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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man you Jehovah Witnesses are completely, ignorant and epic failures in life.  True and Pure Racists.  It snot your faults.  2011 is the year of the Virgo and Taurus. 
(11) Which Symbolizes [Revolution] as well as those astrological signs themselves.  And Guess what &quot;Good Ol&#039; BOYS&quot;?
Yes that&#039;s right, The Big 2012AD will be a big year.  But only because its the year of the Aquarius.  The Cleansing of the Earth through the Waters of the ABSOLUTE Aquarius, God.

Moreover don&#039;t be scared by what I say.  Its only ABSOLUTE truth and you all will argue me down.  But I have nothing else to say.  For those here who know these things are either scared that us Black people are aware!  And our Knowledge will increase even more in 2011 Three times in a Year.  So that means events that would take 50-75 years to happen WILL occur in one year.
And you also know that &quot;2012&quot; is the exact date wen the 6,500 years of the Lunar phase of The World is Over and the Solar Phase begins for another 6,500 hundred years.  

You Racists can call it &quot;Global Warming&quot;  blah BLAH BLAH!! But those here that are still shocked at reading that this Black man and Most of us know these things know that It will get so hot in the year of the Aquarius, that the pale, mutated &quot;fish people&quot;, or &quot;man[kind], or &quot;white person&quot; ill have to go back into the caves where, this beings skin was so pale it was almost translucent.  And THUS, Thus Our reign begins again.

But if you do have a relationship with God and are not of Iniquity and full of Hate like so so many people in General.  Then the GIFTS from Heaven- Asteroids, Meteors and such won&#039;t destroy, no matter your Rae, ethnicity or what have you.  Because Go Loves all.
My Goal in saying all this is to say that all this Hate stuff Why?  Grab a hold of a Life.  Get a Life!!!!

Have a nice night.  Ignorant pieces of Vomit and manure. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man you Jehovah Witnesses are completely, ignorant and epic failures in life.  True and Pure Racists.  It snot your faults.  2011 is the year of the Virgo and Taurus.<br />
(11) Which Symbolizes [Revolution] as well as those astrological signs themselves.  And Guess what &#8220;Good Ol&#8217; BOYS&#8221;?<br />
Yes that&#8217;s right, The Big 2012AD will be a big year.  But only because its the year of the Aquarius.  The Cleansing of the Earth through the Waters of the ABSOLUTE Aquarius, God.</p>
<p>Moreover don&#8217;t be scared by what I say.  Its only ABSOLUTE truth and you all will argue me down.  But I have nothing else to say.  For those here who know these things are either scared that us Black people are aware!  And our Knowledge will increase even more in 2011 Three times in a Year.  So that means events that would take 50-75 years to happen WILL occur in one year.<br />
And you also know that &#8220;2012&#8243; is the exact date wen the 6,500 years of the Lunar phase of The World is Over and the Solar Phase begins for another 6,500 hundred years.  </p>
<p>You Racists can call it &#8220;Global Warming&#8221;  blah BLAH BLAH!! But those here that are still shocked at reading that this Black man and Most of us know these things know that It will get so hot in the year of the Aquarius, that the pale, mutated &#8220;fish people&#8221;, or &#8220;man[kind], or &#8220;white person&#8221; ill have to go back into the caves where, this beings skin was so pale it was almost translucent.  And THUS, Thus Our reign begins again.</p>
<p>But if you do have a relationship with God and are not of Iniquity and full of Hate like so so many people in General.  Then the GIFTS from Heaven- Asteroids, Meteors and such won&#8217;t destroy, no matter your Rae, ethnicity or what have you.  Because Go Loves all.<br />
My Goal in saying all this is to say that all this Hate stuff Why?  Grab a hold of a Life.  Get a Life!!!!</p>
<p>Have a nice night.  Ignorant pieces of Vomit and manure.<br />
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		<title>By: Christopher J Wyatt</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/12/29/with-gods-help-black-people-can-turn-white/comment-page-1/#comment-41199</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher J Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, the fact is god doesn&#039;t care about you, the only people who care about you are your family, your friends and yourself.

I don&#039;t care if you are black or white, I&#039;ll point out i am a white man but i wouldn&#039;t care if i was black, the fact is people who say it is god who makes their skin colour change are idiot&#039;s.

I have black friends and white friends, i hate more white people then i do black people, but we are all people, this is what a small proportion of people don&#039;t seem to understand.

I hope all the white racist&#039;s in the world get killed by white people and i hope all the black racists get killed my black people, maybe this will show you there are evil people on both sides of story and there are also good people on both sides of the story.

P.S if you are a racist i hope you get this condition and change white to black or black to white so you can live in the body of someone you hate for no good reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, the fact is god doesn&#8217;t care about you, the only people who care about you are your family, your friends and yourself.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if you are black or white, I&#8217;ll point out i am a white man but i wouldn&#8217;t care if i was black, the fact is people who say it is god who makes their skin colour change are idiot&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I have black friends and white friends, i hate more white people then i do black people, but we are all people, this is what a small proportion of people don&#8217;t seem to understand.</p>
<p>I hope all the white racist&#8217;s in the world get killed by white people and i hope all the black racists get killed my black people, maybe this will show you there are evil people on both sides of story and there are also good people on both sides of the story.</p>
<p>P.S if you are a racist i hope you get this condition and change white to black or black to white so you can live in the body of someone you hate for no good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: PuReWebDev</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/12/29/with-gods-help-black-people-can-turn-white/comment-page-1/#comment-41119</link>
		<dc:creator>PuReWebDev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a whiteman, may have had it&#039;s advantages 50 years ago, however, that has all changed. I find myself attracting more women, and being very socially acceptable as a black male.

This website might be the only place where like minded idiots can congregate to share in their ignorance, where as if you started talking all this hateful content from the website in the streets, you&#039;d quickly be relieved of your front teeth, wallet and more.

You faggots can keep your craptastic website. Peace bitches!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a whiteman, may have had it&#8217;s advantages 50 years ago, however, that has all changed. I find myself attracting more women, and being very socially acceptable as a black male.</p>
<p>This website might be the only place where like minded idiots can congregate to share in their ignorance, where as if you started talking all this hateful content from the website in the streets, you&#8217;d quickly be relieved of your front teeth, wallet and more.</p>
<p>You faggots can keep your craptastic website. Peace bitches!!</p>
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		<title>By: sandrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 01:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who in the hell wants to be white!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who in the hell wants to be white!</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is a cure or was for being gay you would reject it anyway.
 You would say the same crap. even if it were proven to be a birth     defect you would insult me ... call me a bigot...etc... You would say that same stuff you are saying. Why should I change? Well Most people are not born that way which means that it is not normal. There would be no world if it were normal. God made a woman for Adam not a man. That is why we are here. God said it was a sin, not in being gay but acting on it. So you are angry at him and don&#039;t understand. Did you ever stop to think that Jesus was flesh and knows how we feel. He did not marry therefore never had sex, since he did not sin. I think he had desires but looked at the bigger picture. Maybe he even liked men that is why he did not marry. To prove you don&#039;t have to sin. Everyone has something that can try to blame on God,but I would not advise it. I have sinned, everyone does. Heaven is for everyone who wants it. You/me need to get rid of pride and repent and TRY your best to please him, that is the only way to heaven. Hope to see you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is a cure or was for being gay you would reject it anyway.<br />
 You would say the same crap. even if it were proven to be a birth     defect you would insult me &#8230; call me a bigot&#8230;etc&#8230; You would say that same stuff you are saying. Why should I change? Well Most people are not born that way which means that it is not normal. There would be no world if it were normal. God made a woman for Adam not a man. That is why we are here. God said it was a sin, not in being gay but acting on it. So you are angry at him and don&#8217;t understand. Did you ever stop to think that Jesus was flesh and knows how we feel. He did not marry therefore never had sex, since he did not sin. I think he had desires but looked at the bigger picture. Maybe he even liked men that is why he did not marry. To prove you don&#8217;t have to sin. Everyone has something that can try to blame on God,but I would not advise it. I have sinned, everyone does. Heaven is for everyone who wants it. You/me need to get rid of pride and repent and TRY your best to please him, that is the only way to heaven. Hope to see you there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ham Bone </title>
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		<dc:creator>Ham Bone </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the scriptures, an apostle fearful of offending Jewish Christains didn&#039;t associate with non Jewish Christians and was rebuked by Paul in public. So on various occasions  in the scriptures Christians have had wrong ideas, were corrected  they left them behind. So  If  some Witnesses  did have this idea it is not so unusual given that it  reportedly is in 1900.  The important thing is that such thinking be dropped, which they did. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the scriptures, an apostle fearful of offending Jewish Christains didn&#039;t associate with non Jewish Christians and was rebuked by Paul in public. So on various occasions  in the scriptures Christians have had wrong ideas, were corrected  they left them behind. So  If  some Witnesses  did have this idea it is not so unusual given that it  reportedly is in 1900.  The important thing is that such thinking be dropped, which they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Nafees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nafees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many other options like skin bleach ans other cosmetic options for skin whitening. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.savvynaturalhealer.com/2008/12/treating-vitiligo-naturally.html/vitiligo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vitiligo&lt;/a&gt; is not a better way for this purpose.
It is fairly chronic skin condition. Affects hardly the emotions and social contacts of its sufferer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many other options like skin bleach ans other cosmetic options for skin whitening.<br />
<a href="http://www.savvynaturalhealer.com/2008/12/treating-vitiligo-naturally.html/vitiligo/" rel="nofollow">vitiligo</a> is not a better way for this purpose.<br />
It is fairly chronic skin condition. Affects hardly the emotions and social contacts of its sufferer.</p>
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		<title>By: tom sheepandgoats</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom sheepandgoats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, who &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; this guy, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, who <i>is</i> this guy, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: tom sheepandgoats</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom sheepandgoats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Robert, go easy on John, will you? He was wrong on that point. So? I don&#039;t see why you have to put him through the shedder. 

Plus, I doubt he&#039;s one of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses anyway, which you seem to assume. It&#039;s not likely a JW would make a mistatement on that point. We all know when the movement started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Robert, go easy on John, will you? He was wrong on that point. So? I don&#8217;t see why you have to put him through the shedder. </p>
<p>Plus, I doubt he&#8217;s one of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses anyway, which you seem to assume. It&#8217;s not likely a JW would make a mistatement on that point. We all know when the movement started.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stovold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stovold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 
You claim that â€œJehovah Witnesses, were not even established until late 1914â€.  Your statement contradicts the Jehovahâ€™s Witnessesâ€™ own site, which says â€œTHE modern history of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses began more than a hundred years agoâ€.  
http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/article_02.htm
â€œMore than 100 years agoâ€, in case your maths is a bit flakey, means pre-1909.  Which means pre-1914.   And thatâ€™s when the modern history began (the phrase â€œmodern historyâ€ implies an ancient history stretching back even further than that).
The name of the movement and its publications have changed over time, but the official website of the Jehovahâ€™s Witnesses clearly traces the origins of the movement back to before 1914:
 â€œTHE modern history of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses began more than a hundred years ago. In the early 1870&#039;s, a rather inconspicuous Bible study group began in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., which is now a part of Pittsburgh. Charles Taze Russell was the prime mover of the group. In July 1879, the first issue of the magazine Zion&#039;s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ&#039;s Presence appeared.â€
â€œThe history of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses in modern times has been filled with dramatic events. From the one small Bible study in Pennsylvania back in 1870, the Witnesses by the year 2000 grew to some 90,000 congregations worldwide.â€

If youâ€™re really bothered about names, youâ€™re still wrong, because according the Wikipedia article, the term â€œJehovahâ€™s Witnessâ€ wasnâ€™t formerly adopted by the movement until 1931:
â€œOn July 26, 1931, the name Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses was adopted by resolution at a convention in Columbus, Ohioâ€
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses

You  claim that â€œno one has seem[sic] to make mentionâ€ that the Watchtower wasnâ€™t around before 1914â€. 

However, had you read the source article to which Barry linked with more concern for precision and less concern for revision, you would have found the following information in the References section: 
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/3819/1/MEDICAL-Expertise-of-the-Watchtower
â€œWTWR - The Watchtower, Announcing Jehovah&#039;s Kingdom (includes Zion&#039;s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ&#039;s Presence (July 1879 - December 15 1907) and The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ&#039;s Presence (January 1 1908 - February 15 1939; &#039;Watch Tower&#039; made into one word on October 15 1931, &#039;Presence&#039; replaced by &#039;Kingdom&#039; January 1 1939)) periodicalâ€.

To cut a long story short,
a)	youâ€™re wrong
b)	your objections on the basis of what things are called is irrelevant to the main point at issue, namely that your organisation has consistently got it wrong big time.
Incorrect, irrelevant and logically flawed.  Your stance encapsulates religion in a nutshell.  Or should I say â€œnutcaseâ€?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
You claim that â€œJehovah Witnesses, were not even established until late 1914â€.  Your statement contradicts the Jehovahâ€™s Witnessesâ€™ own site, which says â€œTHE modern history of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses began more than a hundred years agoâ€.<br />
<a href="http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/article_02.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/article_02.htm</a><br />
â€œMore than 100 years agoâ€, in case your maths is a bit flakey, means pre-1909.  Which means pre-1914.   And thatâ€™s when the modern history began (the phrase â€œmodern historyâ€ implies an ancient history stretching back even further than that).<br />
The name of the movement and its publications have changed over time, but the official website of the Jehovahâ€™s Witnesses clearly traces the origins of the movement back to before 1914:<br />
 â€œTHE modern history of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses began more than a hundred years ago. In the early 1870&#8242;s, a rather inconspicuous Bible study group began in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., which is now a part of Pittsburgh. Charles Taze Russell was the prime mover of the group. In July 1879, the first issue of the magazine Zion&#8217;s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ&#8217;s Presence appeared.â€<br />
â€œThe history of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses in modern times has been filled with dramatic events. From the one small Bible study in Pennsylvania back in 1870, the Witnesses by the year 2000 grew to some 90,000 congregations worldwide.â€</p>
<p>If youâ€™re really bothered about names, youâ€™re still wrong, because according the Wikipedia article, the term â€œJehovahâ€™s Witnessâ€ wasnâ€™t formerly adopted by the movement until 1931:<br />
â€œOn July 26, 1931, the name Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses was adopted by resolution at a convention in Columbus, Ohioâ€<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J....._Witnesses</a></p>
<p>You  claim that â€œno one has seem[sic] to make mentionâ€ that the Watchtower wasnâ€™t around before 1914â€. </p>
<p>However, had you read the source article to which Barry linked with more concern for precision and less concern for revision, you would have found the following information in the References section:<br />
<a href="http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/3819/1/MEDICAL-Expertise-of-the-Watchtower" rel="nofollow">http://www.jehovahs-witness.ne.....Watchtower</a><br />
â€œWTWR &#8211; The Watchtower, Announcing Jehovah&#8217;s Kingdom (includes Zion&#8217;s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ&#8217;s Presence (July 1879 &#8211; December 15 1907) and The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ&#8217;s Presence (January 1 1908 &#8211; February 15 1939; &#8216;Watch Tower&#8217; made into one word on October 15 1931, &#8216;Presence&#8217; replaced by &#8216;Kingdom&#8217; January 1 1939)) periodicalâ€.</p>
<p>To cut a long story short,<br />
a)	youâ€™re wrong<br />
b)	your objections on the basis of what things are called is irrelevant to the main point at issue, namely that your organisation has consistently got it wrong big time.<br />
Incorrect, irrelevant and logically flawed.  Your stance encapsulates religion in a nutshell.  Or should I say â€œnutcaseâ€?</p>
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