As for her reaction to a priest abusing her, possibly advancing with a lighted taper while she was up to her arse in dry brushwood, I don’t know?

Poor, sad Lily. Utter determination to insist that her crazy beliefs are correct in every respect when even a quarter sane person would see that they cannot be. What goes on in her head? Why is she terrified of entertaining fresh thoughts, new ideas? And yet she has learned to write, she can read and she acheives an element of comprehension. As my old and long deceased Scots grannie might have said, “She is more to be pitied than laughed at.” However, her comments on this site, including her CAPITAL LETTERS hysteria make that unlikely.

Earlier this year, a woman in Australia gave birth to a baby girl that she had carried to term inside her ovary. The only reason the pregnancy hadn’t been aborted was that the condition was not discovered until her doctor did a c-section and went, “Holy shit. The baby’s in her OVARY.” Reportedly, the woman’s ovary had been stretched so thin you could see the baby’s hair. This woman was INSANELY lucky. And the fact that she and her baby escaped nearly-certain death doesn’t mean we should start refusing women treatment for ectopic pregnancies. (Or have I given you ideas?)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7427907.stm

Another C-section, this time in Mexico. This woman was in labor at home, hours away from medical help and her labor was not progressing. Having lost a previous baby in labor this way. She decided THIS baby was coming out alive or she was going to die trying. She performed a cesarean section on herself with a kitchen knife. Her baby survived and she made a full recovery.

Guess this means we don’t need to keep wasting money on hospital c-sections, huh? (hint: no)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....m%C3%ADrez

Not bully, more like ‘Wind up’, Not sure if it worked though!

As my final word I just wanna say, Thank jebus that the people who had any influence in this case i.e., the girls mother and the Doctors had the good sense to go ahead with the abortion, it shows that when the chips are down nobody really gives a flying fuck what the catholic church has to say, but it sure is fun to argue about it!

Lily, that “Bloody Hell” is gonna cost you at confession, what’s the going rate these days, still 3 Hail Mary’s and 4 our fathers?

Keep taking the tablets.

The youngest person ever to give birth was a five-year-old girl in Peru in 1938. She survived and went on to have another child as an adult. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngest_mother

You know what that was, and your 10-year-old Cincinnati girl is? A freak occurrence. They got lucky. No, lucky is an understatement. They won the freaking lottery. Just because it has happened does not mean it’s reasonable to expect it to happen, any more than it would be reasonable for me to quit my job and put a down payment on a mansion just because I bought a lottery ticket. Hey, people win the lottery all the time, right?

If I did quit my job, you would rightly think I was batshit insane. And that’s just money that I would be playing with. We are talking about a little girl’s LIFE. It quite simply is not worth the risk. Not for one fetus, not for two, not for a hundred. The needs of the people who are ALREADY HERE are more important.

I know, Barry, another house-point lost; heading for the naughty step now.

When have I ever expressed anything even remotely suggesting that women who have abortions are evil? They are not. Most of them are victims. It is quite a coup for society (aka men) to have succeeded in turning women against their own flesh and blood. Do you think it an accident that the most fervent supporters of abortion are men between 18-44? Why do you think that is?

While I have no particular maternal feelings, I do recognize that when any class of human can be disposed of like a used kleenex, we are all in danger. That is why the US constitution calls the right to life “inviolable”. It undergirds and guarantees all our other human rights which are meaningless, if we don’t have the right to life. Abortion, infanticide, assisted suicide, euthanasia– just exactly who is safe when the young, the elderly, and the mentally and physically handicapped are not?

No woman needs to raise a child she is unable to care for. There are long lists of couples waiting for children in the US. That includes 5+ year-long waiting lists for handicapped infants. That last has probably shrunk considerably, since we have nearly aborted Down syndrome infants out of existence.

While I do not take the inconvenience of an unwanted pregnancy lightly, those 9 months pale in comparison to deliberate killing of a human being. And it is “inconvenience” the drives the vast majority of abortions. Guttmacher (the research arm of Planned Parenthood) reports the following world-wide “reason for abortion” stats which I believe are the most recent:

# Wants to postpone childbearing: 25.5%
# Wants no (more) children: 7.9%
# Cannot afford a baby: 21.3%
# Having a child will disrupt education or job: 10.8%
# Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy: 14.1%
# Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy: 12.2%
# Risk to maternal health: 2.8%
# Risk to fetal health: 3.3%
# Other: 2.1%

The numbers tell the story, don’t they?

In short, there are people in the world who need your love, young and old, more than an fetus. Just look down your street at the homeless, the disposessed, the elderly alone in crumbling homes and children living under abuse and violence. They are ALIVE, they need your help and concern.

LOL! That was one of the most subtle insults I have ever had hurled at me. Beautifully delivered! But guess what? It fails utterly. I do work with them those people “down the street”. I give, as do vast numbers of other Christians, serious amounts of money to charities that work with people in need of all sorts. I, personally, work with a group that prepares women in prison for successful reentry into society and the workforce. I also support a group that cares for the children of women in prison– houses them, educates them, brings them on visits to their mothers provides ongoing medical care, wonderful recreational opportunities for them with not one penny from the government. It is all from donations from, you guessed it, Christians. You may conclude from this, by the way, that the plight of vulnerable women and children is very near to my heart.

I still utterly reject the hell-born notion that killing infants in the womb has any redeeming value at all. It is, on rare occasions, a painful necessity.

And finally:

NO ONE; NO ONE is condemning the child! Soemtimes I think you pro-death people are out of your minds. No 9 year old can consent to an abortion. Even if she knew what it is, she could not consent to it meaningfully. By the same token, what 9 year old could stand up to her mother and the doctors, i.e. the “authority figures,” and refuse one?

Can there be anything more to be said?

Listen, I know you’re probably feeling an instinctive maternal urge, whenever babies and children are involved I feel the same. However, the feelings are misplaced. You are speaking generally about abortion, I get it, but ultimately how we may feel is not backed up by science. I understand how you feel, really I do, but you must understand. These are not babies, they will be one day, but they aren’t here and now.
I still feel uncomfortable with abortion, partly because of my catholic ‘education’ and mainly because I find it hard to separate the cluster of cells and developing organs with the smiling giggling tiny adorable humans that run around and smear poop on their toys (Dog bless ‘em). But in reality; they are separate. One is a process, the other is alive.

The ones who really need your concern are living children, thinking, breathing, feeling, like this poor girl who not only has to live with the events of being raped by a man she thought she could trust as a father-figure, but now has to face condemnation from the authorities she thought she could turn to.
No one should be forced or just wonder into childrearing, it is not a light undertaking. Children need to be raised in safety, security and love. Having a baby was overwhelming for me, an educated woman in her early twenties, but can you imagine how it was for her?
I don’t regret having my baby, it was right, appropriate and I love her more my own life. Perhaps I would have regreted an abortion, but would it not be better to resent oneself than an innocent baby?

I’m pleading that you think long and hard about these women who have abortions, they aren’t evil, they aren’t uncaring. They aren’t always the victims of rape, but know they’ll never be able to raise a child. Isn’t it better they discontinue a pregnancy and not then treat a human being, complete with a brain and working nervous system, like a nuisence?
In short, there are people in the world who need your love, young and old, more than an fetus. Just look down your street at the homeless, the disposessed, the elderly alone in crumbling homes and children living under abuse and violence. They are ALIVE, they need your help and concern.

I probably will come across as uncaring to an embryo, but if was the choice between a scared, traumatised young girl and a group of vaguely human shaped organs, then I know who I’d rather help.