Comments on: It’s been a bad, bad week for Scientology http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/ The voice of atheism since 1881 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:51:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: Australian politician accused of a ‘fascistic attack’ for savaging ‘criminal’ Scientologists http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-24426 Australian politician accused of a ‘fascistic attack’ for savaging ‘criminal’ Scientologists Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:01:36 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-24426 [...] the major hit they took in a court in France recently, and their loss of prominent member Paul Haggi..., they are now licking their wounds from a mauling inflicted by an Australian politician. Senator [...] [...] the major hit they took in a court in France recently, and their loss of prominent member Paul Haggi…, they are now licking their wounds from a mauling inflicted by an Australian politician. Senator [...]

]]> By: chindeck http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23609 chindeck Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:11:17 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23609 Hey kids, It's delightful debating this with you all. Thanks for your comments. Not sure I understand the comment: "As for Christianity being “The one true faith”, try telling that to those, like Muslims, who insist that their religion is “the one true faith”. As Christians and Muslims cannot both be right, it follows that both must be equally wrong." I'm sure being a freethinker you must be pretty smart. However, you may recall the church claimed the world was flat. Science claimed that the world was round. Were the equally wrong? I don't believe so. I believe the scientists won out did they not? "It follows that both must be equally wrong" just doesn't make sense. Perhaps you can explain it to me. I'm still punting for the law of averages on this. If a third of the globe is Christian and the faith has been around for 2000 years then there's probably something there - savvy? Or are we all being deluded and you guys are the only ones capable of free thought? Pride comes before a fall folks. Chin. Hey kids,

It’s delightful debating this with you all. Thanks for your comments.

Not sure I understand the comment:

“As for Christianity being “The one true faith”, try telling that to those, like Muslims, who insist that their religion is “the one true faith”. As Christians and Muslims cannot both be right, it follows that both must be equally wrong.”

I’m sure being a freethinker you must be pretty smart. However, you may recall the church claimed the world was flat. Science claimed that the world was round. Were the equally wrong? I don’t believe so. I believe the scientists won out did they not? “It follows that both must be equally wrong” just doesn’t make sense. Perhaps you can explain it to me.

I’m still punting for the law of averages on this. If a third of the globe is Christian and the faith has been around for 2000 years then there’s probably something there – savvy? Or are we all being deluded and you guys are the only ones capable of free thought? Pride comes before a fall folks.

Chin.

]]> By: William Harwood http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23553 William Harwood Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:46:16 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23553 A nazirite was for several centuries BCE a fanatic under a vow of no-haircutting, no liquor, and other forms of masochism for a specified period. There is a suspicion that, as a known drinker and glutton, Jesus was first called "the Nazirite" by his detractors, analogous to calling a bald man "Curly," and he then adopted the title as a badge of honor, the way "Rats of Tobruk" was adopted by the Australian soldiers to whom Lord Haw Haw first applied the derogatory title. On the difference between Jesus' actual title of "Nazirite", and "Nazarene" to which it became changed, see my piece in December Freethinker. Luke used Nazarenos in 4:34 and 24:19, but Nazoraios in 18:37 and 22:57. Mark used only the former, and Matthew only the latter. "of Nazareth" is a particularly indefensible mistranslation. A nazirite was for several centuries BCE a fanatic under a vow of no-haircutting, no liquor, and other forms of masochism for a specified period. There is a suspicion that, as a known drinker and glutton, Jesus was first called “the Nazirite” by his detractors, analogous to calling a bald man “Curly,” and he then adopted the title as a badge of honor, the way “Rats of Tobruk” was adopted by the Australian soldiers to whom Lord Haw Haw first applied the derogatory title.
On the difference between Jesus’ actual title of “Nazirite”, and “Nazarene” to which it became changed, see my piece in December Freethinker. Luke used Nazarenos in 4:34 and 24:19, but Nazoraios in 18:37 and 22:57. Mark used only the former, and Matthew only the latter. “of Nazareth” is a particularly indefensible mistranslation.

]]> By: barriejohn http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23550 barriejohn Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:09:22 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23550 I'm confused now. I thought the Nazirites were an OT sect, and that it was the Nazarenes who were contemporary with the Ebionites(?). I’m confused now. I thought the Nazirites were an OT sect, and that it was the Nazarenes who were contemporary with the Ebionites(?).

]]> By: William Harwood http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23546 William Harwood Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:08:30 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23546 Both the Ebionites, "the poor", the communist cult founded and led by Jesus until his death, and the Nazirites, the cult that converted from Righteous-Rabbi-Essenism to Jesus-Essenism after Jesus' death, were exterminated no later than the sixth century--by the Christians, the gentile religion invented by Paul that had no more connection with its posthumous figurehead than the John Birch Society had with John Birch. See the entries on Ebionites and Nazirites in Dictionary of Contemporary Mythology. Both the Ebionites, “the poor”, the communist cult founded and led by Jesus until his death, and the Nazirites, the cult that converted from Righteous-Rabbi-Essenism to Jesus-Essenism after Jesus’ death, were exterminated no later than the sixth century–by the Christians, the gentile religion invented by Paul that had no more connection with its posthumous figurehead than the John Birch Society had with John Birch. See the entries on Ebionites and Nazirites in Dictionary of Contemporary Mythology.

]]> By: Stonyground http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23537 Stonyground Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:24:51 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23537 Interestingly, the "disconnection" that is spoken about in the article is mentioned in the New Testament, sorry can't be arsed to look up the references. I think that this shows that Christianity started out as a cult, just like Scientology or JWism. Dr. Harwood may correct me but I believe that the Christ-cult died a death and it was Paulianity that took off having stolen the Christ-cult's god. Interestingly, the “disconnection” that is spoken about in the article is mentioned in the New Testament, sorry can’t be arsed to look up the references. I think that this shows that Christianity started out as a cult, just like Scientology or JWism. Dr. Harwood may correct me but I believe that the Christ-cult died a death and it was Paulianity that took off having stolen the Christ-cult’s god.

]]> By: Broga http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23535 Broga Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:10:09 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23535 I suppose the vast numbers of christians (supposed) includes the vast numbers who have not a thought in their head, never mind having read anything about the background to what they say they believe. The question they never cope with when preaching about their "god" is what do they mean by god. I suppose the vast numbers of christians (supposed) includes the vast numbers who have not a thought in their head, never mind having read anything about the background to what they say they believe. The question they never cope with when preaching about their “god” is what do they mean by god.

]]> By: barriejohn http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23532 barriejohn Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:05:37 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23532 I know the terms are often used interchangeably, but I think you'll find that a sect is more properly a subdivision of a belief system, whereas a cult would best describe any new movement, like $cientology. BTW Is there any truth in the statement that the 'L' in<i> L. Ron Hubbard</i> stands for 'lunatic'? (Someone's going to say: "No, none of them are mad - just look at the money they've made out of it!") I know the terms are often used interchangeably, but I think you’ll find that a sect is more properly a subdivision of a belief system, whereas a cult would best describe any new movement, like $cientology.

BTW Is there any truth in the statement that the ‘L’ in L. Ron Hubbard stands for ‘lunatic’? (Someone’s going to say: “No, none of them are mad – just look at the money they’ve made out of it!”)

]]> By: Uzza http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23530 Uzza Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:43:58 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23530 A sect is a cult with an army. They're all religions. A sect is a cult with an army. They’re all religions.

]]> By: andrea http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/10/27/it%e2%80%99s-been-a-bad-bad-week-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-23529 andrea Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:34:03 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9212#comment-23529 The daily mash have it spot on as usual http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/church-of-scientology-guilty-of-acting-like-a-church-200910282176/ The daily mash have it spot on as usual

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/.....910282176/

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