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	<title>Comments on: Row erupts over humanist poster in Belfast</title>
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		<title>By: Jordan Hardy</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/19/row-erupts-over-humanist-poster-in-belfast/comment-page-2/#comment-40285</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really can&#039;t imagine how this can actually be a charged issue. Are these religious people seriously against letting their children choose for themselves? How secure can you be in your beliefs when your actions suggest you think that no adult would choose them given the choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t imagine how this can actually be a charged issue. Are these religious people seriously against letting their children choose for themselves? How secure can you be in your beliefs when your actions suggest you think that no adult would choose them given the choice?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosita</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/19/row-erupts-over-humanist-poster-in-belfast/comment-page-2/#comment-38387</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those complaining about the ads have missed the point - naturally.

The point is not that parents should not teach their children about their prefered religious beliefs.  The point is that they should not label their children as adherents of their beliefs until they have had a chance to hear about and investigate other belief systems.  

That, of course, is what scares the pants off them.  They are terrified that their children will abandon their pet beliefs if they are exposed to other belief systems or, worse, to scientific knowledge.  They know, but cannot admit, that their beliefs are extremely fragile and will not stand up under objective investigation.  

Religous Believers are the polar opposite of those who have real knowledge.  Those with real knowledge go out of their way to stress and test their beliefs over and over again. If they break they amend them or throw them out.  They are not terrified of how they will cope with their lives if their pet beleifs are proved wrong.  

This is basically about the right to prevent one&#039;s children from being exposed to other people&#039;s differing ideas.  That&#039;s indoctrinated mis-education at its terrifying worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those complaining about the ads have missed the point &#8211; naturally.</p>
<p>The point is not that parents should not teach their children about their prefered religious beliefs.  The point is that they should not label their children as adherents of their beliefs until they have had a chance to hear about and investigate other belief systems.  </p>
<p>That, of course, is what scares the pants off them.  They are terrified that their children will abandon their pet beliefs if they are exposed to other belief systems or, worse, to scientific knowledge.  They know, but cannot admit, that their beliefs are extremely fragile and will not stand up under objective investigation.  </p>
<p>Religous Believers are the polar opposite of those who have real knowledge.  Those with real knowledge go out of their way to stress and test their beliefs over and over again. If they break they amend them or throw them out.  They are not terrified of how they will cope with their lives if their pet beleifs are proved wrong.  </p>
<p>This is basically about the right to prevent one&#8217;s children from being exposed to other people&#8217;s differing ideas.  That&#8217;s indoctrinated mis-education at its terrifying worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Des said:
&quot;Itâ€™s utterly untrue that atheists promote thinking and questioning. The word â€œatheistâ€ means someone who believes that it isnâ€™t possible for a deity to exist.&quot;

No, Des. That&#039;s not the definition of an atheist.  An atheist is someone who does not believe in the existence of gods, usually because they lack convincing evidence for one.  

Most atheists state that they believe it is extremely unlikely that gods exist but that they would change their minds if evidence was forthcoming.  

The few atheists (so-called strong atheists) who state that there is categorically no god usually do so on bhe grounds that the attributes asserted about gods (or at least the local god) are logically incompatable in the same way that black cannot also be wight. 

The Christian god is dismissed in this way by the Epicuras argument from evil: since evil exists in the world then if a god exists it cannot be both omnipotent and omnibenevolent. Ergo the Christian god either does not exist or the characteristics ascribed to him cannot be correct in which case why bother to worship it.  Of course, this still leaves open the possibility that a god exists that does not care about humans.

On the other hand, most right wing religionists believe that it is impossible for a god not to exist.  They are the ones who state that they would not stop believing in their version of god if they found evidence to disprove it.  That makes &lt;strong&gt;them&lt;/strong&gt; the bigots, not non-believers who are willing to change their mind based on the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Des said:<br />
&#8220;Itâ€™s utterly untrue that atheists promote thinking and questioning. The word â€œatheistâ€ means someone who believes that it isnâ€™t possible for a deity to exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, Des. That&#8217;s not the definition of an atheist.  An atheist is someone who does not believe in the existence of gods, usually because they lack convincing evidence for one.  </p>
<p>Most atheists state that they believe it is extremely unlikely that gods exist but that they would change their minds if evidence was forthcoming.  </p>
<p>The few atheists (so-called strong atheists) who state that there is categorically no god usually do so on bhe grounds that the attributes asserted about gods (or at least the local god) are logically incompatable in the same way that black cannot also be wight. </p>
<p>The Christian god is dismissed in this way by the Epicuras argument from evil: since evil exists in the world then if a god exists it cannot be both omnipotent and omnibenevolent. Ergo the Christian god either does not exist or the characteristics ascribed to him cannot be correct in which case why bother to worship it.  Of course, this still leaves open the possibility that a god exists that does not care about humans.</p>
<p>On the other hand, most right wing religionists believe that it is impossible for a god not to exist.  They are the ones who state that they would not stop believing in their version of god if they found evidence to disprove it.  That makes <strong>them</strong> the bigots, not non-believers who are willing to change their mind based on the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosita</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/19/row-erupts-over-humanist-poster-in-belfast/comment-page-2/#comment-38383</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry Duke said:

&quot;Itâ€™s becoming more and more common for Muslims to claim that people who convert to Islam are actually REVERTING!&quot;

Does thie mean we will now hear:

&quot;I used to be &lt;strike&gt;an atheist&lt;/strike&gt; a Muslim, but now I am a Christian. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Duke said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s becoming more and more common for Muslims to claim that people who convert to Islam are actually REVERTING!&#8221;</p>
<p>Does thie mean we will now hear:</p>
<p>&#8220;I used to be <strike>an atheist</strike> a Muslim, but now I am a Christian. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/19/row-erupts-over-humanist-poster-in-belfast/comment-page-2/#comment-24835</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this could also apply to circumcision. keep your jesus off my penis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this could also apply to circumcision. keep your jesus off my penis.</p>
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		<title>By: David Eddy</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/19/row-erupts-over-humanist-poster-in-belfast/comment-page-2/#comment-24814</link>
		<dc:creator>David Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just keep this up please
We all know the results of the power of religion on all or our various societies from genocide to child abuse.  We have to hold them to account.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just keep this up please<br />
We all know the results of the power of religion on all or our various societies from genocide to child abuse.  We have to hold them to account.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it ironic that they&#039;d cry hypocrisy at a poster asking for objectivity.  This poster isn&#039;t even endorsing humanism, since it affords a child responsibility in faith, something most faith leaders would preach about.  Apparently Confirmation is just a formality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it ironic that they&#8217;d cry hypocrisy at a poster asking for objectivity.  This poster isn&#8217;t even endorsing humanism, since it affords a child responsibility in faith, something most faith leaders would preach about.  Apparently Confirmation is just a formality?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we have hit a nerve.  I was raised Catholic, so had never thought of it before, but a neighbor who was raised by more open minded parents said he believed forcing children into a particular religion was &quot;child abuse&quot;.  Just some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we have hit a nerve.  I was raised Catholic, so had never thought of it before, but a neighbor who was raised by more open minded parents said he believed forcing children into a particular religion was &#8220;child abuse&#8221;.  Just some food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not the only one Wolfy.  I don&#039;t live in Belfast, but I do live in Northern Ireland.  Adverts like this were always going to cause outrage here, mainly because the country is still controlled by the religious right.  Like someone said previously the DUP and Free Presbyterian labels are interchangeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not the only one Wolfy.  I don&#8217;t live in Belfast, but I do live in Northern Ireland.  Adverts like this were always going to cause outrage here, mainly because the country is still controlled by the religious right.  Like someone said previously the DUP and Free Presbyterian labels are interchangeable.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this makes me want to cry.
I LIVE there..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this makes me want to cry.<br />
I LIVE there..</p>
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