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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5593</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcus: I thought the bovines were blue, you are being inconsistent.  (Just trying to add a little humor)  So you do not have the scientific proof that you said that atheists have to &quot;prove&quot; that God does not exist? You are not, as you say, indifferent to the idea of God. You have made up your mind that there is no God and it is from that preconceived position that you argue.
There was a time that I really was indifferent.  I heard truths presented to me and took on the task of study.  When I did this there was one obvious conclusion: There is a God Who created all things and He wants a relationship with me.  That didn&#039;t make sense to me either. Not that God existed, but that He wants a relationship with man.
Most annoying to me is that those who propagate atheism and evolutionism try to make others believe that they are &quot;scientific&quot; and try to use intellectual intimidation rather than the science they claim is on their side. Your statements about morality and the destruction of life due to Christians is unfounded and simoly untrue? Where are you getting your information.
You might want to give some thought to how life came into being.  It may prove to be helpful when you &quot;pop your clogs&quot; and &quot; cease to exist.&quot; 
Are you then as open as you claim to be concerning the proof that you say does not exsist?
I would like to leave you with my favorite quote concerning atheist: &quot; Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcus: I thought the bovines were blue, you are being inconsistent.  (Just trying to add a little humor)  So you do not have the scientific proof that you said that atheists have to &#8220;prove&#8221; that God does not exist? You are not, as you say, indifferent to the idea of God. You have made up your mind that there is no God and it is from that preconceived position that you argue.<br />
There was a time that I really was indifferent.  I heard truths presented to me and took on the task of study.  When I did this there was one obvious conclusion: There is a God Who created all things and He wants a relationship with me.  That didn&#8217;t make sense to me either. Not that God existed, but that He wants a relationship with man.<br />
Most annoying to me is that those who propagate atheism and evolutionism try to make others believe that they are &#8220;scientific&#8221; and try to use intellectual intimidation rather than the science they claim is on their side. Your statements about morality and the destruction of life due to Christians is unfounded and simoly untrue? Where are you getting your information.<br />
You might want to give some thought to how life came into being.  It may prove to be helpful when you &#8220;pop your clogs&#8221; and &#8221; cease to exist.&#8221;<br />
Are you then as open as you claim to be concerning the proof that you say does not exsist?<br />
I would like to leave you with my favorite quote concerning atheist: &#8221; Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5590</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rick: Aha! I was wondering how long it would take you to lay the burden on me to prove the non-existence of a deity - a very old trick, but a perfectly ludicrous one, as one cannot prove a negative. 

YOU are the one claiming the existence of God, therefore it is YOU who has to provide the proof.

I, on the other hand, am completely indifferent to the idea of god. The existence, or non-existence of a Supreme Ruler matters as much to me as the divine,six-legged purple bovines on Uranus, which mentioned in an earlier post. They are totally irrelevant.

What DOES matter, though – and has bothered me all my life – is that many believers insist on foisting their non-proven gods on those who simply wish to live god-free lives. 

Most annoying of all is their insistence on linking morality with god-belief when such belief has shown itself down the ages to be the least moral of any human invention - and, if it continues on its present path, will, ultimately, lead to the destruction of most life on earth.

I am no evolutionary biologist, and have no idea of how life came into being on this planet, or for what purpose. All I know is that before I was born I did not exist, and that, after I pop my clogs, I shall happily cease to exist. 

Until that happens I will continue to cheerfully challenge the irrational wherever and whenever it crosses my path.

I leave you with my favourite definition of the fella who discovers God: He is like a blind man who enters a pitch-dark cellar in search of a black cat which isn&#039;t there - then miraculously finds it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rick: Aha! I was wondering how long it would take you to lay the burden on me to prove the non-existence of a deity &#8211; a very old trick, but a perfectly ludicrous one, as one cannot prove a negative. </p>
<p>YOU are the one claiming the existence of God, therefore it is YOU who has to provide the proof.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, am completely indifferent to the idea of god. The existence, or non-existence of a Supreme Ruler matters as much to me as the divine,six-legged purple bovines on Uranus, which mentioned in an earlier post. They are totally irrelevant.</p>
<p>What DOES matter, though – and has bothered me all my life – is that many believers insist on foisting their non-proven gods on those who simply wish to live god-free lives. </p>
<p>Most annoying of all is their insistence on linking morality with god-belief when such belief has shown itself down the ages to be the least moral of any human invention &#8211; and, if it continues on its present path, will, ultimately, lead to the destruction of most life on earth.</p>
<p>I am no evolutionary biologist, and have no idea of how life came into being on this planet, or for what purpose. All I know is that before I was born I did not exist, and that, after I pop my clogs, I shall happily cease to exist. </p>
<p>Until that happens I will continue to cheerfully challenge the irrational wherever and whenever it crosses my path.</p>
<p>I leave you with my favourite definition of the fella who discovers God: He is like a blind man who enters a pitch-dark cellar in search of a black cat which isn&#8217;t there &#8211; then miraculously finds it!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5588</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcus: You are absolutely right. If the god of Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions were the same god he would indeed be a &quot;psychotic monster noy worthy of worship or respect&quot;.  You are unreasonably lumping every on who is religious in the same category and perhaps in your mind they are. Anyone who has done any sort of religious study will affirm that these beliefs are indeed very different.  Do you think that you are being fair and accurate by placing every &quot;religion&quot; in the same category? I am not for religion but for a relationship.

Why do you think you are still not convinced about a true and living God? How do you believe that humans and animals and the world for that matter began?

I think that you are defining &quot;scientific&quot; to suit your need of the word.  Suppose i had this approach: give me rational, reasonable, tangible proof that there is not God.  If you can prove to me scientifically that there is no God, I would at once cease to be an Christian.  Are you not allowing you belief that there is no God to direct your life and the lives of those closest to you?  It would appear that you are trying to place the burden of proof on those that believe in God.  Do you have proof that there is no God? I would be interested in hearing your scientific evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcus: You are absolutely right. If the god of Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions were the same god he would indeed be a &#8220;psychotic monster noy worthy of worship or respect&#8221;.  You are unreasonably lumping every on who is religious in the same category and perhaps in your mind they are. Anyone who has done any sort of religious study will affirm that these beliefs are indeed very different.  Do you think that you are being fair and accurate by placing every &#8220;religion&#8221; in the same category? I am not for religion but for a relationship.</p>
<p>Why do you think you are still not convinced about a true and living God? How do you believe that humans and animals and the world for that matter began?</p>
<p>I think that you are defining &#8220;scientific&#8221; to suit your need of the word.  Suppose i had this approach: give me rational, reasonable, tangible proof that there is not God.  If you can prove to me scientifically that there is no God, I would at once cease to be an Christian.  Are you not allowing you belief that there is no God to direct your life and the lives of those closest to you?  It would appear that you are trying to place the burden of proof on those that believe in God.  Do you have proof that there is no God? I would be interested in hearing your scientific evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5569</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 09:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rick: I have had all sorts of arguments given to me for the existence of God, and I still remain unconvinced because they are virtually all presented in the form of circular argument, such as &quot;God exists because it says so in the Bible.&quot; 

&quot;Who wrote the Bible?&quot;

&quot;Well, men did, but it was inspired by the Word of God.&quot; (It is to their credit that not a single woman contributed so much as a line to the Bible.) 

This is, of course, a simplistic example; there are many more convoluted ones, but are all equally unconvincing.

So we atheists don&#039;t accept the non-existence of gods &quot;on faith&quot;, but through rational deduction in the absence any evidence to the contrary. It&#039;s known as the scientific approach.

If your God was shown to exist, I would at once cease to be an atheist, but would then  need evidence that it was a benign entity capable of intervening directly in my life, and the lives of those closest to me. 

If the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions are to be believed, your god is a psychotic monster, and an incompetent one to boot. 

Such an entity in no way deserves worship, let alone respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rick: I have had all sorts of arguments given to me for the existence of God, and I still remain unconvinced because they are virtually all presented in the form of circular argument, such as &#8220;God exists because it says so in the Bible.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Who wrote the Bible?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, men did, but it was inspired by the Word of God.&#8221; (It is to their credit that not a single woman contributed so much as a line to the Bible.) </p>
<p>This is, of course, a simplistic example; there are many more convoluted ones, but are all equally unconvincing.</p>
<p>So we atheists don&#8217;t accept the non-existence of gods &#8220;on faith&#8221;, but through rational deduction in the absence any evidence to the contrary. It&#8217;s known as the scientific approach.</p>
<p>If your God was shown to exist, I would at once cease to be an atheist, but would then  need evidence that it was a benign entity capable of intervening directly in my life, and the lives of those closest to me. </p>
<p>If the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions are to be believed, your god is a psychotic monster, and an incompetent one to boot. </p>
<p>Such an entity in no way deserves worship, let alone respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5546</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcus: Have you ever had someone present in a sequential fashion the reality of God and how His existence can indeed be proven? Isn&#039;t it true that atheist believe that there is no God by faith? Fairy tales are indeed deluded, however God is a fact not a fairy tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcus: Have you ever had someone present in a sequential fashion the reality of God and how His existence can indeed be proven? Isn&#8217;t it true that atheist believe that there is no God by faith? Fairy tales are indeed deluded, however God is a fact not a fairy tale.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5536</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rick: Of course atheists don&#039;t feel threatened by fairy stories - except those that are insinuated into places of learning in the guise of &quot;religious education&quot; or &quot;bible study&quot; and presented as &quot;Truth&quot;. 

The reason I regard believers of this sort of &quot;fairy&quot; story as deluded is because they ARE deluded. They take on faith something which is unproven and unprovable. 

Atheists, on the other hand, demand evidence, and so long as that evidence remains unforthcoming, we rightly remain skeptical. There is no question of us &quot;believing a lie by faith.&quot;

If for example, someone proposed the fact that six-legged blue bovines occupied the Uranus, and, that, for the sake of my &quot;immortal soul&quot; I should supplicate myself to these beings at the Church of Blue Bovines, I would first demand proof of their existence.

If proof were actually provided, my disbelief of the said bovines would, of course, evaporate. However, I would still have to be convinced that these creatures held some supernatural sway over my life before I stopped to worship them.

Ditto for the Christian/Judaic/Islamic God – and all the other gods that went before. 

I too, appreciate engaging with you in a cordial manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rick: Of course atheists don&#8217;t feel threatened by fairy stories &#8211; except those that are insinuated into places of learning in the guise of &#8220;religious education&#8221; or &#8220;bible study&#8221; and presented as &#8220;Truth&#8221;. </p>
<p>The reason I regard believers of this sort of &#8220;fairy&#8221; story as deluded is because they ARE deluded. They take on faith something which is unproven and unprovable. </p>
<p>Atheists, on the other hand, demand evidence, and so long as that evidence remains unforthcoming, we rightly remain skeptical. There is no question of us &#8220;believing a lie by faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>If for example, someone proposed the fact that six-legged blue bovines occupied the Uranus, and, that, for the sake of my &#8220;immortal soul&#8221; I should supplicate myself to these beings at the Church of Blue Bovines, I would first demand proof of their existence.</p>
<p>If proof were actually provided, my disbelief of the said bovines would, of course, evaporate. However, I would still have to be convinced that these creatures held some supernatural sway over my life before I stopped to worship them.</p>
<p>Ditto for the Christian/Judaic/Islamic God – and all the other gods that went before. </p>
<p>I too, appreciate engaging with you in a cordial manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 05:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein was so ahead of his time.  He was realizing God as a presence in the physical world, that is always and every where, and therefore more easily overlooked.  There is this underlying substance, a fundamental element of matter, which we are composed of.   There is no judgement at this basic level, no fear or hate, only a striving for unity.  This longing for unity has also been defined as love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein was so ahead of his time.  He was realizing God as a presence in the physical world, that is always and every where, and therefore more easily overlooked.  There is this underlying substance, a fundamental element of matter, which we are composed of.   There is no judgement at this basic level, no fear or hate, only a striving for unity.  This longing for unity has also been defined as love.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5479</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcus: Have you ever been to the mall or Wal-Mart during the month of December? Santa is everywhere being propagated as fact to children. The truth is that atheists are not threatened by fairy tales and therefore have no problem with them. What makes you so sure that Christians are delusional? Isn&#039;t it possible that the atheists are the ones believing a lie by faith?  I also want to thank you for a cordial debate.  It is nice to be able to have the freedom to discuss our beliefs in a reasonable fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcus: Have you ever been to the mall or Wal-Mart during the month of December? Santa is everywhere being propagated as fact to children. The truth is that atheists are not threatened by fairy tales and therefore have no problem with them. What makes you so sure that Christians are delusional? Isn&#8217;t it possible that the atheists are the ones believing a lie by faith?  I also want to thank you for a cordial debate.  It is nice to be able to have the freedom to discuss our beliefs in a reasonable fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5430</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gerald 
&quot;.. physicists have recently accelerated particles of matter (electrons) to speeds in excess of the speed of light.&quot;
This is utterly and entirely false, please, please give me a source for this if you have one.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.  I believe that is Exodus 2:16 if we want to go off quoting Bible verses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gerald<br />
&#8220;.. physicists have recently accelerated particles of matter (electrons) to speeds in excess of the speed of light.&#8221;<br />
This is utterly and entirely false, please, please give me a source for this if you have one.<br />
Thou shalt not bear false witness.  I believe that is Exodus 2:16 if we want to go off quoting Bible verses.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady D</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/05/14/religion-its-all-crap-suggested-einstein/comment-page-1/#comment-5424</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As snow in summer and rain in harvest,
so is honor, not fitting for a fool&quot; 
&quot; Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Proverbs 26:1&amp;12

If you do not have the Lord in your heart what good will all the wisdom and money in the world be to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As snow in summer and rain in harvest,<br />
so is honor, not fitting for a fool&#8221;<br />
&#8221; Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<br />
Proverbs 26:1&amp;12</p>
<p>If you do not have the Lord in your heart what good will all the wisdom and money in the world be to you?</p>
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