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	<title>Comments on: â€˜We did not know that child abuse was a crime,&#8217; says retired Catholic archbishop</title>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 01:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Catholic church preaches against abortion (next generation to abuse and steal from)when history has proven babies born in religious institutions between the nuns and priests were killed. I suppose they didn&#039;t know that was a crime either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Catholic church preaches against abortion (next generation to abuse and steal from)when history has proven babies born in religious institutions between the nuns and priests were killed. I suppose they didn&#8217;t know that was a crime either.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 13:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire Catholic Church is ONE organization and they ALL knew what was going on but instead chose to act like a WHOREHOUSE and try and get away with having their carnal pleasures and appearing moral on the outside. Now the Head of this MORALLY BANKRUPT organization has been shown also to be involved in covering up pediphiles for years.

Catholic leaders soon will be seen as amongst the most corrupt people on earth alongside their Muslim bomb blasting Mullas who incite murder.

This is the age of FREEDOM FROM CLERGY. Why do we need to think through another person&#039;s mind instead of our own or listen to a Catholic priest or Mulla when we can investigate reality using Google and our own mind? We DON&#039;T NEED PRIESTS AND MULLAS ANYMORE. Get rid of these corrupt parasites and pediphiles ONCE and for all and let&#039;s use our own brain and think and learn for ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Catholic Church is ONE organization and they ALL knew what was going on but instead chose to act like a WHOREHOUSE and try and get away with having their carnal pleasures and appearing moral on the outside. Now the Head of this MORALLY BANKRUPT organization has been shown also to be involved in covering up pediphiles for years.</p>
<p>Catholic leaders soon will be seen as amongst the most corrupt people on earth alongside their Muslim bomb blasting Mullas who incite murder.</p>
<p>This is the age of FREEDOM FROM CLERGY. Why do we need to think through another person&#8217;s mind instead of our own or listen to a Catholic priest or Mulla when we can investigate reality using Google and our own mind? We DON&#8217;T NEED PRIESTS AND MULLAS ANYMORE. Get rid of these corrupt parasites and pediphiles ONCE and for all and let&#8217;s use our own brain and think and learn for ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Giselle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giselle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, 

I second the call for cites showing your statistics.  They&#039;d best be from some reputable source, and not someone&#039;s blog, some conservative talk show asshat, or the like.  Real studies, comprised of real figures, compiled by professionals who have no axe to grind.  

There isn&#039;t a single profession on the planet that does not have its share of child molesters, rapists, perverts or what have you.  Why don&#039;t you cite politicians?  Or doctors?  Or 

You just sound like someone with an axe to grind.

What you&#039;re conveniently overlooking in your zeal to tar and feather everyone whom you think is in an authority position (and I&#039;ll almost guarantee you&#039;re a stoner type who couldn&#039;t hack it in school, btw) is this:

The Catholic priests take a vow of celibacy as a qualification to be a religious leader.

The Catholic Church has absolutely refused to change this policy despite strong pressure from the American Catholics, in particular, to do so.  Ostensibly, any priest wishing to break this vow is asked to leave the priesthood.

Therefore, *ostensibly*, the Catholic Church is governing itself and requiring a standard of sexual purity from its priests.

INSTEAD, what this information shows is that the Church is not only not forcing its representatives to go by the stated rules, it has *also* been involved in a coverup of crime for *at least* decades, if not far longer.

Name me one school, police department or fire department who has engaged in that scale of a coverup for that long, and I&#039;ll spot you $20.  Answer:  You can&#039;t.  You also overlook every time that when those individuals get caught, they have paid the penalty for their crimes and lost their profession as well.

In the case of the Catholic Church, the Church is not aware of the crimes, but is aiding and abetting criminals by relocating them and instituting a policy to help them cover their tracks...all the while promoting the image of the priests as trustworthy counselors and representatives of the faith.

See the difference?  No, didn&#039;t think you could.  But it&#039;s there, anyway.

And IMO, I hope this SOB and all his ilk are hung for eternity by whatever body part will hurt them the most.  Claiming he didn&#039;t know it was wrong...give me a break!

But I did laugh at the &#039;Rock of St. Peter&#039; comment.  Good one. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, </p>
<p>I second the call for cites showing your statistics.  They&#8217;d best be from some reputable source, and not someone&#8217;s blog, some conservative talk show asshat, or the like.  Real studies, comprised of real figures, compiled by professionals who have no axe to grind.  </p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a single profession on the planet that does not have its share of child molesters, rapists, perverts or what have you.  Why don&#8217;t you cite politicians?  Or doctors?  Or </p>
<p>You just sound like someone with an axe to grind.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re conveniently overlooking in your zeal to tar and feather everyone whom you think is in an authority position (and I&#8217;ll almost guarantee you&#8217;re a stoner type who couldn&#8217;t hack it in school, btw) is this:</p>
<p>The Catholic priests take a vow of celibacy as a qualification to be a religious leader.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church has absolutely refused to change this policy despite strong pressure from the American Catholics, in particular, to do so.  Ostensibly, any priest wishing to break this vow is asked to leave the priesthood.</p>
<p>Therefore, *ostensibly*, the Catholic Church is governing itself and requiring a standard of sexual purity from its priests.</p>
<p>INSTEAD, what this information shows is that the Church is not only not forcing its representatives to go by the stated rules, it has *also* been involved in a coverup of crime for *at least* decades, if not far longer.</p>
<p>Name me one school, police department or fire department who has engaged in that scale of a coverup for that long, and I&#8217;ll spot you $20.  Answer:  You can&#8217;t.  You also overlook every time that when those individuals get caught, they have paid the penalty for their crimes and lost their profession as well.</p>
<p>In the case of the Catholic Church, the Church is not aware of the crimes, but is aiding and abetting criminals by relocating them and instituting a policy to help them cover their tracks&#8230;all the while promoting the image of the priests as trustworthy counselors and representatives of the faith.</p>
<p>See the difference?  No, didn&#8217;t think you could.  But it&#8217;s there, anyway.</p>
<p>And IMO, I hope this SOB and all his ilk are hung for eternity by whatever body part will hurt them the most.  Claiming he didn&#8217;t know it was wrong&#8230;give me a break!</p>
<p>But I did laugh at the &#8216;Rock of St. Peter&#8217; comment.  Good one. <img src='http://freethinker.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a survivor of catholic school atrocities myself, all I can say is they will be judged by the God they claimed to represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a survivor of catholic school atrocities myself, all I can say is they will be judged by the God they claimed to represent.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael </title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto </description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh yes it does </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh yes it does</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>went to catholic lectures adelaide south australia  mon aitken regularly  playing with zipper in front of everyone  i said to women do you see it  her reply yes  but  it&#039;s not my job to tell him not too  just a small taste of  life in the church  can not  recommend church to anyone  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>went to catholic lectures adelaide south australia  mon aitken regularly  playing with zipper in front of everyone  i said to women do you see it  her reply yes  but  it&#039;s not my job to tell him not too  just a small taste of  life in the church  can not  recommend church to anyone</p>
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		<title>By: farmgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>farmgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An agnostic in training, I am shocked and saddened by the anger and vitriol contained in the preceding posts.  A Christian institution &#039;survivor&#039; I have little understanding of the anger that is being directed at Christianity.  As a counselor of sexual offenders, I wholly understand the revulsion  towards the abuse of our children. 
However, it is the likely truth that the former Archbishop did not understand that the moral evil he cites was a criminal act as no such understanding existed in law until recently.  This is a shameful reflection on society as a whole, and cannot be dumped solely on the front steps of the catholic church or upon xtian institutions. 
 
Canadian law held some protection as early as 1890 for female children under the age of 12, and only in regards to sexual intercourse.  Although the protection for female children was strengthened in 1978, it was not until the introduction of Bill C-15, in 1988 that protection was extended to boys and that other forms of sexual exploitation and touching were included.  Shameful, yes.  Does the blame though lie with the Catholic church, or the aforementioned, disgraced Father? 
 
A history of the more generalized abuse of children, as is referred to above, is no more enlightened.   
 
The following link outlines some of Canada&#039;s history in terms of laws protecting children from sexual abuse.:  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb993-e.htm#A.%20Early%20Criminal%20Code%20Offences(txt)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
For a more general discussion of child abuse history, this article was excellent: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://members.shaw.ca/pdg/the_history_of_child_abuse.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://members.shaw.ca/pdg/the_history_of_child_a...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An agnostic in training, I am shocked and saddened by the anger and vitriol contained in the preceding posts.  A Christian institution &#039;survivor&#039; I have little understanding of the anger that is being directed at Christianity.  As a counselor of sexual offenders, I wholly understand the revulsion  towards the abuse of our children.<br />
However, it is the likely truth that the former Archbishop did not understand that the moral evil he cites was a criminal act as no such understanding existed in law until recently.  This is a shameful reflection on society as a whole, and cannot be dumped solely on the front steps of the catholic church or upon xtian institutions. </p>
<p>Canadian law held some protection as early as 1890 for female children under the age of 12, and only in regards to sexual intercourse.  Although the protection for female children was strengthened in 1978, it was not until the introduction of Bill C-15, in 1988 that protection was extended to boys and that other forms of sexual exploitation and touching were included.  Shameful, yes.  Does the blame though lie with the Catholic church, or the aforementioned, disgraced Father? </p>
<p>A history of the more generalized abuse of children, as is referred to above, is no more enlightened.   </p>
<p>The following link outlines some of Canada&#039;s history in terms of laws protecting children from sexual abuse.:<br />
<a href="http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb993-e.htm#A.%20Early%20Criminal%20Code%20Offences(txt)" target="_blank">http://www.parl.gc.ca/informat.....ubs&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>For a more general discussion of child abuse history, this article was excellent:<br />
<a href="http://members.shaw.ca/pdg/the_history_of_child_abuse.html" target="_blank">http://members.shaw.ca/pdg/the.....d_a&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-06-05 &#171; boblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-06-05 &#171; boblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] â€˜We did not know that child abuse was a crime,â€™ says retired Catholic archbishop YESTERDAY it was the damning report on abuse of children by Catholic institutions in Ireland. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] â€˜We did not know that child abuse was a crime,â€™ says retired Catholic archbishop YESTERDAY it was the damning report on abuse of children by Catholic institutions in Ireland. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David McKeegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David McKeegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly - do you have any evidence for the above claims?  
 
Let&#039;s see it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly &#8211; do you have any evidence for the above claims?  </p>
<p>Let&#039;s see it.</p>
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