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Islam and homosexuality: more rampant paranoia and hypocrisy

Homosexuality is Haram and END of Discussion. U cant question the Creator. HE said its Haram … there is no such thing as homosexual Muslim.

A FEW days after reading this quote on a discussion board at the newly-launched I’m Halal Islamic search engine, I was handed  a copy of yesterday’s  Guardian’s Weekend magazine, which contained an astonishing report of a flourishing practice in Afghanistan: The taking of young boys to perform as dancers at private parties called bacha bazi (boy for play).

This photo of a young Afgan dancing boy appears in this weekend's Guardian magazine

This photo of a young Afgan dancing boy appears in this weekend's Guardian magazine

According to the report, headed Slaves to the Rhythm:

The bacha dancers are often abused children whose families have rejected them. Their ‘owners’ or ‘masters’ can be single or married men, who keep them in a form of sexual slavery, as concubines.

I could not find a link to the Guardian feature, from which the photo was reproduced, but in 2007 the Institute for War and Peace Reporting carried a piece on the bacha bazi, which kicked off with this quote from Allah Daad, a one-time mujahedin commander in the northern Afghan province of Kunduz:

Some men enjoy playing with dogs, some with women. I enjoy playing with boys.

He added:

When I was young, I had a bacha bereesh who was the best in the region. He danced like a flying pigeon … Nobody could take his place afterwards. I kept him for three years, then left him when he matured.

Allah Daad has kept many boys over the years, and says he enjoys his ‘hobby’.

I am married, but I prefer boys to women. You can’t take women with you to parties in this region, and you can’t make them dance. These boys are our [mark of] prestige.

Large halls known as ‘qush-khana’ provide the venues for bacha bazi parties where the boys’ ‘owners’ or ‘kaatah’ invite their friends to watch them dancing. Late in the night, when the dancing is over, the boys are often shared with close friends, for sexual abuse.

Allah Daad explained how the boys are enticed into the arrangement:

First we select boys in the village and later on we try to trick them into coming with us. Some of them stay with us for money; they get a monthly allowance, and in return we can have them any time we want. They don’t stay with us all the time – they can do their own jobs and then just come to parties with us.

Allah Dad’s current bacha, who is 16, refused to be interviewed. But another owner forced his 14-year-old boy to speak, although he would not give his name.

I was dancing last night. I have been doing this for the past year. I have no choice – I’m poor. My father is dead, and this is the only source of income for me and my family. I try to dance well, especially at huge parties. The men throw money at me, and then I gather it up. Sometimes they take me to the market and buy me nice clothes.

Said Baz Gul, a resident of Kunduz:

Bacha bazi has increased tremendously lately and is still on the rise. In the past, people were ashamed of it, and tried to hide it. Now nobody is shy about it, and they participate openly in these parties.

He explained that there were several reasons why the practice had become more common, one of which was the growing influence of local strongmen, who regard bacha baazi as status symbols.

It used to be that only a few people had boys. Now everyone owns one and the authorities don’t care about it at all. It’s got to the point where almost no party takes place without dancing boys. It’s seen as a disgrace if you don’t have dancing boys at your wedding. This has led to a rise in immoral behaviour among boys, and if nothing is done about it, this trend will continue.

For some, a bacha bereesh is a status symbol. Militia commanders and other men of substance buy and sell good-looking boys, using the bacha baazi parties as marketplaces.

Said Nek Mohammad, a resident of Baghlan’s Andarab district who frequently attends dance parties, although he does not own a bacha bereesh himself:

Commanders and wealthy men arrange parties in order to select a bacha bereesh. Many of the men make their boys dance at these parties, and other men choose one and pay for him. By the end of the party, the boy has acquired a new owner. Commanders often take their boys to a market and buy them beautiful clothes, as a challenge to other commanders. Sometimes they even give them cars. That gives them a very big reputation.

Islamic scholars condemn the custom, which they count as one of the most sinful acts possible. Said Mawlawi Ghulam Rabbani, a religious leader in Takhar province:

Making boys dance and sexually abusing them is strictly prohibited by Islam. Those who engage in it should be punished. They should be thrown off a mountain and stoned to death.

38 responses to “Islam and homosexuality: more rampant paranoia and hypocrisy”

  1. barriejohn says:

    There's another report here, but it seems to contain the same interviews as the one above:

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/246409/Boys

    If you look up bacha bazi plenty of other referaences to the practice come up, some more recent than these two. It looks as if some people are trying to draw attention to it.

    The comments on the ImHalal site are truly appalling, and indicate what a benighted, primitive belief Islam is, and how ignorant and stupid these Mohammedans really are. Frightening!

  2. Angela_K says:

    Islam's paranoia with keeping men and women separate often means that men's first sexual experience is with another male; the hypocrisy is of course no surprise.

  3. barriejohn says:

    "Across the vast spread of Muslim masculinity, from Morocco to India, it is well known that premarital young men have sex with each other because it's an age-old tradition and since women are mostly forbidden to them. It's also well known that such widespread homo-sex is vehemently denied and refuted in public."

    http://www.globalgayz.com/country/Africa/view/MAR

    A sad story, and hypocrisy beyond belief!

  4. sailor1031 says:

    as of last week Canada had lost 129 soldiers dead, 370+ wounded and 3 civilians dead in this benighted country. I don't know other NATO figures but they are also substantial. Reading about these degenerate savages really makes me wonder why are we of the west doing the heavy lifting for them. Obviously if they're behaving like this they're not too afraid of the taliban so can we just say "mission accomplished", get out and leave these barbarians to it?

  5. "Making boys dance and sexually abusing them is strictly prohibited by Islam. Those who engage in it should be punished. They should be thrown off a mountain and stoned to death."
    I can't believe that I agree with a mullah….

  6. Stuart_W says:

    Trouble is, it is these intense religious bubbles and glasshouses that create madnesses like 'Boys for Play' in lieu of shagging one's wife in the first place.

    By the way, if ever find yourself in court folks, you now know what to do – ask to take the Qur'an in your hand!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213157/C

  7. Elainek123 says:

    Evil, just evil, if they believe that a god wants boys to be abused they are insane. Still i suppose if you say you believe in god you can get away with anything you like.__ Stop this practic e, I suppose it will still be going on for many,many years to come.__ Nobody in priveledged positions care a jot about what happens to others as long as they can live in luxury.__

  8. Elainek123 says:

    Evil, just evil, if they believe that a god wants boys to be abused they are insane. Still i suppose if you say you believe in god you can get away with anything you like.__ Stop this practic e, I suppose it will still be going on for many,many years to come.__ Nobody in priveledged positions care a jot about what happens to others as long as they can live in luxury.__

  9. Hipocrits says:

    Don't see the difference between this and the catholic church. Here they make them dance, while catholics make them sing. Dancing or singing, either way they get fucked over.

    At least the dancers get something in return.

  10. Adam says:

    While it's despicable, I think throwing them off a mountain AND stoning them to death is… no pun intended.. overkill.

  11. barriejohn says:

    Sadly, he thinks that a lot of OTHER people should be "thrown off a mountain and stoned to death" as well!

  12. Haroon says:

    well..actually. i think the mullah got it abit wrong in his excitement… we need to stone them first and then throw them off the mountain.. have you ever tried hitting a paedo with a stone from the top of a mountain?? i dont think it's as easy as you think!!

  13. Haroon Rashid says:

    dude..whats your problem?? a few of questions for you. is this practise wrong?? and has Islam condoned it?? if a few guys (who mind you are from northern afghanistan, so techinically they arent afghans/or part of the taliban..they are actually tajiks) are doing this, how can you blame Islam for it all??

  14. saad says:

    Islamic scholars condemn the custom, which they count as one of the most sinful acts possible.

  15. No Dhimmi says:

    Yes, it's a fact – an absolutely disgusting fact. Have you seen the effeminate images of the Taliban wearing makeup and women's shoes?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2YzHY8VIU

    Then there's the story about how Marco Polo supposedly encountered a young girl and boy in a Muslim country – I believe it may have been Afghanistan. The girl offered her five-year-old brother to Polo to sodomize, because her mother had carved his anus to resemble a vagina. She had used a tool called a "golule." I have not been able to verify it, but this story purportedly occurs in a fictionalized biography of Polo by Gary Jennings called "Journeyer."

    Such child-rape and homosexuality are RAMPANT in the Islamic world, including among the MOST rabid Muslims such as the Taliban.

  16. mike says:

    Yet the engrish typing CAPS LOCK OF FURY muslims would still blame Britain for a slave trade she gave up on over a century ago, when they still do it today!

  17. Nik Noran says:

    So just like catholic priest pedo disco then?

  18. barriejohn says:

    "My problem" is these cunts who are quoting their make-believe, invisible friend, who is supposed to have said: "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done unto him", my friend! It's primitive, barbaric bullshit!!

  19. fahimkamran says:

    What Does "Islam" Mean?
    The word "Islam" itself means "Submission to Allah." The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of "Christianity" which was named after Jesus Christ, "Buddhism" after Gutama Buddha , "Marxism" after Karl Marx, and "Confucianism" after Confucius.
    Similarly, Islam is not named after a tribe like "Judaism" after the tribe of Judah and "Hinduism" after the Hindus. The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the will of the only true god worthy of worship, "Allah" (known as God "the Father" in Christianity).
    Anyone who does indeed submit to the will of Allah as required by Islam is termed a "Muslim," which means one who has submitted to the will of Allah. Many people in the West have developed the sad misinformed trend of calling Islam "Muhammadenism" and it's followers "Muhammadins." This is a totally foreign word to Muslims and unrecognized by them. No Muslim has ever called his religion "Muhammadenism" or called himself a "Muhammadin."
    What Is The Basic Concept of Islam?
    Islam teaches us that this life is a life of worship. We are placed on this earth in order to worship Allah and obey His command. During this earthly life we are subjected to a series of trials. We have the option of enduring these trials and conforming to certain laws, and our reward will be great in the next life, or we may decline to endure these trials and choose to not conform to the law, then we will be made to regret it in the next life.
    Each person will be solely and completely responsible for their own final reward. We are also told that God has designed these laws to make this life a better, safer, and more tolerable one for us. If we elect to conform to them then we will see the result in this life even before moving on to the next.
    We are told that the earthly life is a life of faith and work, and the next life is one of reward and no work. We have been placed on this earth to worship God, fast, pray, be industrious, good, kind, respectful, and a source of uprightness and morality. We are told that God has no need of our worship. Our worship can not increase the kingdom of God nor add to His power, however, it is in our best interests both in this life and the next that we do.
    Unlike some other religions which claim that God entered in a covenant with a certain group of people and that this group is genetically better than all other human beings, or closer to God, Islam on the other hand teaches that no color, race, tribe, or lineage is better than any other. Islam teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of Allah and that the only thing that can distinguish them in His sight is their piety and worship.
    "O humankind! Verily! We have created you from a male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Verily! the noblest among you in the sight of Allah is the most God-fearing. Verily! Allah is The Knower, The Aware." The noble Qur'an, Al-Hujrat(49):13.

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  20. barriejohn says:

    Doesn't it seem rather strange that this mullah thinks it necessary to point out that "Making boys dance and sexually abusing them is strictly forbidden by Islam"? It might come as a big shock to the likes of him, but most of us don't need a collection of writings by some ancient religious fanatic to tell us that this sort of behaviour would be wrong. Does "Islam" also tell them to make sure that they keep breathing, and not to forget to put plenty of food in their mouths every day?

  21. CybrgnX says:

    Isaac Asimov wrote a science article about the rampart boy-sex of that area using the romans as his example. But the meat of the article is that How can a man love another person who is so far below his stature that dog shit is higher??? So boy-sex is common because only other males are of equal rank because you can't love a woman because she is less then crap.
    Where women are equal or at least near equal to the men then boy-sex is not as prevalent. He differentiated homosexuality from boy-sex as the underlying causes are different.
    THis is an interesting observation and seems to always be true.

  22. barriejohn says:

    That's a good point. It is perfectly true that boy-sex in the ancient world was not necessarily what we would term "homosexuality", even if their attitudes toward gay-orientated people were more relaxed.

  23. William Harwood says:

    If this clown had just a little more sanity, intelligence and education, he could get a job wearing a paper hat and asking, "Do you want chips with your Big Mac?" Anyone who thinks of himself as the mindless, domesticated livestock of the most sadistic, evil, mass-murdering psychopath in all fiction should consider a brain exchange with a cabbage.

  24. Stuart_W says:

    The bacha bazis sound like the Islamic world's equivalent of prison bitches. With the men deprived of attractive women at a time when hormones are raging as females are ordered to cover up all but their eyes and pornography is considered as wicked as a beer-soaked hot dog, sexual appetites get pent up and they need something else to project these desires on to. Not completely unlike Catholic priests and altar boys actually, except that in this case the carrot on a stick is protection and privilege.

  25. Farid says:

    I am from Afghanistan and I am really ashamed of this. This is happening because of the Northern Alience the so calld “heroes” are behind this. This is also happening more in the North than in the sSouth because the Taliban in the south are stronger so I hoope some of you now will understand way some want taliban instead of the so called “democratie” that the western countrys brought to Afghanistan. I hoope that a giant boom or somthing hit the place where this tings are hapening.

  26. olyg says:

    If this is tolerated, as it clearly is, by the Muslim faith – then it understandable why the barbaric Koran-reding idiots kill innocent people in blind faith to a faith of violence. They have no morals – they have no real values. They just have. And apparently, at the very cost of their own stated faith. This hypocrisy and evil clearly represents the muslim people for what they truly are – believers in Satan.

  27. Olyg clearly has a grudge against Muslims – and thats a shame. I have no such grudge, per se, Muslim are just like any other faith or religion. All reek hypocrisy and blatant ignorance of the nature of man, and all operate on a master/slave paradigm which only a man could find pleasing (well, possibly a God, but not a loving one or one deserving of worship).

    This article turned my stomach, just knowing the rampant homo sex (child rape aside) in the middle east, all the while the death sentences which are quickly imposed on the openly gay in the same places by the same people all in the name of God. Ah religion, you just gotta love it.

  28. Kelly Marie says:

    “Making boys dance and sexually abusing them is strictly prohibited by Islam. Those who engage in it should be punished. They should be thrown off a mountain and stoned to death.”

    Uhmmm, I think stoning them would probably be superfluous to the job after they’ve been flung off a mountain.

  29. Ariana says:

    It is quite clear that hiding women behind veil would render men being attractive to other men, the very people they are able to look at daily.

    This is why prisoners engage in homosexual sex and priests prey on little boys withhout being gay.
    Men and women should be able to interact with each other daily or else the male essence becomes confused and this takes of the sting of wanting and desiring females.

    One other thing that I find very clumsy among muslims is the preference for male dancers and not female ones.

    Islam is such a masculine religion that in its essence of obscuring women and rendering them invisible, Muslim men are effeminate.

    There is a complete and natural balance between men and women.

  30. Aryana says:

    Bacha Bazi began in Kandahar, which is a tribal region. It is most common in Kandahar and Baghlan! And by the way the Taliban had their own bacha bazi which they did in private!! They not only took young girls away from their families but also took away young boys never to be seen! Not all Taliban did that but some. As an ethnic Afghan myself I can’t stand most Afghan people. I don’t like most of their traditions and their ways.
    Here are some interesting articles about bacha bazi:
    http://www.globalgayz.com/country/Afghanistan/view/AFG/gay-afghanistan-after-the-taliban-homosexuality-as-tradition

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/246409/Boys_in_Afghanistan_Sold_Into_Prostitution_Sexual_Slavery

  31. […] Asia for just being gay.  But in parts of very Islamic Afghanistan, 14-year-old boys are prized possessions, made to dance for groups of Taliban men at parties called “bacha bazi”, or […]

  32. meda says:

    To “fahimkamran”: I am so disgusted by Islam, or at least the Islam I have seen. As a WOMAN, I would be considered as of value as a donkey by so called “superior men” which are in actuality FAR LOWER in morals/conduct than women. If you are trying to “influence” someone of the “value” of your religion/beliefs PLEASE INSPECT them thoroughly for HYPOCRISY before doing so- not only for the sake of others, but for the sanctity of your own “soul”!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have TOO MUCH SELF VALUE to be influenced by such ignorance!!! so give me a break!

    To CybrgnX: you hit the nail on the head my friend! so sad…

    It seems to me “religion” has some wierd struggle w/ “control” over others–true religion would be LOVE and CONCERN for others. I wonder if these DOGS in this culture and the Catholic system are just trying to be the “top hog” after they themselves have been subjected to this filth and are trying to regain their “dominance” so they don’t have to go through it again??? My husband was in the Navy over in the Middle East and he said that homosexual behavior amoung them is very common and yet they say it is an abomination and hate us for it and call us “infidels”?!??!?!! seems to me pot shouldn’t call kettle black–

    I feel so sorry for the women and children over there…if only you could reach them somehow with TRUE COMPASSION and CONCERN …:(

  33. meda says:

    To “fahimkamran”: I am so disgusted by Islam, or at least the Islam I have seen. As a WOMAN, I would be considered as of value as a donkey by so called “superior men” which are in actuality FAR LOWER in morals/conduct than women. If you are trying to “influence” someone of the “value” of your religion/beliefs PLEASE INSPECT them thoroughly for HYPOCRISY before doing so- not only for the sake of others, but for the sanctity of your own “soul”!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have TOO MUCH SELF VALUE to be influenced by such ignorance!!! so give me a break!

    To CybrgnX: you hit the nail on the head my friend! so sad…

  34. Jamshaid says:

    To “Aryana”: Please check your facts before you post something. I understand why you don’t like most Afghans becuause they are like you talking BS about their own people and culture. Get real please.

  35. Farhan says:

    Hello,
    Please just let me know why would the act of some crazy retard afghans is been compared to islam or any religion, and most of the individuals commenting here hardly know about islam.

    This type of act is present in almost ever society and culture and its an immoral act and practice and islam actually condemned this practice.

    To “meda” u said u r disgusted with islam , then mam u know nothing abt islam u might have a bad experience with some muslim individual or a group, u dont actually find many practicing muslims around these days.

    Or if u insist your opinion is right abt islam then also get disgusted with christianity etc bcoz even christians are involved in immoral avtivities murders robberies rapes child abuse , catholic or any other form christian or hindus or jews.

  36. ozwiz says:

    It was obvious that excluding premarital sex was going to result in this sort of activity.. What one wonders is…… maybe that is why the locking up of women occurs…so there is an excuse for this shite..
    Of course it is true that in the western world a man cant be sure if his kids are actually his…so I can see what the muslim guys are on about…however we have dna matching now so u shouldnt need to worry about that.. unless of course the law is stupid enough to deny dna testing as an invasion of privacy…lets screw over the good guys again yeahhh. Us.

  37. Brian says:

    This is a global cultural phenomenon … It’s always existed in every ( or almost every) culture including our precious Western culture. Look up Pederasty. A simple Google will do. And lest we become too self righteous with our religion or philosophy lets remember Aristotle and the Roman Catholic church. I would call mneither uncivilized/barbaric etc. Greeks Romans Japanese Africans Native Americans effectively justified this behavior using religion, philosophy morality and upbringing ( i.e. a good way to teach a young man) tradition… you name it… Lets not act surprised when we discover that Afghan men are as horny as all other men throughout time and none of these other cultures wore burkas ( I think togas are pretty hot myself) . Granted the west is closer to demonizing this behavior ntirely but its only been 20 or so years of our official and authority approved disgust….

  38. Nena says:

    the act by these men in afganistan are shocking. Islam was brought into this world in order to correct such acts. Many of these people have no education or understanding. They are not muslims and they have no idea what it means to be a muslim. Many people in the west live in christian countries but they have no idea about their religion. It is very important to use our education to first reseach for ourselves, what it means to follow Islam; find out the facts before we let our anger bring us to conclusions about the world most growing religion. Conclusions which are ill founded and have no grounding.

    This programme was very upsetting and discgusting. But just because this has been highighted in a country where the religion is Islam. This does not mean that these people even know what it means to be a muslim.