Comments on: Christianity is all but dead in Holland, and the C of E heads for extinction in the UK http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/ The voice of atheism since 1881 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:08:53 +0000 hourly 1 By: barry_duke http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-19008 barry_duke Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:22:16 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-19008 Your point is well made, Dostinus. The Fox report was scurrilous, and an absolute disgrace to journalism. Your point is well made, Dostinus. The Fox report was scurrilous, and an absolute disgrace to journalism.

]]> By: Dostinus http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-19006 Dostinus Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:16:02 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-19006 I am Dutch, living in Amsterdam and the Fox-reporter is lying about a lot but in particular the Dutch marriage laws. On 0.35 he said "...gay marriage is also legal, as are marriages with more than two people". In The Netherlands a marriage between more than two people NEVER occurred. It is illegal by Dutch laws and it's rejected by the people. It is a straight lie what this reporter is saying and it shows very clearly how FOX News (Fair and ballanced,...moehahahah) tries to manipulate and indoctrinate the audience, displaying our country as a Sodom and Gomorra. People who have visited The Netherlands and see it with their own eyes often react surpriced cause of the big difference between what the knew and what the experienced themselves. FOX News should be ashamed of themselves. (pardon my poor grammatics, English is not my native language) I am Dutch, living in Amsterdam and the Fox-reporter is lying about a lot but in particular the Dutch marriage laws. On 0.35 he said "…gay marriage is also legal, as are marriages with more than two people". In The Netherlands a marriage between more than two people NEVER occurred. It is illegal by Dutch laws and it's rejected by the people.
It is a straight lie what this reporter is saying and it shows very clearly how FOX News (Fair and ballanced,…moehahahah) tries to manipulate and indoctrinate the audience, displaying our country as a Sodom and Gomorra. People who have visited The Netherlands and see it with their own eyes often react surpriced cause of the big difference between what the knew and what the experienced themselves. FOX News should be ashamed of themselves.
(pardon my poor grammatics, English is not my native language)

]]> By: Har Davids http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18968 Har Davids Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:48:22 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18968 The way the story is told, we're all gay in Holland, spending most of our time in our 'coffee-shops' getting stoned, killing every baby with a slight cold and waiting for a pill to commit mass-suicide. Let me assure the readers who've never been here that's not like that at all. And we may be hypocrites about lots of stuff, we also tend to be more practical or open about certain aspects of life. BTW, it's very hard to become a legal gun-owner here, if that balances things a bit. The way the story is told, we're all gay in Holland, spending most of our time in our 'coffee-shops' getting stoned, killing every baby with a slight cold and waiting for a pill to commit mass-suicide. Let me assure the readers who've never been here that's not like that at all. And we may be hypocrites about lots of stuff, we also tend to be more practical or open about certain aspects of life. BTW, it's very hard to become a legal gun-owner here, if that balances things a bit.

]]> By: Hitch http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18966 Hitch Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:39:34 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18966 This report is completely litigious, to make a connection between the "right to die" laws and a drop in church attendance is simply a cop out for this particular moron accepting that a lot of northern Europe sways quite to the left. Sure the graph may be linear, but so is one between a rise in illegal downloading and a decrease in panda reproduction. The drop in attendance is clearly about questioning religion, something a lot of people now do in Europe, as opposed to the military style religious life some Americans lead. This ended in Europe, specifically the U.K. and France at the end of the sixties. The CofE is a completely different kettle of fish. They've relied on the state for too long, helping them open schools and through funding shortfalls. Its time for England to set them free, into the wild, with all the other sub-sub-sub religions. This report is completely litigious, to make a connection between the "right to die" laws and a drop in church attendance is simply a cop out for this particular moron accepting that a lot of northern Europe sways quite to the left. Sure the graph may be linear, but so is one between a rise in illegal downloading and a decrease in panda reproduction.

The drop in attendance is clearly about questioning religion, something a lot of people now do in Europe, as opposed to the military style religious life some Americans lead. This ended in Europe, specifically the U.K. and France at the end of the sixties.

The CofE is a completely different kettle of fish. They've relied on the state for too long, helping them open schools and through funding shortfalls. Its time for England to set them free, into the wild, with all the other sub-sub-sub religions.

]]> By: Meee http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18965 Meee Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:29:06 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18965 Just out of interest, exactly what happens to the infrastructure of a religion if it no longer has any followers? What happens to the leaders? Say catholicism just... dies. Say literally no one attends the churches any more. What does the Pope do? Even if you acknowledge that it wouldn't happen overnight, and that the church would have to gradually downsize over time, there has to be a point where supporting the pope simply isn't an option. What do they do? Just out of interest, exactly what happens to the infrastructure of a religion if it no longer has any followers? What happens to the leaders?

Say catholicism just… dies. Say literally no one attends the churches any more. What does the Pope do?

Even if you acknowledge that it wouldn't happen overnight, and that the church would have to gradually downsize over time, there has to be a point where supporting the pope simply isn't an option. What do they do?

]]> By: rog http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18964 rog Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:27:46 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18964 SACRE scares me... if the CofE is in terminal decline, should it have pride of place and the loudest voice in deciding what morals and 'dispositions' children studying in state run, non-religious schools should be taught? have a look at <a href="http://www.birmingham-asc.org.uk/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.birmingham-asc.org.uk/index.php</a> SACRE scares me… if the CofE is in terminal decline, should it have pride of place and the loudest voice in deciding what morals and 'dispositions' children studying in state run, non-religious schools should be taught?

have a look at http://www.birmingham-asc.org.uk/index.php

]]> By: tomrees http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18963 tomrees Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:26:32 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18963 A new analysis of why there are national differences in religiosity: <a href="http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-some-countries-are-more-religious.html" target="_blank">http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-some-c...</a> A new analysis of why there are national differences in religiosity: http://bhascience.blogspot.com.....e-c…

]]> By: chrsbol http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18958 chrsbol Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:06:20 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18958 Good post Tim and I'm going to volunteer myself to make all those new babies! Good post Tim and I'm going to volunteer myself to make all those new babies!

]]> By: valdemar http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18953 valdemar Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:45:01 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18953 Good to know they're losing. Bad to realise, as in Broga's post, that they are bad losers and it's taking a long time to defeat them. The big irony here is that America is striving to be more European all the time, as in debates over health care reform, electing leaders who can read and write, etc. As for the CofE, shouldn't it be turned into a proper charitable trust for the maintenance of old buildings? It's almost there anyway. Good to know they're losing. Bad to realise, as in Broga's post, that they are bad losers and it's taking a long time to defeat them.

The big irony here is that America is striving to be more European all the time, as in debates over health care reform, electing leaders who can read and write, etc.

As for the CofE, shouldn't it be turned into a proper charitable trust for the maintenance of old buildings? It's almost there anyway.

]]> By: Tim_Danaher http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/07/09/religion-is-dead-in-holland-%e2%80%a6-and-the-c-of-e-heads-for-extinction-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-18943 Tim_Danaher Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:39:07 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=7109#comment-18943 Actually, this article reminded of a report I once saw on xtianity in Europe: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKOwLIjdcg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eatheistthinktank%2Enet%2Fthinktank%2Findex%2Ephp%3Faction%3Dprofile%3Bu%3D282%3Bsa%3DshowPosts%3Bstart%3D30&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKOwLIjdcg&eu...</a>" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKOwLIjdcg&eu...</a></a> Seriously fucking hilarious. Especially the comment that starts at around 3:42. Knock yourselves out. Actually, this article reminded of a report I once saw on xtianity in Europe:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....;eu…” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....;eu…

Seriously fucking hilarious. Especially the comment that starts at around 3:42. Knock yourselves out.

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