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		<title>By: Barry Duke</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/01/well-said-yasmin/comment-page-1/#comment-6470</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should point out that Ahmad posted the same reply beneath our report about a Muslim school in Slough http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/11/10/change-for-the-worse-in-slough/
to which Andy Armitage replied:
There is nothing wrong with helping kids learn another language. I got a smattering of French at school, and itâ€™s helped me a little. Arabic is not needed, though, if all you want it for is to read a desiccated old scripture, because there is no need, and I stress the word need, to learn the Koran. Itâ€™s just superstition made up by a madman who thought the Archangel Jibrail/Gabriel was talking to him. They did in those days, and people these canâ€™t see that, back then, it was understandable that people would try to create a model for the creation of the universe (or the flat Earth, as many saw it back then, with the stars in some sort of firmament).

Iâ€™m sorry, but youâ€™ve shown yourself to be one who wants Islam to insinuate itself into Western society with the words you use: â€ Its aim is to make
British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the
Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.â€ Demands? Who are you to demand anything? You must take your place alongside me and him and her and the rest of us. You have no more right to demand than I do. Muslims make too many demands: look at the blog I write for, especially &lt;a href=&quot;http://ptt-blog.blogspot.com/2008/07/dog-and-phone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt;, to see what I mean.

Someone has left a comment there, saying that itâ€™s only a matter of time before the majority rise up against all this carping and moaning and demanding and threatening and would-be censorship (of cartoons, of pig ornaments, of pig stories that â€œoffendâ€ your poor sensitivities), of short films that dare to criticise some of the mad bits of your â€œholy bookâ€.

Come on! No one in Britain has to read this tosh. Theyâ€™d be better off getting a good all-round education â€“ and Iâ€™m afraid religion is just superstition. Let us learn about it, but not have it shoved down our throats. Yours ought to be left in the Middle East, or preferably expunged from thinking society by logical argument and ridicule.

If half the Asian kids in this country had not been born to parents who are not quite in touch with reality because they believe in the utter drivel you believe in, my friend, theyâ€™d truly be playing a better part in society. Fortunately, some are rebelling; unfortunately, other young Muslims are taking up jihad, with dangerous consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should point out that Ahmad posted the same reply beneath our report about a Muslim school in Slough <a href="http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/11/10/change-for-the-worse-in-slough/" rel="nofollow">http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2.....in-slough/</a><br />
to which Andy Armitage replied:<br />
There is nothing wrong with helping kids learn another language. I got a smattering of French at school, and itâ€™s helped me a little. Arabic is not needed, though, if all you want it for is to read a desiccated old scripture, because there is no need, and I stress the word need, to learn the Koran. Itâ€™s just superstition made up by a madman who thought the Archangel Jibrail/Gabriel was talking to him. They did in those days, and people these canâ€™t see that, back then, it was understandable that people would try to create a model for the creation of the universe (or the flat Earth, as many saw it back then, with the stars in some sort of firmament).</p>
<p>Iâ€™m sorry, but youâ€™ve shown yourself to be one who wants Islam to insinuate itself into Western society with the words you use: â€ Its aim is to make<br />
British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the<br />
Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.â€ Demands? Who are you to demand anything? You must take your place alongside me and him and her and the rest of us. You have no more right to demand than I do. Muslims make too many demands: look at the blog I write for, especially <a href="http://ptt-blog.blogspot.com/2008/07/dog-and-phone.html" rel="nofollow">this story</a>, to see what I mean.</p>
<p>Someone has left a comment there, saying that itâ€™s only a matter of time before the majority rise up against all this carping and moaning and demanding and threatening and would-be censorship (of cartoons, of pig ornaments, of pig stories that â€œoffendâ€ your poor sensitivities), of short films that dare to criticise some of the mad bits of your â€œholy bookâ€.</p>
<p>Come on! No one in Britain has to read this tosh. Theyâ€™d be better off getting a good all-round education â€“ and Iâ€™m afraid religion is just superstition. Let us learn about it, but not have it shoved down our throats. Yours ought to be left in the Middle East, or preferably expunged from thinking society by logical argument and ridicule.</p>
<p>If half the Asian kids in this country had not been born to parents who are not quite in touch with reality because they believe in the utter drivel you believe in, my friend, theyâ€™d truly be playing a better part in society. Fortunately, some are rebelling; unfortunately, other young Muslims are taking up jihad, with dangerous consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: michael martin</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/01/well-said-yasmin/comment-page-1/#comment-6437</link>
		<dc:creator>michael martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if the children don&#039;t want to be muslims? What if they don&#039;t want to visit Pakistan? What if they don&#039;t want to be cut off from the culture of the country they call home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the children don&#8217;t want to be muslims? What if they don&#8217;t want to visit Pakistan? What if they don&#8217;t want to be cut off from the culture of the country they call home?</p>
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		<title>By: Iftikhar Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/01/well-said-yasmin/comment-page-1/#comment-6431</link>
		<dc:creator>Iftikhar Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam

London School of Islamics is an educational Trust. Its aim is to make
British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the
Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.

Slough Islamic school Trust Slough had a seminar on Muslim
education and schools in Thames Valley Atheltic Centre. The seminar was
addressed by the education spokesman of MCB. I could not attend the seminar
but I believe lot of Muslims from Slough and surrounding areas must have
attended. Very soon, the Muslims of Slough will have a state funded Muslim
school but there is a need for more schools. A day will come when all Muslim
children will attend state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim
teachers as role model.

Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of
their literature and poetry.

Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a
problem. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not
want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours
from London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.

More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let Muslim
community educate its own children so that they can develop their own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of
the British society rather than becoming a buden.

We are living in an English speaking country and English is an
international language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well
versed in standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu
and other community languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?

It is not only the Muslim community who would like to send their children to
Muslim school. Sikh and Hindu communities have started setting up their
schools. Last week. British Black Community has planned the first all black
school with Black teachers in Birmingham.

Scotland&#039;s first state funded Muslim school could get the go-ahead within
months after First Munister Alex Salmond declared he was sympathetic towards
the needs and demands of the Muslim community.

Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam</p>
<p>London School of Islamics is an educational Trust. Its aim is to make<br />
British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the<br />
Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.</p>
<p>Slough Islamic school Trust Slough had a seminar on Muslim<br />
education and schools in Thames Valley Atheltic Centre. The seminar was<br />
addressed by the education spokesman of MCB. I could not attend the seminar<br />
but I believe lot of Muslims from Slough and surrounding areas must have<br />
attended. Very soon, the Muslims of Slough will have a state funded Muslim<br />
school but there is a need for more schools. A day will come when all Muslim<br />
children will attend state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim<br />
teachers as role model.</p>
<p>Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less<br />
bilingual schools.</p>
<p>Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the<br />
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve<br />
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the<br />
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community<br />
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of<br />
their literature and poetry.</p>
<p>Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a<br />
problem. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not<br />
want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours<br />
from London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.</p>
<p>More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school<br />
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60<br />
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the<br />
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British<br />
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least<br />
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated<br />
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the<br />
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are<br />
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.</p>
<p>Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual<br />
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a<br />
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education<br />
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let Muslim<br />
community educate its own children so that they can develop their own<br />
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of<br />
the British society rather than becoming a buden.</p>
<p>We are living in an English speaking country and English is an<br />
international language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well<br />
versed in standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu<br />
and other community languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?</p>
<p>It is not only the Muslim community who would like to send their children to<br />
Muslim school. Sikh and Hindu communities have started setting up their<br />
schools. Last week. British Black Community has planned the first all black<br />
school with Black teachers in Birmingham.</p>
<p>Scotland&#8217;s first state funded Muslim school could get the go-ahead within<br />
months after First Munister Alex Salmond declared he was sympathetic towards<br />
the needs and demands of the Muslim community.</p>
<p>Iftikhar Ahmad<br />
London School of Islamics Trust<br />
<a href="http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk</a></p>
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