Comments on: Stop masturbating – be a jerk for Jesus instead

By: Social Worker

Social Worker — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:22:42 +0000

I work in Mental health and stumbled across this discussion and am horrified when i read how people can believe that abuse makes people homosexual or that some phantom being created all things pretty. Well then did this phantom being create paedophiles, murderers, abusers, rapists and allow them to get away with what they do? yes he did. If Jesus were alive now he would be Sectioned, do you not think i hear stories every day about the second coming? Religion screws up peoples lives more than it adds fulfillment, striving for what…to be put in a perfect place when the world chews you up and spits you out. If it’ so nice why don’t we get postcards from there and how can it be proved, simply it can’t. Evolution and science always made more sense to me, karma and the balance of the universe, good and bad. But i will tell you i am a sexually fulfilled female, i masturbate regularly, i enjoy anal, oral and vaginal sex and do not consider myself as bad or going to a bad place. Because if i am going to a bad place at least i will be with my friends and know i will have lived life to the full, experienced utmost pleasure at my own hands and many others. I do not appreciate narrow minded people. i appreciate we all need different ways of living our lives but passing comment on peoples preferences is bad and for that God should punish you if he so exists. Im a realist not a fantasist, i see people disturbed by visions of the devil, god punishing them etc… Wake up and smell the real world!!

By: Jeshurun

Jeshurun — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:59:07 +0000

Oh come on, my desire was only to make you think a bit simpler and beyond what you have heard from others. Yes it takes faith to believe in God. But be honest with yourself, do you really think the world came into being through an explosion?? or JUST happened to be? The beauty we have in this universe. the power of relationships, the ability to think, ability to make decisions, we arent just animals Barry Duke although they are quite magnificent as well. We have the ability to see what is right and wrong and make decisions out of that, unlike animals. My friend i hope that when you seek truth you will find it. Not according to what i have said or any other human but undeniable truth. That you were given a heart, a magnificent mind, and a soul. Yes you were formed in your mothers womb by your fathers seed but your qualities, your passions, your joys, your strenghts and weakness, your character, the way you are with others, thas you, unique and different from anybody else in this world. Tahts not just by chance. Bless you brother

By: Barry Duke

Barry Duke — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:50:49 +0000

Jeshurun, here I must terminate this conversation. Anyone who can state as a “fact” that “Yes God has shown himself in many ways throught history, for example his son Jesus, who was resurrected from the dead. There are also several miracles recorded …” is clearly delusional, and I cannot waste any more time debated with someone who is deluded to the extent that you clearly are. Sorry. Goodbye.

By: Jeshurun

Jeshurun — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:24:13 +0000

sorry i meant to say i think it DOES make a difference to the relationship.

By: Jeshurun

Jeshurun — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:22:43 +0000

Motorbike? Awesome, i have one too. If you are into riding i would suggest driving in the Himalayas, on a motorcycle it is astonishing and a wonderful experience.
Anyways, back to the subject. Dont you think its a bit narrow minded to say that something is simply there. Whether or not one knows about something doesnt mean it wasnt created. Like your bike and mac, the world was created, or lets say came into being. And i think it doesnt make a difference to the relationship we have with each. If i do not how to ride a bike properly or change gears, i would be a bit scared riding it. Likewise i take care of my motorcycle because i know it needs servicing or whatever in order to keep running. Otherwise if i didnt i would simply drive it until it broke down and therefore limit its potential.
If you say no set of moral standards is better than the other, there would be no sense in preferring western civil morality to say Nazi morality. However if you do say one is better or worse, you are measuring and comparing them to an ultimate standard. Without God there is no basis for morality. For morality to have a purpose there must be a point to it all.
You are right that some of the poorest countries are also the most religious ones. But let me point out USSR to you. They tried to build a government solely on atheist views and look what happened. There is such a high rate of poverty, lawslessness, crime, unemployment, broken families etc.
Yes God has shown himself in many ways throught history, for example his son Jesus, who was resurrected from the dead. There are also several miracles recorded, like cured diseases, people brought to life after being dead for several days and so on. And even if you do not agree with these manifestations that doesnt mean you can deny God.

By: Barry Duke

Barry Duke — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:52:58 +0000

Jeshuran, one (of many subjects) that I have no knowledge of is physics, so I have no idea how the world was created. I have also very little knowledge of engineering or computer science, so equally I do not how how my motorcycle or my iMac works. But what I do know is that the world, like my bike and my Mac are simply there, and they work â€“ (sometimes well, sometimes not) â€“ despite my not knowing how. Knowing how they work may make me more knowledgeable, but in no way will it affect my relationship with these objects. It simply does not matter.

Where did reason come from? That’s easy. Reason is a consequence of the human evolutionary process.The development of reasoning (or a sort) equally applies to animals, again through the evolutionary process.

“How is it possible that humans have different views on what is right or wrong, good or evil?” That, I would say, was simply the result of different societies evolving in different ways. Those with the highest regard for morality, ethical behaviour and a willingness to care for the weakest members of their society are those with the lowest attachment to belief in god/gods. It is no coincidence that the poorest countries in the world, which also have the highest rate of human rights abuses, are also the most religious.

Finally, you suggest that “truth” can only be gained through god. As no gods have ever manifested themselves or spoken in the entire history of humankind, we have to assume that they simply do not exist, which makes your use of the word “truth” in relation to god utterly meaningless.

By: Jeshurun

Jeshurun — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:13:30 +0000

Barry, you are, how to say well informed on this subject and perhaps many others as well, thats awesome. You say you are a rational thinker? Perhaps you are. How do you think the world was created? Where do you think reason came from, how are humans able to reason. I grew up in India for 18 years, and they have a complete different view on human rights. How is it possible that humans have different views on what is right or wrong, good or evil? How can we reason truth, when it is only relative without God? And if it is relative, then is not truth.

By: Barry Duke

Barry Duke — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:59:12 +0000

Jeshurun, your knowledge of human sexuality is even more lamentable than I originally thought. Sure, a penis goes into a vagina. It also regularly enters an anus (anal sex is regularly practised by millions of heterosexuals in every culture as a form of birth-control â€“ or simply for fun); it enters a mouth (again, millions opt for oral recreational sex â€“ and there are few things in the world that can beat the pleasure of a blow job); it enters things like watermelons, and objects that simulate vaginas, assholes and mouths (the sex toy industry in which I work is worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year); and, of course, it naturally fits in the palm of one’s hand.

You then use the word “sadly” to describe gay people, and suggest that homosexuality might be the result of childhood abuse. No, no no! Homosexuality occurs regularly in every society at the rate of about one in ten, and every reputable study has shown that people who are gay are genetically disposed to be that way. How else would you explain the existence of gay twins? What is sad is that religion â€“ Christianity and Islam in particular â€“ chooses to demonise and persecute homosexuals, whom, it could be argued, are created by nature to protect the planet from over-population, and to provide support â€“ in health care, child care and the emergency services, for example â€“ for a mainly heterosexual clientele. How many more mouths we we have to feed if 10 percent of the earth’s population were suddenly to start breeding?

Who defines human rights? Humans do, of course, through various conventions and declarations which have evolved over the centuries. But religion remains the single biggest obstacle to human rights in many countries of the world â€“ the Islamic one’s being the worst for human rights abuses.

Finally, do I believe in God? Gimme a break. The idea of a god is as ridiculous as it is offensive to anyone with a rational outlook on life, which I like to think I possess.

By: Jeshurun

Jeshurun — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:13:45 +0000

Just because someone is disinterested doesnt mean that its not true. Lets go back to the basics, where a penis goes inside the vagina.
Yes sadly there are some people who are naturally attracted to people of the same sex, but that happens due to several reasons, for example, abuse in early childhood. And besides who defines human rights?
Do you believe in God?

By: Barry Duke

Barry Duke — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:09:00 +0000

Jeshuran, you have an astonishingly narrow view of human sexuality. Biologically, the majority of humankind is programmed to use sex for procreation, but excludes those who are either disinterested in procreation, or are naturally attracted to people of their own sex.

You say “Sex was created for two humanâ€™s to enjoy together” but there is nothing wrong with three or more people engaging in recreational sex.

By suggesting that sex can only take place between “a man or a woman” you are saying there is something flawed about people of the same gender to enjoy sex. This a denial of a basic human right.