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	<title>Comments on: Bigotry sours Obama victory in California, and raises it ugly head in Ireland</title>
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		<title>By: Ex Partiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex Partiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valdemar you are so right. I live in Europe and when the Pres.or PM and MPs come up for election ,nobody gives a damn which sky daddy one believes in or doesn&#039;t, the question is not asked also the wives and family menbers are not attacked. Religion sucks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valdemar you are so right. I live in Europe and when the Pres.or PM and MPs come up for election ,nobody gives a damn which sky daddy one believes in or doesn&#8217;t, the question is not asked also the wives and family menbers are not attacked. Religion sucks</p>
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		<title>By: valdemar</title>
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		<dc:creator>valdemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Angela! Yes, Obama is not your ideal atheist/humanist, but who would expect one to get elected in the USA? Unfortunately, America is where Western Europe was about 50 years ago, re: faith. You have to be a churchgoer (templegoer, whatever) to be considered a good citizen by millions of voters. Here in the UK nobody gives a toss, and indeed religiosity is regarded as a bit weird. As of course it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Angela! Yes, Obama is not your ideal atheist/humanist, but who would expect one to get elected in the USA? Unfortunately, America is where Western Europe was about 50 years ago, re: faith. You have to be a churchgoer (templegoer, whatever) to be considered a good citizen by millions of voters. Here in the UK nobody gives a toss, and indeed religiosity is regarded as a bit weird. As of course it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to post again but word â€˜byâ€™ is missing between unprotected and law. 

Andâ€¦â€¦Hasnâ€™t Obama a preacher friend at his local church by the name of Rev Jeremiah Wright? The same preacher who believes â€˜the white manâ€™ introduced AIDS to kill blacks and that the Twin Towers attacks were caused by Americas tolerance of homosexuals, abortion, [insert brand of bigotry here ad infinitum]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to post again but word â€˜byâ€™ is missing between unprotected and law. </p>
<p>Andâ€¦â€¦Hasnâ€™t Obama a preacher friend at his local church by the name of Rev Jeremiah Wright? The same preacher who believes â€˜the white manâ€™ introduced AIDS to kill blacks and that the Twin Towers attacks were caused by Americas tolerance of homosexuals, abortion, [insert brand of bigotry here ad infinitum]</p>
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		<title>By: Angela K</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/11/06/bigotry-sours-obama-victory-in-california-and-raises-it-ugly-head-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-9473</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where the church is powerful the people are weakend.

The emotive term here being exploited is â€œmarriageâ€ Gay marriage - that horrible expression beloved of the Tabloids - it is not. The fundies seem to forget that legal processes and rights upon which Civil Partnerships are based are the same as those enjoyed in man-woman unions. The religious nutters donâ€™t want to give equal legal status to all people because the fundies want to keep some of us as second class citizens: easier to bash us if we are unprotected law. The Proposition 8 debacle in California is a retrograde step in terms of human rights and common decency; what next, homosexuality to made illegal? 

Erâ€¦â€¦ and were not people getting â€˜marriedâ€™ long before the churches hijacked the proceedings to make money and add their prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where the church is powerful the people are weakend.</p>
<p>The emotive term here being exploited is â€œmarriageâ€ Gay marriage &#8211; that horrible expression beloved of the Tabloids &#8211; it is not. The fundies seem to forget that legal processes and rights upon which Civil Partnerships are based are the same as those enjoyed in man-woman unions. The religious nutters donâ€™t want to give equal legal status to all people because the fundies want to keep some of us as second class citizens: easier to bash us if we are unprotected law. The Proposition 8 debacle in California is a retrograde step in terms of human rights and common decency; what next, homosexuality to made illegal? </p>
<p>Erâ€¦â€¦ and were not people getting â€˜marriedâ€™ long before the churches hijacked the proceedings to make money and add their prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before this election story is remembered as solely Obama = Inclusive &amp; Bold and Prop 8 Supporters = Divisive &amp; Bigots, it is worth remembering that many Obama voters, attracted to the polls by the appeal of his message, voted for the proposition. (See http://www.slate.com/id/2203912/ and elsewhere.) Leading Democratic politicians to their discredit have fled from the issue of gay marriage, and Obama&#039;s words in his acceptance speech might have more &quot;boldly&quot; come before, not after, the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before this election story is remembered as solely Obama = Inclusive &amp; Bold and Prop 8 Supporters = Divisive &amp; Bigots, it is worth remembering that many Obama voters, attracted to the polls by the appeal of his message, voted for the proposition. (See <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2203912/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2203912/</a> and elsewhere.) Leading Democratic politicians to their discredit have fled from the issue of gay marriage, and Obama&#8217;s words in his acceptance speech might have more &#8220;boldly&#8221; come before, not after, the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Newspaniard</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/11/06/bigotry-sours-obama-victory-in-california-and-raises-it-ugly-head-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-9470</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. It makes you wonder what the two guys in the photo are worried about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. It makes you wonder what the two guys in the photo are worried about.</p>
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		<title>By: Newspaniard</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/11/06/bigotry-sours-obama-victory-in-california-and-raises-it-ugly-head-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-9469</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Valdemar!</description>
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		<title>By: valdemar</title>
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		<dc:creator>valdemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Father Ted, now gay marriage. Go Erin! Or whatever the correct term is. Tell the Pope and his minions to sod off. They had their chance and they blew it - along with numerous choirboys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Father Ted, now gay marriage. Go Erin! Or whatever the correct term is. Tell the Pope and his minions to sod off. They had their chance and they blew it &#8211; along with numerous choirboys.</p>
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