THE Church of Latter Days Saints – better known as the Mormons – were cock-a-hoop last year after the success of Proposition 8, the campaign to eradicate marriage rights for same-sex couples in California.
Coming to a doorstep near you shortly – representatives of the lying, hypocritical Mormon Church
But, in the wake of the passage of Proposition 8, the Mormons stood back, essentially saying:
It was nothing to do with us, guv – a big boy done it and ran away!
They took this line because of the revulsion millions expressed over the church’s tactics. These involved handing down orders to its members to donate to Yes on 8 and to agitate for the ballot measure.
According to the GayAtheistAgenda blog:
Websites and multimedia efforts filled with anti-gay propaganda and outright lies (not to mention extortion attempts) were prepared by the Church and by Mormons under the direction of the Church to ensure the passage of Proposition 8.
According to Crooks and Liars. The Mormon Church spent at least three months intimidating their members into giving money to “Yes on Prop 8″, telling Mormon families that their “souls will be in jeopardy” if they did not contribute portions of their income.
And what has this money bought? A pernicious pack of lies, broadcast dozens of times a day into California homes. A church whose ninth commandment reads ‘thou shalt not bear false witness’ is helping fund false ads that claim California parents do not have the right to remove their children from sex education classes – a right they have and that courts have repeatedly confirmed.
Yet when the measure was passed the Mormons came over all innocent.
They complained that they only comprise two percent of the California population, so how the hell could they be held responsible for the passage Proposition 8? But they ignored the fact that Mormons contributed at least 40 percent of the cash to the Yes on 8 campaign (possibly as much as 70 percent), and had put in significant non-monetary efforts to the fight to eradicate gay rights.
The Mormon Church said it only donated a meagre $2,000 to fly some church officials to a meeting. This was the biggest lie of all and no doubt the primary impetus behind their lawsuit asking for donor’s information to be kept a secret.
In fact it is now known that, in November 3, 2008, ProtectMarriage.com received a contribution of $30,354.85 from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
So today, the Mormons stand exposed as liars, hypocrites and shameful violators of IRS laws. Bear this in mind the next time Mormons show up on your doorstep, and politely tell them to shove their literature where the sun don’t shine!
The Freethinker was founded in 1881 by GW Foote, an outspoken critic of religion. After the publication of 
January 31st, 2009 at 11:00 am
If it was not for hypocrisy no religion could exist, they are all lying scumbags.
January 31st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Why “politely”?
January 31st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
The morons are following the example of their founder Mr Smith, he was a liar, drunkard and womaniser.
Re politely, above. Telling the morons, jovies etc to F.O. politely has a lot more impact; they are fairly used to having abuse shouted at them.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Last year young Mormons kept trying to waylay me on my way home from the shops. I didn’t tell them to FO. But I did feel like asking why I, a reasonably intelligent adult, should let a kid who’s barely old enough to shave convert me to a religion founded my a semi-literate buffoon. But they’ve gone now. Ah well, maybe they will return.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:22 am
It gets worse. Per the LA Times the church put in more than $180,000 toward the campaign. Their hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
February 1st, 2009 at 8:34 am
The Mormon Church is a useful foil to Christians who claim that Christianity couldn’t have taken off had it not been true. The Mormon Church now has a vast number of followers despite the fact that it started up recently enough for it’s History of fraud, plaguarism and absurdities to be thouroughly documented.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 am
The Mormon Church is a useful foil to Christians who claim that Christianity couldn’t have taken off had it not been true….
Then there’s that other religion that was simply pulled out of somebody’s backside; Scientology. It caters more to the rich and famous, but it’s just as absurd and very much a cult.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Aren’t you guys supposed to be “free-thinkers”? Slander, bigotry, and hatred against a religion is not my idea of “free-thinking”. Try using a little understanding and kindness once in a while and it will do wonders for your ability to think freely. I don’t have a problem with people being against organized religion, but I do have a problem with people who demonize those who believe differently than themselves and treat them with disrespect and hatred. This attitude can sow the bitter seeds of tyranny and oppression. You risk becoming the very thing that you wrongly accuse the Mormons of. You accuse religious people like me of being bigoted, hypocritical, and full of hate, when I see those things as being anathema to all that I am and strive to be. It seems to me that this kind of philosophy of yours is negative in the extreme and fails to see the good in others or even in the world in general. Your attitude, at least from what I see from this article and the responses, to me, appears to be an enslaving philosophy, which severely limits ones scope of vision to exclude all that which doesn’t fit one’s pre-determined focus on all the negative regarding religion by willingly choosing to ignore anything which reflects in any way positive on religion, or on religious adherents. A true “free-thinker”, in my book, is one who is open to the opinions of others, respects the beliefs of others, and yet remains free to hold his or her own beliefs without feeling threatened or intimidated by the beliefs of others. This is how I strive to be, and though both religious and non-religious people can be this way, I am saddened by those of any belief system, be it religous or non-religious, who fail to respect the beliefs of others. They threaten the free flow of ideas and the ability to have intelligent and meaningful discourse. Regarding the gay marriage issue, one thing which the opposers of proposition 8 can’t seem to get through their heads is that one can support Prop 8 and still be an advocate of gay rights: Gays do, can and should have many or most of the rights of heterosexual couples through civil unions – we are just asking to have the word marriage reserved for heterosexual unions of 1 man and 1 woman. Those who are gay can and should be treated with the same respect as all other human beings. All I see from the left on this issue is “attack, condemn, demonize those who oppose them”, and I’m sure that that’s all the responses I’ll get from this posting, though I’ll never know because I don’t plan on returning to this site again. I just wanted to post this one message here because I thought that as “free thinkers”, you deserve to hear an opinion from the “other side”, and in the hopes that it might spur you to use more moderation and thoughtfulness in your postings. I’m not asking you to accept any kind of religion, just that you will try to show some respect towards those who believe differently than you.
February 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am
paa,
You obviously don’t know what a freethinker is. It has nothing to do with respecting your religion or your self-perceived right to put your religious beliefs above the rights and needs of others. A freethinker is a person who holds that beliefs should be formed on the basis of reason and logic rather than dogma, authority and “tradition”.
one can support Prop 8 and still be an advocate of gay rights
No you can’t. If you don’t support the right of same-sex couples to marry then you don’t support gay rights. If you don’t support full equality for gay people then you are not an advocate of gay rights. Telling gay people to be satisfied with the “gays only union” is not being an advocate for our rights, it’s being a bigot.
I am saddened by those of any belief system, be it religous or non-religious, who fail to respect the beliefs of others.
You don’t respect my rights, and even worked to eradicate them. Why the hell should I respect the “beliefs” you used to do so? If you don’t respect human beings how dare you clamor for respect for your “beliefs”?
we are just asking to have the word marriage reserved for heterosexual unions of 1 man and 1 woman
Selfish, aren’t you? Who are you to demand such special rights? You don’t own the term marriage, and marriage has encompassed a wide variety of unions across the span of history and around the world including same-sex unions, polygamy, polyandry and countless other varieties. If you bought the “god ordained marriage between one woman and one man since the beginning of time” garbage that your church fed you then maybe you should do some extracurricular reading. You’re seriously unereducated.
All I see from the left on this issue is “attack, condemn, demonize those who oppose them”
You mean like those constant OMG THE GAYS ARE GOING TO GET YOUR CHILDREN!!! ads we were subjected to by you guys during the campaign? Don’t dare whine to me about attacking, condemning and demonizing. Don’t even try to play the victim. Your hands are dripping with blood.
If you truly strive to be free of bigotry then stop using your religious beliefs as an excuse to deprive others of what you have. You have absolutely no right or authority to do so, and no excuse to play the victim when you’re called on it.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Very well put, Buffy. It’s incredible how people like Paa think they can get away with sneaking their bigotry onto a site like this under the mantle of “tolerance”. Just how stupid are these people? Or, more to the point, just how stupid do they think we are?!
April 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
THIS IS IN THE MORMONS SCRIPTURES CALLED THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE—>
AFRICANS CURSED BLACK & CURSED FROM THE PRIESTHOOD
"..CURSED..to the Priesthood..being of the(BLACK AFRICAN)lineage by which he could not have the right of PRIESTHOOD(Abraham1:26-27)"
24..from(BLACK AFRICAN)Ham,sprang that race which preserved the CURSE in the land(Abraham1:23-24)
"..the LORD shall CURSE the land..A BLACKNESS came upon all the(BLACK AFRICANS)..of Canaan,that they were despised among all people..(Moses7:8)"
"..seed of Cain were BLACK,and had not place among them..(Moses7:22)"
THIS IS IN THE BOOK OF MORMON—>
THE MORMON GOD CURSING PEOPLE WITH DARK BLACK SKIN AS A CURSE The point is the SKIN COLOR IS DARK BLACK & it's A CURSE
"…the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"
"And the skins..were DARK,according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers..which WAS A CURSE upon them…(Book of Mormon,Alma 3:6)"
"and the CURSING which hath come upon their skins…(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)"
LDS MORMON APOSTLE MARK E. PETERSON SAID LAMANITES & NEGROES HAVE THE SAME CURSE OF BLACK SKIN
"Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them….The Lord segregated the people … At least in the cases of the LAMANITES and the NEGROES we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a CURSE … Race Problems–As They Affect The Church
by Mark E. Petersen 1954: Page 14
May 5th, 2009 at 1:57 am
I am a Mormon. Everything I am reading is the truth. I witnessed first hand how they said the Prophet ordered the members to give money. The reason they did it to begin with was they thought other Christians and Religions would except them. The opposite happened. My Bishop was to meet a Pastor for lunch and the Pastor was a no show. Never returned calls zip. I can not begin to tell you the things I have witnessed. They lied to me to get me to join. I don't dare try to get out. They already have done things to my employment and worse. Keep it up. They can only get away with it for so long. Living in fear.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:25 am
For those whom are reading this go to u-tube and write in ' Impeachment o Orrin Harch ' watch and then say why or how come.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
i worked with this girl who is a mormon. the way i found out she was a Mormon i was watching a show and there was a contestant that was on the show and he was a mormon i told her about it she said she was one to i liked they they were with there wife's. they do everything for there wifes . they girls waited till they got married to have sex that was really wonderful to me. She invited me to the church i felt as if i was in school all over again you attend classes and when your visiting your called and investigator not a visit er that was really weird as well.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
They keep saying the church is true they get really offended if you ask if they are Christian's. they are nice fake they are only nice when they want you to join there church. BUT LET ME get to the point why i stopped going was because the girl i worked with started talking to a married man and they are big on marriages they don't condone divorce yet she taking to a married man but she doesn't watch scary movies drink coffee but you can sit there talk to a married man i don't get it i shouldn't have based my feelings on that but man she is being a slut and not showing what her church is really about not proving people wrong i think.
October 5th, 2009 at 2:04 am
ok, first of all. we were NEVER intimidated into giving money to prop 8. Its just what we all felt was right to do, now i know that most of you arent familiar with that term… but hey, thats what we are, good people. wanting to do whats right. Plus, i have to say, when i read this i had to chuckle at how false it all was.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:28 am
So, you stopped going to an entire church because of one person?
October 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
i honestly wonder how any of you think you have to right to treat people this way simply because they hold different beliefs to yourselves.
at least have the decency to respect they live their way and you live theirs.
and if they dont show you the respect you deserve, then still show them theirs; doesnt that make you the better person and give you a one up on them?
i am a mormon, and i have two best friends. one is an inactive mormon and no longer attends or practices church, and the other has never been a mormon and certainly does not practice any of our commandments. i on the other hand am an active and happy mormon and will continue to be so despite any persecution i might have to endure.
surely if it is possible for us three people to love each other despite our incredibly different circumstances in our beliefs, it is possible for other people to give the same curteousy.
its a shame that it has to come to sites like these where people feel the need to display the hatred they feel towards something that they do not understand.
October 16th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
the mormon church is the bigger dirty in 21 century
October 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Atheism has accomplished comparatively little for humanity.
In contrast- despite their many admitted problems- religions have lifted humanoity immensely and been a NETT BENEFIT.
Yes- admittedly there are the lunatics who find refuge in anything-goes-USA and the savage extremism of indoctrinated village peasants whose lives are so desperate death becomes attractive- yet Islam and Christianity has created the very construct of free-a argument you atheists borrow in order to propagate the very structure of Atheist argument. Without a Chirstian-conceived education, in a society founded on the principles of Protestant Humanism and Freemasonry- Mr Foote would not have the acuity to argue the case for Atheism. argument of a no-god.
Christianity has created the concept of humanism and its most illustration incarnation- Medicine Sans Frontieres, UNWHO, UNICEF, UNESCO etc.
Islam has taught generations of children forbidden by white Protestant colonials to read, write, think and fight for their independence. Without religion- would their be a Taj Mahal, Haga Sofia, Blue Mosque of Iraq, Rajasthan and Agra brilliant architectural wonders- a St. Paul's, a St Peters, Our Lady's Church of Munich?
What of the Buddhists and the Hindu's huge contribution to mathematics and astronomy- all for the purpose of worship? What of Borobhudur, Prambanan, Angkor Wat, Padagon
One is yet to see atheists in their droves digging canals for irrigation in Africa, pipes for clean water in Bangladesh or as brave Jesuits dying in a colonial Indonesia to teach the dirty brown ingrate natives to read and write the langauge of their oppressors.
Count the atheist orphanages? How few they are. Even the concept of unemployment welfare, social security an public health are Catholic socialist argument as old as the brilliant Thomas Aquinas.
Summarily- atheism remains a notable non-contributor to charity, charitable causes and the alleviation of the suffering of their fellow human, seconded only by their beloved bed partner- the greedy, corrupt and depraved Ashkenazim of Zionist-Fascist Israel.
Will there ever be an atheist Mother Theresa? I very much doubt it. Atheists remain far too smug and self-indulgent. Humility and acknowledgment of one's own insignificance and that the price of born into privilege is selfless charity is what all religions teach.
It is a lesson atheists would be wise to learn well.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Hear hear, Purba Negoro.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Listen, guys. I’m a Mormon. I live in Washington State, in the US. In my county, a bill was proposed this last voting cycle to legalize gay marriage. I voted “YES”. The essence of Christianity is acceptance of others AS THEY ARE. Loving them no matter what. “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is a bunch of bullshit. I see no reason to deny somebody else a right that I have simply because of a difference that they aren’t responsible for. I have made my position known in my local congregation, and nobody has treated me any worse for it. Just because some members of the church are shortsighted idiots, following the leaders like blind fucking SHEEP, doesn’t mean that all of us are that way. Just something to keep in mind.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
PS: Yes, Kevin Sinclair is my real name. If you want to TALK (not flame-war, not insult, but TALK), you can contact me at ihazaflayvur@gmail.com
November 16th, 2009 at 2:30 am
Kevin Sinclair does not sound like a member of the LDS church. He sounds more like an idiot by claiming to be mormon, yet cursing and talking down about the leaders of the church. If you are a member, you should certainly consider acting more like one. We are supposed to be setting the example, not looking like hypocrites. Think about what you represent.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:00 am
The funny thing is most mormons don’t even know the history of their own church!! The lies, the adultry, the scams that went on in the early church! Joseph Smith was a charleton at best, a womanizer who deceived his own wife to have extramarital affairs. Why would anyone buy into a religion with this past history is a mystery to me.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:10 am
Kevin you are possibly the first and only mormon that would defend the rights of others in your own congregation, I have met others that have done the same. However this isnt the rule but the exception. I am sure you will be called to account for your position and possibly excommuicated for it. Mormon’s don’t like it when you speak your mind when it is against the popular thinking, it’s not about free thought in your church it’s about towing the line and you know it. The thought is always a collective one not an individual one. The truely sad thing is what they do to members and their families when they choose to buck the system of thought. Chastise and divide family members of those who decide it’s not for them. What good christian church would do that??
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:22 am
Ok, I am a Mormon. I was born into the church and I’ve been attacked my entire life for it. I don’t see why all of you can’t just let me believe what I know to be true. Have we attacked you? No. Have we fought for our beliefs such as marriage should be between a man and a women? Yes we have. We backed what we believed in just as our founding fathers did, and just as everyone does today. Fact is if I wasn’t a Mormon and backed the anti-gay movement you wouldn’t care nearly as much. For whatever reason your hate is generated becasue I am a Mormon. And no free thinkers are advance makers who move into the future determining what is truth through fact, not slander. If you would give the church a chance and actually examine the doctrines with an open mind then you would see it is a good thing. I’m not saying be converted. I’m saying don’t disown it until you at least know where we’re coming from.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:24 am
JJ, umm, your founding fathers belived in marriage between one man and one woman, NOOO, they surely didn’t. You need to do some research. Joeseph and co. had many wives, not just one. Look at logic, if the premise is wrong the whole idea falls away. Your church may have twisted and turned along the way, but that doesn’t excuse the past. Remember your church claims to be the living apostles from Christ’s originals ones. How could they have made so many mistakes?? I don’t doubt you do what you belive to be “true” and stand behind what is being told to you. Do you remember the passages that also claimed black people were cursed by GOD or was that a simple convienence swept under the rug. NOt even to mention the many false accounts of peoples living in the Americas that have NO proof what so ever. Even if you belive that your religion is the one and true one, there are so many others that claim the same. Magical thinking is a thing of the past and your founders did just that, using magic stones to interpret writings that were founded to be false. Yes you have attacked the very people who are fighting for their rights based on lies and false beliefs. You have no cornerstone on what is true as no religion based on just beliefs do. What makes your religion so different than any other, besides what you believe. And belief is what it is, not based in fact.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Truth, your doctrines are not truth look at the research!!
November 24th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I am a California native living in Utah and am amazed at the insanity of this religion. I think that Mormons are nice people and mean well but the brain-washing is insane!! I am an avid supporter of Equal Rights and have spent countless hours marching around the Utah Temples to support the No on H8 movement. I do not agree that the Mormans are the sole reason for ‘Yes on 8′ passing but I believe they had a large influence…Even if their ‘voices’ (or dollars) were traveling hundreds of miles to reach the ears of voters.
And for all the Mormans on here that are complaining of being given a hard time for your religion, weren’t your ‘Magic Underwear’ supposed to protect you from all that hatred?
November 26th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Purba, you are correct there have been good things to come out of people of faith. However, when the same beliefs are used to slaughter others throughout history and continues today and will continue tomorrow there is no justification in such acts of inhumanity. Name me one freethinker or atheist that have strapped on a bomb or flown airplanes into buildings or called for a jihad on the infidels??? The concept of my God is better than your God is what continues these atrocities across the globe, not to mention the religious bigotry from believing they have the cornerstone on the True religion and every other is false. As long as people use God and religion to kill innocent people and justify racism, I want no part of it.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Aren’t you guys supposed to be “free-thinkers”? Slander, bigotry, and hatred against a religion is not my idea of “free-thinking”
are you serious….
I think Christopher Hitchins sums it up better than I,
but you are going to have to visit youtube for that…
I would sit down whilst he reads the FACTS
December 14th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Christopher Hitchins in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD0B-X9LJjs
December 14th, 2009 at 5:09 am
One has to wonder what exactly the world thinks of Mormonism..
which is reflected in RD’s comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5EaGy8nRM
need I say more…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Umm, yes a world religion based on myths and untruths, proven to be a fictional tale by it’s founder cannot be taken as serious, can it?? Hatred, NO, Slander, well maybe, Mormons have used their power of postion to gain inroads to our politics so it is open season as far as I can see. Either you back up your facts or we have the right to dispute them as well. The book endorses polygamy as well as racism, these two facts have been well documented.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Got to hand it to them however, at least they include female into their religion!! The rest do not, father, son and holy spirt. Ummm, how in the world could this exist in the natural world. Last I looked I had a mother AND a father./If the Christian Religions isn’t patriarchial at best, maybe I missed something??
December 24th, 2009 at 12:56 am
The biggest liar and asshole I know is that pathetic cry baby Glenn Beck and he’s a Mormon/moron.
January 3rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I feel sorry for any person of faith, regardless of their faith, if they have never exposed themselves to the teachings of other faiths or even the thought that perhaps there is no god.
That is free-thinking.
It’s no coincidence that 99% of all religious people believe in the faith they were born into.
Talk about being ignorant!
P.S. Of all the religions I have researched, the LDS are the most cult-like, apart from Scientology.
January 6th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Wow get a life!
January 9th, 2010 at 6:58 am
LOl Earl, we have a life, an authentic one, maybe you have a hand me down one??
March 10th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Now that we have Family Tree DNA autosomal analysis
to give us a reasonable `picture` of our geographical
Genetic Genealogy. Would some proud member of The
Brigham Young family please step forward and offer
their DNA for analysis?
We could then laugh our sox off as we saw that
Brother Brigham could well have a Sub-Saharan DNA
Admixture. He who hated the Negro.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Yes, and hated women as well. At least as equals, loved them for his own purposes, like hmmmmm….