also, if most Muslims do believe in the whole Quran and believe in “slaying ‘them’ where they find them”, wouldn’t that make all Muslims bloodthirsty monsters? Are those that reject parts of the Quran the only good ones?

  8. Dave McKeegan says:

    Khalim

    I am quite aware that the majority of Muslims condemn terrorism, and that there exist many genuine and brave reformist Muslims, including several groups. However I have seen very little evidence to justify counting Muslims Against Sharia among their number, and quite a lot of evidence against.

    Your accusation that I am suffering from “anti-Islamic bigotry” is not only wide of the mark (the above is my first post on Islam), but actually quite hilarious when you consider that one of the main contributors to MASh has called for Islam to be banned – something I wouldn’t dream of doing.

    My conclusion regarding your group is not based on either bigotry or my “political views”. Muslims Against Sharia is misleadingly named because its only identifiable members (or contributors, if you insist) are manifestly not Muslims.

  9. […] atheist blogger — Freethinker — has done research into the origins of this group (as well as engaged in correspondence) and found that they are connected to a […]

  10. Leena,

    Let’s deal with facts, not emotions. The Koran contains verses that call for murder or subjugation of non-Muslims. There are Muslims who either misinterpret those verses or take them too literally. Whatever the reason is, the result is obvious: an ongoing and growing conflict between Muslims fundamentalists and the rest of the world. We can discuss theological concepts including whether or not those were Allah’s real words in the first place (remember that the Prophet himself admitted that some of what he thought came from Allah, in fact came from Shaitan), whether or not, those words were recorded properly, or whether or not those words were not changed over the years. We will never know the definite answer. If you change traditional (and misleading) definitions and ideas behind several terms, there still will be Muslims who will disagree with new definitions. We just trying to be practical; we believe removing/marking those verses is the most effective avenue.

    As for Muslims who believe in whole Koran, we find it a rather difficult task. How can you reconcile the Koranic concept of mandatory murdering of all non-Muslims with Koranic concepts of respect for a human life and respect for the People of the Book (Christians and Jews)?

    Dave,

    We found no record of Pamela Geller calling for Islam being banned. However, even if she did, she must have meant its fundamentalist version, which wouldn’t be such a bad idea. Even before Muslims Against Sharia went public, Ms. Geller was very supportive of Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, an American, a veteran, and … oh yeah, a Muslim.
    I won’t spend any more time on trying to explain the difference between a member of a group and a contributor to the group’s blog; it is not important. What IS important is that we are a group of MUSLIMS who oppose radical Islam, but if someone wants to think of us as a group of PEOPLE who oppose radical Islam, that’s just fine.

  11. […] (Unlike some critics, I don’t believe shariah = Islam.) I’ve discussed the group elsewhere and even gotten in touch with the group’s president but I’m not really much closer to […]

  12. Domu Alhab says:

    The site didn’t fool Muslims for a second. Too many errors in terms of assumptions of what constitutes Islamic traditions.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143826

  13. Domu Alhab says:

    Actually, the Quran has nothing on “murder or subjugation”. Two of the prophets wives were non-Muslim, and were not treated any differently from others. The Quran acknowledges and speaks on war, and it is in that context that harsh dealings with the enemy is spoken about.

  14. No Nonsense says:

    This is a bit of a joke. It’s cowardly to use the cover of claiming to be a Muslim, and then bash Islam as though the rhetoric was meant to seem like a ‘dialogue amongst peers’. The objection that the site’s author has with criticisms of the Bible, as well as his view that the Crusade (which featured the massacres of both Muslims and Jews) clearly shows this guy is actually a Christian. The “Islam says kill all unbelievers” bit is remarkably stupid, very Ann Coulterish.

    And the bible is loaded with violence, and even rape. The NT admittedly is relatively free of actual violent acts (Jesus speaks of them though) but that can be attributed to the fact that the Biblical Jesus didn’t live long.

    The site’s author made several other mistakes which I won’t bother responding to. It’s a dumb website.

  15. Domu Alhab says:

    I’m Muslim, and I’m vehemently opposed to Shariah. That there are over a billion Muslims on this planet and yet only 2 countries come even close to implementing shariah proves that most Muslims do not want to be governed by Shariah.

    Neither the Quran nor Muhammad spoke of implementing a particular code of governance. Shariah is based on the notion that the practices of those who succeeded Muhammad as leaders are the examples to be followed. The truth of history was that the Khilafa was a failure soon after its onset. Only 1 of the 4 first Caliphs died a natural death. War an infighting between Muslims went on relentlessly. Its a system that failed, and was soon replaced with monarchy.

    The application of shariah is supported by those who are ignorant of history and religion. It stems from the notion that wisdom began and ended ed in the middle ages, and all we can hope to do is imitate them. This is the perspective of stone-headed Islamists/Islamic extremists, which most Muslims shun.

  16. sonia says:

    I don’t know why Freethinker’s post sounds ‘anti-Islamic’ = it is a perfectly natural set of questions to ask and investigate.

  17. fugstar says:

    Shariaphobia amongst Muslims is common amongst people who would prefer hundreds of years of islamic scholarship of sacred law and allied disciplines to be abandoned and for the members of the ummah to neatly dovetail into something less rooted in revelation, trendy and transient.

    Such a line, and its an understandable line, though a wrong one… thats what id call ‘Anislamic’, as in without the light of Islam. Whether its used as a weapon against Islam is a slightly different matter though quite obvious in the behavioural pattern of the use of the discourse.

  18. fugstar,
    Unfortunately, vast majority of proponents of Sharia are just too stupid to realize that they are in violation of multiple Sharia tenets.

  19. USpace says:

    It doesn’t matter if MAS are Muslims. They are against Sharia, that is what is important. I have no doubt there are Muslims involved. In any case, to any degree, they speak for all the Muslims WHO ARE against Sharia. Yes, of course it is true that most Muslims are peaceful, moderate, reasonable, secular and against Sharia. Most Muslims aren’t terrorists but most terrorists are Muslims. Probably 99% of them.

    There have been over 10,300 acts of Islamic inspired terrorism since 9/11. Check the religionofpeace.com, they document ALL of them.

    These peaceful Muslims against Sharia can not speak out publicly without harassment from Radicals, often death threats.

    The media and the Governments suck up to the ‘taqiya’ Muslims, the liars and apologists like CAIR, the moderates are left out in the cold.

    Imagine if all the violent passages in the Koran had never existed. Or even had not existed for the last 100, or 50 years. In other words, had been removed years ago.

    When radicals take over a country. They shove all the anti-Sharia Muslims and non-Muslims around. What are they supposed to do?

    Rewriting the Koran is certain to piss off the radical wackos. How can that be a bad thing?

    I am looking forward to hearing that The New and Improved Koran has hit Amazon and Barnes & Noble, or Lulu.

    What’s wrong with taking out the bad and violent passages? How might things be different in 50 or 100 years if those violent passages don’t exist for next few generations of Muslims?

    http://www.reformislam.org/verses.php

    .
    absurd thought –
    God of the Universe says
    HAPPY NEW YEAR Infidels

    ignore the threat of Jihad
    just keep sleeping like sheep

    .
    absurd thought –
    God of the Universe says
    behead homosexuals

    while screaming GOD IS GREAT
    and The Left will defend you

    .
    absurd thought –
    God of the Universe says
    don’t understand terrorists

    ignore their roots of hatred
    political religions

    .
    absurd thought –
    God of the Universe says
    ignore creeping sharia

    don’t believe Jihadists
    want world domination

    http://haltterrorism.com/
    .

  20. Khalim, or whoever he is has taken to spamming my blog by publishing comments there linking to his own trash, er blog. Imagine, he doesn’t even do me the favor of a trackback which at least would promote both of us.

    Interesting that this person is using Tennis School of Omaha as his e mail domain. I hope to God he’s the owner of that business (in which case some enterprising person should be able to unmask the “real” Khalim by researching who owns that business). Or else Khalim is an employee & in that case could get himself in a lot of trouble publising homophobic slurs as he did in my blog’s comment section while using his employers computer server.

    Dave, get in touch w. me if you need any further documentation of what I’ve got.

  21. Oh, damn. I thought we had this guy. I just Goggled the business & tried to access the website tennisschoolofomaha.com & nothing comes up. I’m guessing Khalim is smarter & more devious than I gave him credit for.

  22. “publising homophobic slurs” (not our spelling)
    Dick, if someone commented on you performing an unspeakable act on a person of the same gender it is probably a description, not a “homophobic slur”. We might want to poke some fun at a dick like you, but why would we offend our gay members?

  23. When one changes something fundamental, then one is radical. These people need to be debated live, in person.

  24. Aksel Ankersen says:

    I am an anti Islamist, but I’m annoyed by MASh’s childish tactic of masquerading as Muslims. Lying gets us nowhere, in the long run.

  25. Aksel, you might be an anti-Islamist, but you are also a moron. What if one idiot claimed that you are lying about being anti-Islamist and second idiot took that claim at face value? How would be second idiot different form you?

  26. Aksel Ankersen says:

    Ok “Muslims Against Sharia”, I might have guessed wrong. Maybe you sincerely believe you’re Muslims. But you are deceiving yourself.

    A Muslim is one who submits himself or herself to Allah or the version of God in the Koran. If you want to pick and choose the parts of Allah’s book that you think acceptable you’re not submitting to Allah; therefore not a Muslim.

    Maybe you could say you’re a Mumakas, or one who haggles with Allah. Unfortunately, unlike the gourd seller in The Life of Brian, I don’t think Allah is keen on haggling.

    -Aksel

  27. “If you want to pick and choose the parts of Allah’s book”

    Since the Koran is full of contradictory verses, it is impossible not to “pick and choose.” Unless you can respect the “People of the Book” while “kill[ing] them wherever you find them,” you cannot accept the Koran as a whole.

  28. Morons againt Sharia says:

    So let me get this straight -they set up a website fronted by people with Muslim names and supported by someone who wants Islam banned- and they expect Muslim support?

    A person cannot be a Muslim unless they believe in the whole Quran. The fact that these people quote verses out of context [has anyone ever read the verses before and after 9:5 “slay the polythiests wherever you find them”] or imply from the English translations (!) they have one possible meaning just reveals their absurdity.

    I wonder if even the laxist Jew, Catholic or Hindu would concur with their religion being banned ?

  29. “A person cannot be a Muslim unless they believe in the whole Quran.”

    How can a moron who equivocates mass murder by claiming that “slay the polythiests wherever you find them” and who can’t even spell ‘polytheists’ could possibly be against Sharia?

  30. Imran Abu Muhammad says:

    Hello/Salaams,

    Am a Muslim, who believes in the shariah, as I will never doubt the words of Allah and his beloved prophet PBUH.

    Reading through some of these comments made me laugh, If this website aims to attract intellectual people whom we can have a decent discussion or dialogue with; then it has certainly failed to serve it’s purpose.

    Saatch says: Muslims are terrorists, plain and simple!
    I suppose in Mars the definition of terrorists is different to our world is it?

    If I said there is an organisation who has been actively involved in drug trafficking, murder and kidnapping, the first word that would enter your mind would possibly be MAFIA, well America the land of freedom have been involved in all the above, but above is justified and regarding as ‘coercive diplomacy’ rephrased as ‘terrorist’ for Muslims.

    In response to the post by ‘MUSLIMS AGAINST SHARIAH’
    You claim the Quran contains verses calling for the destruction of non Muslims. Unfortunately the problem is not with’moron muslims'(according to you). The problem entirely lies with yourself, not only have you totally thrown the verses out of context but you have fabricated lies ie, when you mentioned that the holy prophet PBUH mistook some words which he attributed to Allah but came from Shaitan.

    To provide one example of one your lies the verse you quoted was “kill them wherever you find them”, an act of unprofessionalism was you never quoted which verse. The verse in question is from Chapter 9 Verse 5. The name of the Sura is called AT-TAUBAH, the only Surah without the words Bismillah….To briefly explain, the surah refers to the treaty between pagans and Muslims, and it informs MUSLIMS AT THAT TIME if the pagans(not non muslims) break the truce then muslims can attack them. What you convenient forgot were the preceeding verses. you also failed to mention verse no. 6 of the same sura. “If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him” which clearly indicates not to harm those PAGANS who seek asylum.

    Now I suppose when Saddam broke a UN resolution, The west attacked, does that make them terrorists.

    MAS facts are distorted, false statements are prevalent, MAS can never be Muslims, they are a neo-con non muslim website run by a person with a mind of a sheep.

    Islam derives from the word peace. There are fanatics but if Neo Cons prefer to tar every Muslim with the same brush then peace can never prevail.

  31. Ahmad says:

    “Muslims” Against Sharia is a group of KAFIR APOSTATES through and through.

    Anyone who doubts the disbelief of these kafir apostates is him/her-self a kafir.

    Furthermore, they’re are a bunch of uneducated retards who haven’t bothered taking an education on Islam or any world religion for that matter.

    Like a few others have said, this site is at a sub-idiotic intellectual quality.

    Not worth anyone’s time really. Just Muslims beware: these people are KAFIRS and the worst kind of KAFIRS.

  32. […] is too almost identical to sites run by anti-Muslim (Geert Wilders) and neo-Nazi extremists. Let’s take a look at who is really behind this site MAS, it was surprising to see, buried away in their Blogger profile, that one of their main “Team […]

  33. bill warner says:

    Muslims Against Sharia Attempt to Shut Up Private Investigator Bill Warner, What Are They Hiding ?

    http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2009/03/muslims-against-sharia-attempt-to.html

    Muslims Against Sharia, a online group with dubious links, run by the so called President Khalim Massoud are running a full court press to discredit and shut up Private Investigator Bill Warner, I wonder why ?

    The Muslims Agaisnt Sharia attacks started on or about March 16th and appear to involve some perceived afront to one of the listed original members of the Muslims Against Sharia, Pamela Geller of the Atlas Shrugs blog that thas just recently been labeled as a Hate/Discrimination website see here article, Friday, March 20, 2009.

  34. DARREN says:

    if you want sharia law then why dont you go to a muslim country ,why is it only muslims who are always un happy with the uk,no other people or religion is.who a muslim country let me build a church there for my beleifs,i dont think so do you.why are british so called british muslims always protesting in the streets about iraq,there have never seen iraq,if your so concerned about other countrie why dont you go live there.britain dos,nt want muslim idiot terroist here,evrey one of them need deporting,yer would be lost without yer state benefits eh ,thousands of pounds for 15 in 1 house.people like you realy piss me off,if i had my way no muslim would be in my country,wat is it that muslims bring to the uk,besides idiots wearing masks with little slit holes.do us all brits a favor and take your scrounging familys back to were you came from then that would be the end of terroism.wat happend if 58million brits started terroism activeties against muslims,you wouldnt be happy would you.i dont mind decent people ,but not idiots talking shite about beheading people or saying sharia law in bitain(dont be stupid)am i allowed to walk around saying be head imams and bulldoze all the mosques,no i am not.so why do idiot fanatics do,in my appinion we should deport all muslims because there hav,vt given anything or contributed to the uk,end of.

  35. DARREN says:

    if you want sharia law then why dont you go to a muslim country ,why is it only muslims who are always un happy with the uk,no other people or religion is.would a muslim country let me build a church there for my beleifs,i dont think so do you.why are british so called british muslims always protesting in the streets about iraq,there have never seen iraq,if your so concerned about other countrie why dont you go live there.britain dos,nt want muslim idiot terroist here,evrey one of them need deporting,yer would be lost without yer state benefits eh ,thousands of pounds for 15 in 1 house.people like you realy piss me off,if i had my way no muslim would be in my country,wat is it that muslims bring to the uk,besides idiots wearing masks with little slit holes.do us all brits a favor and take your scrounging familys back to were you came from then that would be the end of terroism.wat happend if 58million brits started terroism activeties against muslims,you wouldnt be happy would you.i dont mind decent people ,but not idiots talking shite about beheading people or saying sharia law in bitain(dont be stupid)am i allowed to walk around saying be head imams and bulldoze all the mosques,no i am not.so why do idiot fanatics do,in my appinion we should deport all muslims because there hav,vt given anything or contributed to the uk,end of.

  36. DARREN says:

    why is it that a muslim man is more important then a woman,why do there treat there woman like dogs,always in favour of the man ar,nt they.in england evreyones all equal.sharia law is not welcome in my country,1 law for all.if you dont like it then leave the country,why does evrey 1 want to come to england.benefits.muslims dont want to be part of the uk,there want there own little state within.freedom of speech am i allowed to stone a muslim if hes done wrong to me,no i would be classed as racist.and if i was in a muslim country i would get nothing.thats why the uk is the best.muslims always complain about the uk about my way of life,your oright eating our food spendind our money and living in our houses on benefits,we brits dont want you here .

  37. LadyPredator says:

    Don’t believe anything Mr. Bill Warner or his cohort in fabrication, Mr. Jim Sutter. So far the only legitimate objection to MASh is the fact that don’t appear to be Muslims in the traditional sense. Also all the offensive foul language don’t help this person cause. However the “expose” that these two narcissists have come up is pure fiction.
    Mr. Sutter The source” for alleged criminal activity is himself a multiple felon (6th Circuit Court #1:94-cr-00010-SHB).Projection perhaps?

    Mr. Sutter who claims that MASh is alleged evading taxes is a person who was caught cheating the IRS in three consecutive years (Cleveland Common Pleas Court #2003200305289086). Projecting again?

    Mr. Sutter, who claims that MASh is perpetrating religious deception is someone who has been masquerading as a Catholic priest and Baptist pastor for at least 17 years. More projection.

    Sutter’s and Warner’s “claims” that the FBI is investigating Muslims Against Sharia is based on the fact that they supposedly filled out a web form on the FBI’s page.

    Warner’s source, Jim Sutter, a two time felon who projects his criminal behavior on others. On September 17, 1990, Sutter pled guilty to making false accusations (on which another person was wrongfully arrested) and was sentenced to 60 days house detention and three years probation.

    Sutter was convicted of falsifying a police report in order to have this person arrested on false charges.
    http://tinyurl.com/cnvctb
    http://tinyurl.com/ddxuq4

    Sutter past criminal history reveals that he who has committed the crimes of stalking, forgery, making false police reports, using interstate communications to make personal threats, (he uses his blog to defame persons who don’t conform to his “whims and wishes” also known as extortion) Credit Card theft, impersonating an Navy officer, impersonating mental health professional. (see his separation from the Navy after eight months here http://tinyurl.com/c9vw7r)

    Warner is not much of a PI if he uses Sutter for a source of information!!

    See phonyrev.com
    exposingsutter.om

  38. Ridwan says:

    to laugh or to cry since neocons like you contribute to a deadly effect in the world and the wars that you support and no need to go through the logical conclusions of your movement or the genocidal quotes that meny in your movment have to take you seruously in your effort against against sharia that is so evil but more to reality muslims know what those verses mean and even translate to unlike you who just throws it about for your advancment with deciet and lies those verses relate to a specific event in islamic history not a command oviously simlar verse exist in the bible and as your movment is almost entirly made up of religious jews, evangelical christians the rest "judeo-christian heritage" the verse from the bible would make reasonable sense with what your movment in doing

  39. Ridwan says:

    to laugh or to cry since neocons like you contribute to a deadly effect in the world and the wars that you support and no need to go through the logical conclusions of your movement or the genocidal quotes that meny in your movment have to take you seruously in your effort against against sharia that is so evil but more to reality muslims know what those verses mean and even translate to unlike you who just throws it about for your advancment with deciet and lies those verses relate to a specific event in islamic history not a command oviously simlar verse exist in the bible and as your movment is almost entirly made up of religious jews, evangelical christians the rest "judeo-christian heritage" the verse from the bible would make reasonable sense with what your movment in doing

  40. You Suck says:

    True name – Negativethinker