Comments on: Muslim ‘educator’ accuses British schools of ‘cultural fascism’ http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/ The voice of atheism since 1881 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:08:53 +0000 hourly 1 By: GNG http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17590 GNG Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:27:55 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17590 "Rather than filling the heads of impressionable boys and girls with fatuous drivel..." He's right of course. This would never happen in an islamic school or in any other faith school, church, synagogue, mosque, temple etc etc Godless not gormless "Rather than filling the heads of impressionable boys and girls with fatuous drivel…"

He's right of course. This would never happen in an islamic school or in any other faith school, church, synagogue, mosque, temple etc etc

Godless not gormless

]]> By: Ian M Laughlin http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17584 Ian M Laughlin Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:43:55 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17584 The Freethinker comments threads are of course, some of the most reasoned on the internet. One thing that hasn't been noted so far however is that the reason for the presence of the "gay penguin" book in primary schools is not just about "teching tolerance" (on the contrary, it is bigotry which must be taught to children, which is why all totalitarian belief systems need to access children at a young age). It is also about the self-esteem for young gay and lesbian people who often realise at a young age that they are different from some of their peers. The "gay penguins" book has come under attack by bigots of various stripes, ranging from the Christian extermists, Islamists, some tiny sects of orthodox Marxist-Leninism and the mealy-mouthed little Englanders of the Maily Dale. I suspect that what irks them is not just that this book promotes the emotional well-being of all children who do not confirm (for whom they care not one jot), but it also relates to the very real prevalence of animal homosexuality, and thus scientifically undermines the basis of religious intolerance. The Freethinker comments threads are of course, some of the most reasoned on the internet. One thing that hasn't been noted so far however is that the reason for the presence of the "gay penguin" book in primary schools is not just about "teching tolerance" (on the contrary, it is bigotry which must be taught to children, which is why all totalitarian belief systems need to access children at a young age). It is also about the self-esteem for young gay and lesbian people who often realise at a young age that they are different from some of their peers. The "gay penguins" book has come under attack by bigots of various stripes, ranging from the Christian extermists, Islamists, some tiny sects of orthodox Marxist-Leninism and the mealy-mouthed little Englanders of the Maily Dale. I suspect that what irks them is not just that this book promotes the emotional well-being of all children who do not confirm (for whom they care not one jot), but it also relates to the very real prevalence of animal homosexuality, and thus scientifically undermines the basis of religious intolerance.

]]> By: Broga http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17574 Broga Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:59:11 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17574 Cameron and Blair are both faith school enthusiasts as is Gordon Brown. Charles Windsor is so crazy that he doesn't stop at faith schools but has moved on to every kind of dotty "alternative" he can conjure up - not for himself, of course. He gets the best medical treatment when he needs it. Elizabeth Windsor said in one Christmas Day bore- in (listened to later thanks to being alerted by Barry Duke) that only religion could solve the problems of the world and that atheists were tight gits. What remains an unexplained mystery is why all these religious types, of all faiths, have been so ready to help themselves to thieving from the public purse via MPs expenses. Couldn't we address this. The only comment I have heard is that this is what happens when we abandon religious - Christian in this case - values. Things will look up when Murph gets into the Lords. So much for modesty, poverty and the poor inheriting the earth ................ Cameron and Blair are both faith school enthusiasts as is Gordon Brown. Charles Windsor is so crazy that he doesn't stop at faith schools but has moved on to every kind of dotty "alternative" he can conjure up – not for himself, of course. He gets the best medical treatment when he needs it. Elizabeth Windsor said in one Christmas Day bore- in (listened to later thanks to being alerted by Barry Duke) that only religion could solve the problems of the world and that atheists were tight gits.

What remains an unexplained mystery is why all these religious types, of all faiths, have been so ready to help themselves to thieving from the public purse via MPs expenses. Couldn't we address this. The only comment I have heard is that this is what happens when we abandon religious – Christian in this case – values. Things will look up when Murph gets into the Lords. So much for modesty, poverty and the poor inheriting the earth …………….

]]> By: Bubblecar http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17550 Bubblecar Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:18:57 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17550 Don asks: "He's conservative, maybe even a bigot, but because he's a moslem that means he should leave the country?" There are bigots amongst all creeds and ethnic groups, but if we're talking here about someone who chose to migrate from an illiberal muslim nation to a liberal Western nation, only to complain about how liberal the West is and seek to change our evil ways, inviting him to "bugger off back home" is a perfectly logical response. Don asks: "He's conservative, maybe even a bigot, but because he's a moslem that means he should leave the country?"

There are bigots amongst all creeds and ethnic groups, but if we're talking here about someone who chose to migrate from an illiberal muslim nation to a liberal Western nation, only to complain about how liberal the West is and seek to change our evil ways, inviting him to "bugger off back home" is a perfectly logical response.

]]> By: Talitha http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17545 Talitha Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:53:14 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17545 We are keeping up with popular culture. It's now a PS3. We are also the only Church that offers a guarantee of Salvation or your money back. We are keeping up with popular culture. It's now a PS3.

We are also the only Church that offers a guarantee of Salvation or your money back.

]]> By: drcancerman http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17544 drcancerman Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:06:04 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17544 Alan C; She comes from the best church ever... It offered you(at the time) an xbox or a PS2 if you converted! Praise Landover church! Alan C;
She comes from the best church ever… It offered you(at the time) an xbox or a PS2 if you converted!

Praise Landover church!

]]> By: Alan C http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17535 Alan C Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:49:12 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17535 #Fancy living your life base on a load of superstitious nonsense. # Quite! Not sure if you're being satirical Talitha? It's hard to tell with fundies. #Fancy living your life base on a load of superstitious nonsense. #

Quite!
Not sure if you're being satirical Talitha?
It's hard to tell with fundies.

]]> By: Serai http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17534 Serai Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:37:52 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17534 Firstly I'd like to say that while I fully support tolerance and acceptance for people of all colours of consenting adult sexual orientation, I do feel that you cannot teach tolerance to those who do not wish to be taught. Therefore I believe it is counter productive to make such lessons mandatory as it just gives the willfully ignorant an excuse to bleat on about the 'liberal' agenda etc etc. I think one point that does need to be raised is that contrary to the headlines of the Mail article quoted, none of the parents are actually being faced with prosecution for withdrawing their children from this one lesson. If you read on you will see it says... "The council has declared that children who missed the lessons will be viewed as truants." Alright so they will be marked as truants for those days, so where's all this court action talk come from then? Well read on and you see... "The ruling means some families could breach rules that children should not be absent for more than 19 days a year. " Ah 'some' families 'could' breach a rule about children being absent for more than 19 days, so in fact it's rather a flimsy construct saying they are facing court action for withdrawing their children from these lessons isn't it? Final point I think parents do have the right to withdraw their children from lessons which they feel are counter to their beliefs. However there are ways to do this without making a song and dance or getting an article in the daily mail! Hint communication, consultation, compromise... Firstly I'd like to say that while I fully support tolerance and acceptance for people of all colours of consenting adult sexual orientation, I do feel that you cannot teach tolerance to those who do not wish to be taught. Therefore I believe it is counter productive to make such lessons mandatory as it just gives the willfully ignorant an excuse to bleat on about the 'liberal' agenda etc etc.

I think one point that does need to be raised is that contrary to the headlines of the Mail article quoted, none of the parents are actually being faced with prosecution for withdrawing their children from this one lesson. If you read on you will see it says…

"The council has declared that children who missed the lessons will be viewed as truants."

Alright so they will be marked as truants for those days, so where's all this court action talk come from then? Well read on and you see…

"The ruling means some families could breach rules that children should not be absent for more than 19 days a year. "

Ah 'some' families 'could' breach a rule about children being absent for more than 19 days, so in fact it's rather a flimsy construct saying they are facing court action for withdrawing their children from these lessons isn't it?

Final point I think parents do have the right to withdraw their children from lessons which they feel are counter to their beliefs. However there are ways to do this without making a song and dance or getting an article in the daily mail! Hint communication, consultation, compromise…

]]> By: Talitha http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17533 Talitha Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:28:43 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17533 Fancy living your life base on a load of superstitious nonsense. They will never get to know Salvation in the afterlife as promised in the teachings of Jesus Christ who died (temporarily) for their Sins. His poor children are going to end up a part of this Moon worshipping Cult just like him. Everybody knows that the United Kingdom is a Christian nation where people live their lives by Christian standards. Fancy living your life base on a load of superstitious nonsense.
They will never get to know Salvation in the afterlife as promised in the teachings of Jesus Christ who died (temporarily) for their Sins.
His poor children are going to end up a part of this Moon worshipping Cult just like him.

Everybody knows that the United Kingdom is a Christian nation where people live their lives by Christian standards.

]]> By: Buffy http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/11/muslim-%e2%80%98educator%e2%80%99-accuses-british-schools-of-%e2%80%98cultural-fascism%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17531 Buffy Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:10:50 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=6693#comment-17531 <i> So why not tolerate parents, who, for sincerely-held reasons, consider their children too young to be taught about gay relationships?</i> They aren't beheading them, hanging them or gluing their anuses shut, which is what Muslims do to gay people. I'd say they're being incredibly tolerant. So why not tolerate parents, who, for sincerely-held reasons, consider their children too young to be taught about gay relationships?

They aren't beheading them, hanging them or gluing their anuses shut, which is what Muslims do to gay people. I'd say they're being incredibly tolerant.

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