Comments on: Abuse scandal: Catholic Church slammed in Irish report for ‘obsessive’ cover-ups http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/ The voice of atheism since 1881 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:36:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rayne http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-28557 Rayne Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:12:45 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-28557 Why blame the Church for acts of certain bad eggs within It? Amongst every 12 there is always a Judas. The Priests who happen to be of the Roman Catholic Persuasion committed these crimes and certain Terrible bishops aided and abetted the covering up of these crimes, pedophilia is not condoned in the Catholic Church and besides, these so called priests where not forced into the priesthood, they made an informed choice to join the priesthood for their own devious purposes and as such should be Prosecuted and Punished for all their crimes. Why blame the Church for acts of certain bad eggs within It? Amongst every 12 there is always a Judas. The Priests who happen to be of the Roman Catholic Persuasion committed these crimes and certain Terrible bishops aided and abetted the covering up of these crimes, pedophilia is not condoned in the Catholic Church and besides, these so called priests where not forced into the priesthood, they made an informed choice to join the priesthood for their own devious purposes and as such should be Prosecuted and Punished for all their crimes.

]]> By: Dr Balavendrian http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-25947 Dr Balavendrian Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:51:24 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-25947 its high time the pope brings back the tradition . kick out the modernist and the liberals. this guys are Freemason the church. so the church cannot be blamed the one who holds rank should be crucified . The church should pay compensation for this abuse its like paying the prostitutes for their service what a joke . this Bastards who abuse the roman catholic faith can join the other denomination or form their own churches . it where they belong or join the gay church. this bastards have no place in the Roman catholic church. its high time the pope does this rubbish recycling .we have collocated enough of Rubbish in Vatican two . The Roman catholic church is being high jacked in Europe don't try in Asia only Death sentence like china. knights templar( Benedictine Oblate) its high time the pope brings back the tradition . kick out the modernist and the liberals. this guys are Freemason the church. so the church cannot be blamed the one who holds rank should be crucified . The church should pay compensation for this abuse its like paying the prostitutes for their service what a joke . this Bastards who abuse the roman catholic faith can join the other denomination or form their own churches . it where they belong or join the gay church. this bastards have no place in the Roman catholic church. its high time the pope does this rubbish recycling .we have collocated enough of Rubbish in Vatican two . The Roman catholic church is being high jacked in Europe don’t try in Asia only Death sentence like china.
knights templar( Benedictine Oblate)

]]> By: roy ross http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-25063 roy ross Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:48:21 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-25063 I would never leave the church.The church did no wrong,the prist, biships and popes over the years did.They should all be charged and JAILED for LIFE.Not one of them is fit for anything.I'm sure God will judge them-sufer not the little childern-. I would never leave the church.The church did no wrong,the prist, biships and popes over the years did.They should all be charged and JAILED for LIFE.Not one of them is fit for anything.I’m sure God will judge them-sufer not the little childern-.

]]> By: David B http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24883 David B Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:26:11 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24883 Below I quote an extract from a comment I made at Pharyngula, concerning the report of the scandal of the Dublin diocese. 'Might I suggest that those of us who are lapsed Catholics take steps to formally leave the church in protest. I link to a website with which I have no personal connection which facilitates this process. If others here would help publicise this, in blogs, discussion boards, social messaging sites...then that would be good, too. http://www.countmeout.ie/' As I type 3783 have filled out the relevant 'Declaration of Defection'. It would, I hope, give a strong message to the RCC if those readers who are lapsed Catholics would take the trouble to formally leave the church, and to have a record of their leaving added to their baptismal records. Perhaps any Catholic readers here who retain their faith in God might also consider formally leaving the RCC in protest at the institutional cover-up - I suspect that they could find a religious home in a Church of England which would be less homophobic and misogynist if some of its battier members secede to Rome, as appears to be on the cards. Though how they could now reconcile doing so with their consciences after the latest report defeats me. It would be a nice irony were some Catholics to formally resign, and secede to the CoE, anyway. Though, as I say, I have no personal connection with either the Catholic Church or the Count Me Out website, I'd be grateful if readers do use the website to leave if they no longer wish to be counted as members of the RCC, and for others to help publicise the option of formally leaving on blogs, discussion boards, Social networking sites etc. David B Below I quote an extract from a comment I made at Pharyngula, concerning the report of the scandal of the Dublin diocese.

‘Might I suggest that those of us who are lapsed Catholics take steps to formally leave the church in protest.

I link to a website with which I have no personal connection which facilitates this process. If others here would help publicise this, in blogs, discussion boards, social messaging sites…then that would be good, too.

http://www.countmeout.ie/‘

As I type 3783 have filled out the relevant ‘Declaration of Defection’.

It would, I hope, give a strong message to the RCC if those readers who are lapsed Catholics would take the trouble to formally leave the church, and to have a record of their leaving added to their baptismal records.

Perhaps any Catholic readers here who retain their faith in God might also consider formally leaving the RCC in protest at the institutional cover-up – I suspect that they could find a religious home in a Church of England which would be less homophobic and misogynist if some of its battier members secede to Rome, as appears to be on the cards. Though how they could now reconcile doing so with their consciences after the latest report defeats me.

It would be a nice irony were some Catholics to formally resign, and secede to the CoE, anyway.

Though, as I say, I have no personal connection with either the Catholic Church or the Count Me Out website, I’d be grateful if readers do use the website to leave if they no longer wish to be counted as members of the RCC, and for others to help publicise the option of formally leaving on blogs, discussion boards, Social networking sites etc.

David B

]]> By: barriejohn http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24876 barriejohn Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:14:57 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24876 Even the writer of the Epistle to the Romans (whoever that was) couldn't get the better of his "inner demons"! Read Chapter Seven if you don't believe me!! Even the writer of the Epistle to the Romans (whoever that was) couldn’t get the better of his “inner demons”! Read Chapter Seven if you don’t believe me!!

]]> By: H. Allison http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24867 H. Allison Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:01:41 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24867 Michael, At least you got that one right, the weakness of MAN. In this case to keep his hands off of little children for his perveted sexual desires. Obviously Paul's great experiment of being celibate for the lord is just a hoax. This goes against the very core of human desires. If the Catholic doctrines weren't so sexually oppressed, maybe they would have avoided all of these scandels. Let them marry and have their natural desires be fullfilled. Nope, they believe they are above it all, but the truth is they are NOT!!! Michael, At least you got that one right, the weakness of MAN. In this case to keep his hands off of little children for his perveted sexual desires. Obviously Paul’s great experiment of being celibate for the lord is just a hoax. This goes against the very core of human desires. If the Catholic doctrines weren’t so sexually oppressed, maybe they would have avoided all of these scandels. Let them marry and have their natural desires be fullfilled. Nope, they believe they are above it all, but the truth is they are NOT!!!

]]> By: michael http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24865 michael Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:03:56 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24865 MMmm……………. An old fashion cyber stoning of the weakness of man, no matter his calling. It will be once more, that through Grace and Grace alone that The Way will find its way forward. MMmm……………. An old fashion cyber stoning of the weakness of man, no matter his calling. It will be once more, that through Grace and Grace alone that The Way will find its way forward.

]]> By: Richard http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24842 Richard Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:38:49 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24842 It’s a simple question taking in the Church’s history since its official formation in its present form by Emperor Constantine how can a civilized world continue to let this institution create the illusion that they represent the faithful believers of “Jesus Christ”. Does the Vatican and its many branches represent the teachings of our Lord” The answer is simple “No” The Pope and the Catholic Church as an institution should be renounced and all official recognition from every nation should be revoked. Let the priest and true believers in the teachings of “Jesus Christ” leave the “Church” and go out in the same fashion as did our “Lord” and preach the gospel to its people as free men without the burden or restraints of the “Official Doctrine of The Pope and the Vatican. Let the institution of the “Vatican” and all it represents be denied any legitimacy by the people of the world and may it be done in our time. It’s a simple question taking in the Church’s history since its official formation in its present form by Emperor Constantine how can a civilized world continue to let this institution create the illusion that they represent the faithful believers of “Jesus Christ”. Does the Vatican and its many branches represent the teachings of our Lord” The answer is simple “No” The Pope and the Catholic Church as an institution should be renounced and all official recognition from every nation should be revoked. Let the priest and true believers in the teachings of “Jesus Christ” leave the “Church” and go out in the same fashion as did our “Lord” and preach the gospel to its people as free men without the burden or restraints of the “Official Doctrine of The Pope and the Vatican. Let the institution of the “Vatican” and all it represents be denied any legitimacy by the people of the world and may it be done in our time.

]]> By: Broga http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24840 Broga Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:36:34 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24840 This morning I decided to listen to Thought for the Day - wondering whether the Dublin Horror might get a mention. The speaker, and I hope I got this right, was one Roy Jenkins of the Baptist persuasion. Mr Jenkins began rather promisingly as he got to work on the wish of the public to get to work on the outcomes of the Chilcott Enquiry into Iraq. Some comments about our readiness to blame, lack of understanding of the difficulties of our leaders and then winding up with some wise words from Jesus about "judge not" etc. Not a word,not a mention, about the horrors perpetrated and revealed in Dublin. Instead, we get the patronising, sanctimonious sludge of a religious speaker keeping clear of any critcism of other preachers. How much longer can this nauseating programme be allowed to continue. If ever there was a damning example of the religious closed shop not criticising its ownb then this was it. This morning I decided to listen to Thought for the Day – wondering whether the Dublin Horror might get a mention. The speaker, and I hope I got this right, was one Roy Jenkins of the Baptist persuasion. Mr Jenkins began rather promisingly as he got to work on the wish of the public to get to work on the outcomes of the Chilcott Enquiry into Iraq. Some comments about our readiness to blame, lack of understanding of the difficulties of our leaders and then winding up with some wise words from Jesus about “judge not” etc.

Not a word,not a mention, about the horrors perpetrated and revealed in Dublin. Instead, we get the patronising, sanctimonious sludge of a religious speaker keeping clear of any critcism of other preachers. How much longer can this nauseating programme be allowed to continue. If ever there was a damning example of the religious closed shop not criticising its ownb then this was it.

]]> By: Buffy http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/abuse-scandal-catholic-church-slammed-in-irish-report-for-%e2%80%98obsessive%e2%80%99-cover-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-24813 Buffy Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:40:55 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=9965#comment-24813 Pope Nazi will come out any day to scream about how rights for gays and atheists are ruining the world. Then he'll mention that yes, the abuse was a bad thing but not nearly as bad as what those nasty homos are doing to the world with all their demands for people to stop killing them and all. Pope Nazi will come out any day to scream about how rights for gays and atheists are ruining the world. Then he’ll mention that yes, the abuse was a bad thing but not nearly as bad as what those nasty homos are doing to the world with all their demands for people to stop killing them and all.

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