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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please turn the father loose. Yes release him from jail to lead a normal life again. However short that may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please turn the father loose. Yes release him from jail to lead a normal life again. However short that may be.</p>
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		<title>By: CybrgnX</title>
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		<dc:creator>CybrgnX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g0d!!! how did such an ugly shit have such a pretty daughter????
&#039;She was longing to know the true god. and i told her to just pray and when you do ask in your prayer to send gods people to you.&#039;  Not to insult you&#039;re sadness but the advice sucked!! She had to be old enough to have run off to a shelter.  Why did you not tell her so and help her get away?? This brings in another point about the religious, they give crappy advice because they are locked into the system that says OBEY and pray..
In some cases nothing helps.  Me and my wife tried to help a woman who complained about the husband, we told her of the options and how to get help.  But she was so locked in to the problem that she could not just say WTF and leave.  To make it plain....helping can be tricky and difficult.  The fathers actions are NOT her fault.  The killing IS NOT her fault. But her inability to say WTF and leave did contribute to the death.  People must learn hopefully thru good parents, or thru school or TV, or friends to grow and deal with REALITY not to some fiction invented by stone age goat herders.
PARENTS are AS they DO not some arbitrary stone age rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g0d!!! how did such an ugly shit have such a pretty daughter????<br />
&#8216;She was longing to know the true god. and i told her to just pray and when you do ask in your prayer to send gods people to you.&#8217;  Not to insult you&#8217;re sadness but the advice sucked!! She had to be old enough to have run off to a shelter.  Why did you not tell her so and help her get away?? This brings in another point about the religious, they give crappy advice because they are locked into the system that says OBEY and pray..<br />
In some cases nothing helps.  Me and my wife tried to help a woman who complained about the husband, we told her of the options and how to get help.  But she was so locked in to the problem that she could not just say WTF and leave.  To make it plain&#8230;.helping can be tricky and difficult.  The fathers actions are NOT her fault.  The killing IS NOT her fault. But her inability to say WTF and leave did contribute to the death.  People must learn hopefully thru good parents, or thru school or TV, or friends to grow and deal with REALITY not to some fiction invented by stone age goat herders.<br />
PARENTS are AS they DO not some arbitrary stone age rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Godless not gormless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godless not gormless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Shaun

I AM a considerate, open minded human being. Thats why I hate islam and everything about it. You cannot be a decent human being and want to kill your daughter because she has a mind of her own. His religion was very much to blame. Islam is barbaric. It&#039;s as simple as that. The sooner it&#039;s gotten rid of the better for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Shaun</p>
<p>I AM a considerate, open minded human being. Thats why I hate islam and everything about it. You cannot be a decent human being and want to kill your daughter because she has a mind of her own. His religion was very much to blame. Islam is barbaric. It&#8217;s as simple as that. The sooner it&#8217;s gotten rid of the better for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Eeuzarraga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Eeuzarraga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used too work with Noor at Chipotle mexican gril... She was always affraid of her father. She once told me that she thought her family was going to kiddnap her and take her back to iraq and kill her there. I offerd her to go camping with us and she said she would love to go with us. Then one day we were working the line and she got a text and she went too the restroom to chek it and she came out crying. I later on asked her if she is ok? she told me thet her family is being meen to her and threatening her. She broke the right rear view mirror on her moms kia mini van on accident and i tryed to help her fix it and she was freeking out cuz she knew she was going to get it when she got home. Her family would stock her and sit in the parking lot waiting hours till she got off work.It was freeking me out cuz i thaught to my self they are going to kill all of us... i wanted to quit Chipotle for that reason alone... I fell i love with Noors personality. She was a beautifull inside and out. She never judged anyone she was always filled with love and joy she would laugh at my stupid jokes and she loved my corky dancing. I loved to see her smile because she had a pritty one and the most beautifull eyes you ever seen.I regret not reaching out to her. me and noor were good friends at work. she always told me that she did not want to follow in her familys foot steps cuz she knew it was wrong. i told her this is america and she did not have to marry any one that she did not want to. i told her to enjoy our freedom of religion while it lasts cuz when the new world order takes over that right will end. She was longing to know the true god. and i told her to just pray and when you do ask in your prayer to send gods people to you. and then you will know in your heart who it realy is... she is now in gods memory and she will soon walk with him.till then REST IN PEACE NOOR... Your safe now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used too work with Noor at Chipotle mexican gril&#8230; She was always affraid of her father. She once told me that she thought her family was going to kiddnap her and take her back to iraq and kill her there. I offerd her to go camping with us and she said she would love to go with us. Then one day we were working the line and she got a text and she went too the restroom to chek it and she came out crying. I later on asked her if she is ok? she told me thet her family is being meen to her and threatening her. She broke the right rear view mirror on her moms kia mini van on accident and i tryed to help her fix it and she was freeking out cuz she knew she was going to get it when she got home. Her family would stock her and sit in the parking lot waiting hours till she got off work.It was freeking me out cuz i thaught to my self they are going to kill all of us&#8230; i wanted to quit Chipotle for that reason alone&#8230; I fell i love with Noors personality. She was a beautifull inside and out. She never judged anyone she was always filled with love and joy she would laugh at my stupid jokes and she loved my corky dancing. I loved to see her smile because she had a pritty one and the most beautifull eyes you ever seen.I regret not reaching out to her. me and noor were good friends at work. she always told me that she did not want to follow in her familys foot steps cuz she knew it was wrong. i told her this is america and she did not have to marry any one that she did not want to. i told her to enjoy our freedom of religion while it lasts cuz when the new world order takes over that right will end. She was longing to know the true god. and i told her to just pray and when you do ask in your prayer to send gods people to you. and then you will know in your heart who it realy is&#8230; she is now in gods memory and she will soon walk with him.till then REST IN PEACE NOOR&#8230; Your safe now.</p>
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		<title>By: gsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@VerySad:
&quot;why does it always becomes about Islam and all that.. &quot;
Because that&#039;s what they hide behind. 

You must understand that when a man/women/child goes OTT, takes an axe and kills the whole family, there is no doubt in their - or any one else&#039;s - mind that what they have done is insane and illegal.
 
Unfortunately, lots of countries in the world today consider killing the [mainly female] members of your family &#039;Justifiable Homocide&#039; when they do it in the name of Islam. 
So this is often given as the reason - in order to obtain a shorter sentence or maybe just a small fine - for littering the streets.

Then, when it fails to work here in the west, they start shouting things like Islamophobia and racism and other irrelevances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@VerySad:<br />
&#8220;why does it always becomes about Islam and all that.. &#8221;<br />
Because that&#8217;s what they hide behind. </p>
<p>You must understand that when a man/women/child goes OTT, takes an axe and kills the whole family, there is no doubt in their &#8211; or any one else&#8217;s &#8211; mind that what they have done is insane and illegal.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, lots of countries in the world today consider killing the [mainly female] members of your family &#8216;Justifiable Homocide&#8217; when they do it in the name of Islam.<br />
So this is often given as the reason &#8211; in order to obtain a shorter sentence or maybe just a small fine &#8211; for littering the streets.</p>
<p>Then, when it fails to work here in the west, they start shouting things like Islamophobia and racism and other irrelevances.</p>
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		<title>By: gsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mikespeir
A man comes to the West as a 5th. columnist, to soften up the political scene from within, ready it for an almost-bloodless takeover - and what happens? 
His Livestock goes over to the enemy! 
Well, we all know what happens to mad cows.

A conviction of first class premeditated murder could send the right message:
Fifth Column or not, when your livestock comes to the free world, they get magically transformed into human beings, with rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mikespeir<br />
A man comes to the West as a 5th. columnist, to soften up the political scene from within, ready it for an almost-bloodless takeover &#8211; and what happens?<br />
His Livestock goes over to the enemy!<br />
Well, we all know what happens to mad cows.</p>
<p>A conviction of first class premeditated murder could send the right message:<br />
Fifth Column or not, when your livestock comes to the free world, they get magically transformed into human beings, with rights.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mike Shaun and VerSad; I totally agree, religion is a tool, like any tool it can be used for good or bad. It is the person using the tool that makes the decision. On that last point is where it goes wrong for some religous types. Since those that obey the religous &#039;law&#039; will carry out the will of their god or whatever interpretation of that is. Most freethinkers would never be in that situation, as we reason and rationalise, religion in any form requires you as a pre-requisite to be irrational and believe without questioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mike Shaun and VerSad; I totally agree, religion is a tool, like any tool it can be used for good or bad. It is the person using the tool that makes the decision. On that last point is where it goes wrong for some religous types. Since those that obey the religous &#8216;law&#8217; will carry out the will of their god or whatever interpretation of that is. Most freethinkers would never be in that situation, as we reason and rationalise, religion in any form requires you as a pre-requisite to be irrational and believe without questioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike: You&#039;ve hit on something.  He may have been hoping to appeal to the Sharia courts that Britain is about to all to set up within its borders.  A bit disturbing that people could circumvent the established rule of law through something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike: You&#8217;ve hit on something.  He may have been hoping to appeal to the Sharia courts that Britain is about to all to set up within its borders.  A bit disturbing that people could circumvent the established rule of law through something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between The United States for  American and other countries ?The difference is absolute freedom.
There are Different religions in American And these are the true freedom You are living in the freedoms country this has a price Your daughter Disobedience
to your religion it is one of your Mistakes Introduce her to the religion by  proper education of it will reflected that to Ethics Background.
not by Violence and Irregularity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between The United States for  American and other countries ?The difference is absolute freedom.<br />
There are Different religions in American And these are the true freedom You are living in the freedoms country this has a price Your daughter Disobedience<br />
to your religion it is one of your Mistakes Introduce her to the religion by  proper education of it will reflected that to Ethics Background.<br />
not by Violence and Irregularity</p>
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		<title>By: VerySad</title>
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		<dc:creator>VerySad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sad, but I don&#039;t understand why does it always becomes about Islam and all that.. so if a crazy person does something and say Islam we all want to blame Islam or &quot;where these people come from&quot;. What about other stores where mothers and fathers have killed there kids, so by this logic we can pretty much blame any religion, society or culture. Just as an example 1. a guy in NY killed his daughter for txt msging (and no he was not Muslim&quot;
2. back in April a a guy in Washington State killed his son and 4 daughters because his wife was leaving him.

Point is that you have screwed up people in all states, countries, cultures who would use whatever excuse to justify the killing of another human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sad, but I don&#8217;t understand why does it always becomes about Islam and all that.. so if a crazy person does something and say Islam we all want to blame Islam or &#8220;where these people come from&#8221;. What about other stores where mothers and fathers have killed there kids, so by this logic we can pretty much blame any religion, society or culture. Just as an example 1. a guy in NY killed his daughter for txt msging (and no he was not Muslim&#8221;<br />
2. back in April a a guy in Washington State killed his son and 4 daughters because his wife was leaving him.</p>
<p>Point is that you have screwed up people in all states, countries, cultures who would use whatever excuse to justify the killing of another human.</p>
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