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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-25096</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you got to read it, Brian!</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Worley</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-25035</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Worley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barriejohn, I appreciate the info. I believe there is a lot more than what we might know around the British Israelism belief and power politics in our world.

I looked up Pyramidology and &quot;red flags&quot; went up when I saw Charles Taze Russell&#039;s name involved (Jehovah Witness). I&#039;ll just leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barriejohn, I appreciate the info. I believe there is a lot more than what we might know around the British Israelism belief and power politics in our world.</p>
<p>I looked up Pyramidology and &#8220;red flags&#8221; went up when I saw Charles Taze Russell&#8217;s name involved (Jehovah Witness). I&#8217;ll just leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-25031</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s magic!! (Pity I didn&#039;t get the opportunity to edit, though!)</description>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-25022</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian Worley: I have just written a very long reply to your comment re British Israelism, and it has disappeared! If it doesn&#039;t show up later I might have another go some time, but I can&#039;t face writing it all out again now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian Worley: I have just written a very long reply to your comment re British Israelism, and it has disappeared! If it doesn&#8217;t show up later I might have another go some time, but I can&#8217;t face writing it all out again now!</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-25020</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the delay in posting this reply, Brian, as I was unaware of your latest comment!

In answer to your question, I don&#039;t think that there were any suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of Jim Rutherford, as Britons are almost oblivious of this British Israelism nonsense. I do know that it is very widely held in America, and was myself almost hooked by Herbert W. Armstrong and his &lt;i&gt;Worldwide Church of God&lt;/i&gt; when a young Christian! I used to listen to his broadcasts (from Pasadena, Cal. then) on Radio Luxembourg in the evening. (British readers will know what I am referring to there - it was a commercial station which we used to tune into to listen to the latest pop records, when the BBC aired little such music. The religiots, and Football Pools &quot;wizards&quot; etc, supported the station by buying time for their programmes or advertising slots. Billy Graham&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Hour of Decision&lt;/i&gt; was broadcast every Friday evening, and although I am now an atheist, I still consider remember many of his sermons, and honestly consider him to be the best public speaker I have ever heard, without a shadow of a doubt.) I even signed up to Armstrong&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Plain Truth&lt;/i&gt; magazine before I was shown the error of my ways. (I made the unforgiveable mistake of stating publicly what a great Bible teacher he was!) It wouldn&#039;t surprise you at all to know that almost all the people who went on Jim Rutherford&#039;s escorted trips to Egypt were Americans, and I assume that THEY were the buyers of the books which quite literally filled his home, as well. What might surprise you, though, is the fact that so many English aristocrats and royals also believed this tosh. It is said that King George VI was a believer, and that wouldn&#039;t surprise me one little bit. Don&#039;t forget that, even when I was a young man, they kept banging on about how the War was as good as lost before the Dunkirk evacuation, but that a National Day of Prayer, and the subsequent divine intervention ,turned the tide! Even our present Queen seems to think that there is something &quot;mystical&quot; about her anointing at Westminster in 1953, and Prince Charles, of course, has the most weird &quot;New Age&quot; ideas. (None of the royal family appear terribly &quot;bright&quot; either, I must add!) It wouldn&#039;t come as a shock to me to learn that they really do believe that there is an unbroken line from the Queen back to King David, daft as that idea seems to us, and that all those promises to Abraham are to be fulfilled through the British people and ruling family!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the delay in posting this reply, Brian, as I was unaware of your latest comment!</p>
<p>In answer to your question, I don&#8217;t think that there were any suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of Jim Rutherford, as Britons are almost oblivious of this British Israelism nonsense. I do know that it is very widely held in America, and was myself almost hooked by Herbert W. Armstrong and his <i>Worldwide Church of God</i> when a young Christian! I used to listen to his broadcasts (from Pasadena, Cal. then) on Radio Luxembourg in the evening. (British readers will know what I am referring to there &#8211; it was a commercial station which we used to tune into to listen to the latest pop records, when the BBC aired little such music. The religiots, and Football Pools &#8220;wizards&#8221; etc, supported the station by buying time for their programmes or advertising slots. Billy Graham&#8217;s <i>Hour of Decision</i> was broadcast every Friday evening, and although I am now an atheist, I still consider remember many of his sermons, and honestly consider him to be the best public speaker I have ever heard, without a shadow of a doubt.) I even signed up to Armstrong&#8217;s <i>Plain Truth</i> magazine before I was shown the error of my ways. (I made the unforgiveable mistake of stating publicly what a great Bible teacher he was!) It wouldn&#8217;t surprise you at all to know that almost all the people who went on Jim Rutherford&#8217;s escorted trips to Egypt were Americans, and I assume that THEY were the buyers of the books which quite literally filled his home, as well. What might surprise you, though, is the fact that so many English aristocrats and royals also believed this tosh. It is said that King George VI was a believer, and that wouldn&#8217;t surprise me one little bit. Don&#8217;t forget that, even when I was a young man, they kept banging on about how the War was as good as lost before the Dunkirk evacuation, but that a National Day of Prayer, and the subsequent divine intervention ,turned the tide! Even our present Queen seems to think that there is something &#8220;mystical&#8221; about her anointing at Westminster in 1953, and Prince Charles, of course, has the most weird &#8220;New Age&#8221; ideas. (None of the royal family appear terribly &#8220;bright&#8221; either, I must add!) It wouldn&#8217;t come as a shock to me to learn that they really do believe that there is an unbroken line from the Queen back to King David, daft as that idea seems to us, and that all those promises to Abraham are to be fulfilled through the British people and ruling family!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Worley</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-24898</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Worley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barriejohn, I am pleased to see that your alert to this! I will look that Pyramidology up! There are groups of these in America, especially in the Pacific Northwest.

Lately, I have been looking into the subject a little deeper than before. I have been reading Arthur Koestler&#039;s wonderful &quot;The Thirteenth Tribe&quot; and the remarkable Khazar Empire that somehow avoided conversion to Christianity and Islam. Only 70 something pages deep so far.

I&#039;m curious, was foul play suspected in the tragic death you mentioned?

The racist Christian Identity movement is involved in this stuff as well. This religion sure would fit nicely (convienient) with some establishment political ideology it seems. I hope that someone might add something to our mini discussion here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barriejohn, I am pleased to see that your alert to this! I will look that Pyramidology up! There are groups of these in America, especially in the Pacific Northwest.</p>
<p>Lately, I have been looking into the subject a little deeper than before. I have been reading Arthur Koestler&#8217;s wonderful &#8220;The Thirteenth Tribe&#8221; and the remarkable Khazar Empire that somehow avoided conversion to Christianity and Islam. Only 70 something pages deep so far.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, was foul play suspected in the tragic death you mentioned?</p>
<p>The racist Christian Identity movement is involved in this stuff as well. This religion sure would fit nicely (convienient) with some establishment political ideology it seems. I hope that someone might add something to our mini discussion here?</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-24892</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Harwood: We in England have for years been subjected to the inane ramblings of Graham Hancock, an &quot;historian&quot; whose only academic qualification as far as I can determine is a degree in Sociology! He has written several books on subjects like the Pyramids, the Sphinx, the Ark of the Covenant, and so on, and in particular in support of his pet theory that the Atlanteans passed on their ancient technological knowledge to early man. Strangely enough he has also featured in TV documentaries on such subjects, and has been given the opportunity to expound his bizarre theories in national newspapers, doubtless at great profit to himself. I believe that most English readers of this blog would know to whom I was referring in my remarks! He made an official complaint over the way that a BBC &lt;i&gt;Horizon&lt;/i&gt; programme criticised his ideas, but only one point of his was upheld out of eight (so he naturally claims on his website that they &quot;found in his favour&quot;), and a modified version of the programme was then broadcast. I did quote him recently on here (and this is a good one!):

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If I&#039;m right and our whole conception of prehistory is wrong...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

As I said before - spot the deliberate mistake!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Harwood: We in England have for years been subjected to the inane ramblings of Graham Hancock, an &#8220;historian&#8221; whose only academic qualification as far as I can determine is a degree in Sociology! He has written several books on subjects like the Pyramids, the Sphinx, the Ark of the Covenant, and so on, and in particular in support of his pet theory that the Atlanteans passed on their ancient technological knowledge to early man. Strangely enough he has also featured in TV documentaries on such subjects, and has been given the opportunity to expound his bizarre theories in national newspapers, doubtless at great profit to himself. I believe that most English readers of this blog would know to whom I was referring in my remarks! He made an official complaint over the way that a BBC <i>Horizon</i> programme criticised his ideas, but only one point of his was upheld out of eight (so he naturally claims on his website that they &#8220;found in his favour&#8221;), and a modified version of the programme was then broadcast. I did quote him recently on here (and this is a good one!):</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If I&#8217;m right and our whole conception of prehistory is wrong&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>As I said before &#8211; spot the deliberate mistake!!</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-24874</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Final paragraph of the &lt;i&gt;Pyramidology&lt;/i&gt; book which I have:

 &lt;i&gt;&quot;When, in early 1918, we were hard pressed by Germany and almost on our beam ends, the nation at last fell on its knees, the tide turned, and from that day victory was assured: so will it be in the war of Armageddon.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

 Better start praying, brethren!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Final paragraph of the <i>Pyramidology</i> book which I have:</p>
<p> <i>&#8220;When, in early 1918, we were hard pressed by Germany and almost on our beam ends, the nation at last fell on its knees, the tide turned, and from that day victory was assured: so will it be in the war of Armageddon.&#8221;</i></p>
<p> Better start praying, brethren!</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/26/did-jesus-ever-visit-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-24872</link>
		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Brian Worley. The British Israelites are still going strong! A lot of aristocrats and other establishment figures used to believe all that nonsense, eg that the word &lt;i&gt;Saxons&lt;/i&gt; originally derived from the phrase &quot;Isaac&#039;s sons&quot; (I am NOT making this up!). White, Christian Europeans are all descendents of the &quot;Lost Ten Tribes of Israel&quot;, of course, so have a stake in God&#039;s ancient promises to that nation. Closely allied to this was the wonderful belief of &quot;Pyramidology&quot;. My late friend was very friendly with Jim Rutherford (killed, tragically, by a hit-and-run driver some years ago), the son of its leading light, Adam Rutherford, and I have a copy of his book &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Great Pyramid  - The Bible in Stone&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. Up until the time of his death Jim was still selling &lt;i&gt;Pyramidology&lt;/i&gt; literature from his home and conducting tours to Egypt, even though he didn&#039;t believe any of the nonsense himself!  There&#039;s a very good page on Wikipedia about &lt;i&gt;Pyramidology&lt;/i&gt;, which is also worth looking at. Basically, it is a belief that the Great Pyramid held within its structure the key to future events. As with all such theories (see Nostradamus et al), it is absolutely wonderful at &quot;predicting&quot; the events leading up to the time of the interpreter (whoever that might be) but equally HOPELESS at predicting what events are going to follow that particular era!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Brian Worley. The British Israelites are still going strong! A lot of aristocrats and other establishment figures used to believe all that nonsense, eg that the word <i>Saxons</i> originally derived from the phrase &#8220;Isaac&#8217;s sons&#8221; (I am NOT making this up!). White, Christian Europeans are all descendents of the &#8220;Lost Ten Tribes of Israel&#8221;, of course, so have a stake in God&#8217;s ancient promises to that nation. Closely allied to this was the wonderful belief of &#8220;Pyramidology&#8221;. My late friend was very friendly with Jim Rutherford (killed, tragically, by a hit-and-run driver some years ago), the son of its leading light, Adam Rutherford, and I have a copy of his book <i>&#8220;The Great Pyramid  &#8211; The Bible in Stone&#8221;</i>. Up until the time of his death Jim was still selling <i>Pyramidology</i> literature from his home and conducting tours to Egypt, even though he didn&#8217;t believe any of the nonsense himself!  There&#8217;s a very good page on Wikipedia about <i>Pyramidology</i>, which is also worth looking at. Basically, it is a belief that the Great Pyramid held within its structure the key to future events. As with all such theories (see Nostradamus et al), it is absolutely wonderful at &#8220;predicting&#8221; the events leading up to the time of the interpreter (whoever that might be) but equally HOPELESS at predicting what events are going to follow that particular era!!</p>
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		<title>By: Wasp_Box</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wasp_Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have read &quot;The Power of Women&quot; by Guy Bellamy haven&#039;t you (if you haven&#039;t - try him, he&#039;s very amusing)? This is a blatant rip-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have read &#8220;The Power of Women&#8221; by Guy Bellamy haven&#8217;t you (if you haven&#8217;t &#8211; try him, he&#8217;s very amusing)? This is a blatant rip-off.</p>
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