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	<title>Comments on: Webcam wanker was a Catholic priest who tried to groom a 13-year-old for sex</title>
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		<title>By: Flavius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flavius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope we are all good enough people to pray for the man. He is surely in need of guidance from our Lord. Let us pray that he attones for his sins and also for any child that has been affected by this mis-guided human being.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we are all good enough people to pray for the man. He is surely in need of guidance from our Lord. Let us pray that he attones for his sins and also for any child that has been affected by this mis-guided human being.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite disheartening that some priests are not representing the catholic priesthood and the catholic church in general very well.

specifically if this priest is guilty of all that were written above, it is so repulsive and appalling of him.
But sometimes , we don&#039;t know what to believe again especially when it comes to the catholic priesthood and sexual molestation.

Some people use this medium to enrich themselves. though there has be past facts.
Well it is unfortunate that some people became priest just for the benefits, respect and sometime parents&#039; demands.And once you are ordained, you are a priest forever till you die.Less I would have suggested they get kicked out or stripped of the sacrament of orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite disheartening that some priests are not representing the catholic priesthood and the catholic church in general very well.</p>
<p>specifically if this priest is guilty of all that were written above, it is so repulsive and appalling of him.<br />
But sometimes , we don&#8217;t know what to believe again especially when it comes to the catholic priesthood and sexual molestation.</p>
<p>Some people use this medium to enrich themselves. though there has be past facts.<br />
Well it is unfortunate that some people became priest just for the benefits, respect and sometime parents&#8217; demands.And once you are ordained, you are a priest forever till you die.Less I would have suggested they get kicked out or stripped of the sacrament of orders.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubblecar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubblecar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He was attempting. He failed because he wasn&#039;t talking to an underage girl, but he was definitely attempting. &quot; 
 
No, there was NO underage girl. We atheists are supposed to be able to clearly disinguish between fantasy and reality. You can&#039;t &quot;attempt to groom an underage girl&quot; if it&#039;s really a policeman - you can only &quot;attempt to groom a policeman posing as an underage girl&quot;. This is not an academic distinction. If his crime is being presented as an &quot;attempt to groom an underage girl&quot;, then it&#039;s a fictitious crime. We shouldn&#039;t be charging people with fictitious crimes.  
 
This doesn&#039;t mean he shouldn&#039;t be charged, but the charge should refer to what really happened and why he&#039;s really considered worth arresting. He&#039;s coming before the courts because the police regard him as potentially dangerous, and this is something the court needs to assess, without basing this assessment on the mistaken idea that the police are providing evidence that he has actually engaged in child abuse. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;He was attempting. He failed because he wasn&#039;t talking to an underage girl, but he was definitely attempting. &quot; </p>
<p>No, there was NO underage girl. We atheists are supposed to be able to clearly disinguish between fantasy and reality. You can&#039;t &quot;attempt to groom an underage girl&quot; if it&#039;s really a policeman &#8211; you can only &quot;attempt to groom a policeman posing as an underage girl&quot;. This is not an academic distinction. If his crime is being presented as an &quot;attempt to groom an underage girl&quot;, then it&#039;s a fictitious crime. We shouldn&#039;t be charging people with fictitious crimes.  </p>
<p>This doesn&#039;t mean he shouldn&#039;t be charged, but the charge should refer to what really happened and why he&#039;s really considered worth arresting. He&#039;s coming before the courts because the police regard him as potentially dangerous, and this is something the court needs to assess, without basing this assessment on the mistaken idea that the police are providing evidence that he has actually engaged in child abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubblecar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubblecar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a more complex issue than that, remigius. Having police online, pretending to be children, actively portraying themselves as sexually available and &quot;begging for sex&quot; from strange old men, can only reinforce the idea amongst these deluded types that there are indeed plenty of kids out there &quot;begging for it&quot;. It could also encourage such behaviour amongst impressionable youngsters. 
 
And since this man is being charged with a thought crime, not an actual crime against a child, we really should be honest about that. While I believe it&#039;s preferable for people to be charged with real crimes, rather than pretend crimes made up by the police, there may well be a strong argument for &quot;thought crime&quot; convictions in the name of public safety. But let&#039;s not pretend he was actually &quot;grooming an underage girl&quot; - this misrepresents both the nature of the offence and the police tactics involved, in a needlessly evasive way.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s a more complex issue than that, remigius. Having police online, pretending to be children, actively portraying themselves as sexually available and &quot;begging for sex&quot; from strange old men, can only reinforce the idea amongst these deluded types that there are indeed plenty of kids out there &quot;begging for it&quot;. It could also encourage such behaviour amongst impressionable youngsters. </p>
<p>And since this man is being charged with a thought crime, not an actual crime against a child, we really should be honest about that. While I believe it&#039;s preferable for people to be charged with real crimes, rather than pretend crimes made up by the police, there may well be a strong argument for &quot;thought crime&quot; convictions in the name of public safety. But let&#039;s not pretend he was actually &quot;grooming an underage girl&quot; &#8211; this misrepresents both the nature of the offence and the police tactics involved, in a needlessly evasive way.</p>
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		<title>By: remigius</title>
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		<dc:creator>remigius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes but what about intention. Father Peter Fyle here obviously had the necessary mens rea, along with a bloody obvious actus reus. 
 
Is it better to arrest him before, or after he fucks a child? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes but what about intention. Father Peter Fyle here obviously had the necessary mens rea, along with a bloody obvious actus reus. </p>
<p>Is it better to arrest him before, or after he fucks a child?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;attempting to groom an underage girl&quot;  
 
He was attempting. He failed because he wasn&#039;t talking to an underage girl, but he was definitely attempting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;attempting to groom an underage girl&quot;  </p>
<p>He was attempting. He failed because he wasn&#039;t talking to an underage girl, but he was definitely attempting.</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Bubblecar - shades of Colin Stagg (qv).  I don&#039;t see, either, how sending underage kids into corner shops to buy booze and fags isn&#039;t breaking the law, and I think that that tactic should be dropped if only because the authorities are quite blatantly exploiting the youngsters involved. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Bubblecar &#8211; shades of Colin Stagg (qv).  I don&#039;t see, either, how sending underage kids into corner shops to buy booze and fags isn&#039;t breaking the law, and I think that that tactic should be dropped if only because the authorities are quite blatantly exploiting the youngsters involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remigius:   Too right.    This could cause big trouble.  My son was doing a paper round and washing cars.   If my kids had got a sniff of &quot;undercover detective&quot; it would be game over on the car washing.  Makes a change on the &quot;I want to be a pop star&quot; or &quot;I want to be famous when I grow up&quot; that teachers hear.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remigius:   Too right.    This could cause big trouble.  My son was doing a paper round and washing cars.   If my kids had got a sniff of &quot;undercover detective&quot; it would be game over on the car washing.  Makes a change on the &quot;I want to be a pop star&quot; or &quot;I want to be famous when I grow up&quot; that teachers hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubblecar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubblecar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m uneasy about these kind of entrapment tactics. Apart from anything else, the charges make no sense. How can he be charged with &quot;attempting to groom an underage girl&quot; if there was no underage girl?  
 
&quot;Attempting to groom an imaginary underage girl&quot; is more empirically accurate, and since he posted sexually suggestive material concerning this imaginary girl, he presumably ought to be charged with creating and distributing child porn. But since the police joined in, and indeed, instigated the whole thing, they ought to be charged, too.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m uneasy about these kind of entrapment tactics. Apart from anything else, the charges make no sense. How can he be charged with &quot;attempting to groom an underage girl&quot; if there was no underage girl?  </p>
<p>&quot;Attempting to groom an imaginary underage girl&quot; is more empirically accurate, and since he posted sexually suggestive material concerning this imaginary girl, he presumably ought to be charged with creating and distributing child porn. But since the police joined in, and indeed, instigated the whole thing, they ought to be charged, too.</p>
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		<title>By: remigius</title>
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		<dc:creator>remigius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 13 year old girl working as an undercover detective...how cool is that! 
 
When I was that age I could only get a paper-round. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 13 year old girl working as an undercover detective&#8230;how cool is that! </p>
<p>When I was that age I could only get a paper-round.</p>
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