Comments on: Desperate Church of England turns to cradle-snatching to boost falling numbers http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/ The voice of atheism since 1881 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:40:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: hallison http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26227 hallison Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:06:47 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26227 Ignorance, religion has been the root of all ignorance!! How much money have all the church's collecting over the millenia??? Tax free I might add. The aggorance comes from religons of the world espousing to claims of truth. Let all the churches of the world open their coffers now and help the poor instead of using their riches to convert new members or wait, build new marble temples!!!! Ignorance, religion has been the root of all ignorance!! How much money have all the church’s collecting over the millenia??? Tax free I might add. The aggorance comes from religons of the world espousing to claims of truth. Let all the churches of the world open their coffers now and help the poor instead of using their riches to convert new members or wait, build new marble temples!!!!

]]> By: Mariano http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26187 Mariano Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:30:25 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26187 Fedupwith, This is merely more atheist propaganda as Richard Dawkins wonders whether there is occasion for “society stepping in” and hopes that such efforts “might lead children to choose no religion at all.” Dawkins also supports the atheist summer camp “Camp Quest.” Phillip Pullman states the following about his “fictional” books for children, “I don't think I'm writing fantasy. I think I'm writing realism. My books are psychologically real.” But what does he really write about? As he has admitted, “My books are about killing God” and “I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief.” More evidence here: http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/11/deceptive-manipulative-propagandist.html Yet again, atheists are collecting “amazing sums” during a time of worldwide recession not in order to help anyone in real material need but in order to attempt to demonstrate just how clever they consider themselves to be—while actually loudly, proudly and expensively demonstrating their ignorance and arrogance—need any more be said? Fedupwith,
This is merely more atheist propaganda as Richard Dawkins wonders whether there is occasion for “society stepping in” and hopes that such efforts “might lead children to choose no religion at all.” Dawkins also supports the atheist summer camp “Camp Quest.”

Phillip Pullman states the following about his “fictional” books for children, “I don’t think I’m writing fantasy. I think I’m writing realism. My books are psychologically real.” But what does he really write about? As he has admitted, “My books are about killing God” and “I’m trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief.”

More evidence here:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot......ndist.html

Yet again, atheists are collecting “amazing sums” during a time of worldwide recession not in order to help anyone in real material need but in order to attempt to demonstrate just how clever they consider themselves to be—while actually loudly, proudly and expensively demonstrating their ignorance and arrogance—need any more be said?

]]> By: jay http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26186 jay Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:19:03 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26186 <i>People who are complaining about this wouldn’t blink an eye about environmentalists coming into schools and talking.</i> That same thought occurred to me. It is not the 'reaching out' that bothers me, but I don't think it belongs in the publix schools. There are various types of indoctrination that children go through, including the virtually useless personal rituals they are taught to 'save the planet'. And many of us support active attempts to hook them on science, or music, or art... Though I don't believe in the religious garbage I fully understand how they want to 'reach out' to youth. The important thing is that sufficient controls be in place to prevent it's being coercive. People who are complaining about this wouldn’t blink an eye about environmentalists coming into schools and talking.

That same thought occurred to me. It is not the ‘reaching out’ that bothers me, but I don’t think it belongs in the publix schools. There are various types of indoctrination that children go through, including the virtually useless personal rituals they are taught to ‘save the planet’.

And many of us support active attempts to hook them on science, or music, or art…

Though I don’t believe in the religious garbage I fully understand how they want to ‘reach out’ to youth. The important thing is that sufficient controls be in place to prevent it’s being coercive.

]]> By: hallison http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26100 hallison Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:13:41 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26100 Never better than to get them young and impressionable!! Never better than to get them young and impressionable!!

]]> By: hallison http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26099 hallison Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:11:50 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26099 LOL, Eric, children are impressionable, and yes if you get them young you will be better able to indoctrinate them. However, that is the whole point, why the need to convert them into the church's way of thinking so young??? Let them experience all things and make their own decisions as an adult. What are you afraid of, the TRUTH?? I call most religous beliefs hand me down religion. For if you were given the choice, the fairy tales taught in church would be just that, fairy tales. It's a business just like any other, the more participents, the more money!! They are in the business of selling their version of GOD. Isn't time we all grew up and call a spade a spade, Jesus was a myth, a good one I might add, but still a myth and the whole Christian Religon a movement by others that didn't even know him first hand nor did they have first hand knowledge of anything he may have said or done. NO evidence, NO witnessess, NONE. Did he exist, maybe but the evidence is surely lacking. LOL, Eric, children are impressionable, and yes if you get them young you will be better able to indoctrinate them. However, that is the whole point, why the need to convert them into the church’s way of thinking so young??? Let them experience all things and make their own decisions as an adult. What are you afraid of, the TRUTH?? I call most religous beliefs hand me down religion. For if you were given the choice, the fairy tales taught in church would be just that, fairy tales. It’s a business just like any other, the more participents, the more money!! They are in the business of selling their version of GOD. Isn’t time we all grew up and call a spade a spade, Jesus was a myth, a good one I might add, but still a myth and the whole Christian Religon a movement by others that didn’t even know him first hand nor did they have first hand knowledge of anything he may have said or done. NO evidence, NO witnessess, NONE. Did he exist, maybe but the evidence is surely lacking.

]]> By: Kurbster http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26090 Kurbster Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:47:35 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26090 The catholic church has been running a 30 seconds TV ad ever since Thanksgiving here in the USA. At work, the ad played while I was having break. One of our oldest, most pleasant, patriotic co-workers just blurted out "They should also advertise about the all-you-can-eat kiddie buffet, too." If my heart could cry, it would of cried tears of joy after I heard that ^^ The catholic church has been running a 30 seconds TV ad ever since Thanksgiving here in the USA. At work, the ad played while I was having break. One of our oldest, most pleasant, patriotic co-workers just blurted out “They should also advertise about the all-you-can-eat kiddie buffet, too.” If my heart could cry, it would of cried tears of joy after I heard that ^^

]]> By: Stonyground http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26084 Stonyground Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:22:24 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26084 It has suddenly occurred to me that Christians were dead right to be afraid of Harry Potter. Children understand that Harry's world is a fantasy and that it is not actually real, surely this makes the fantasy world of Christianity a much harder sell. As for the sad and increasingly desperate CofE, surely they deserve every second of their excruciatingly slow agonising death*. Let us point and laugh at them in their anguish since their latest venture is so despicable and yet still doomed to humiliating failure. *Especially given their crass and inhumane position on assisted suicide. It has suddenly occurred to me that Christians were dead right to be afraid of Harry Potter. Children understand that Harry’s world is a fantasy and that it is not actually real, surely this makes the fantasy world of Christianity a much harder sell.

As for the sad and increasingly desperate CofE, surely they deserve every second of their excruciatingly slow agonising death*. Let us point and laugh at them in their anguish since their latest venture is so despicable and yet still doomed to humiliating failure.

*Especially given their crass and inhumane position on assisted suicide.

]]> By: Eric http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26081 Eric Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:07:31 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26081 Other than the whole prayer in school thing, I don't see anything that should be controversial. So the Church of England wants to attract young people. It should be doing that. You don't wait to teach your faith until after someone is an adult. That's defacto teaching atheism. The church should be involved in the community and trying to share what they believe is true. Nothing should be controversial about that. People who are complaining about this wouldn't blink an eye about environmentalists coming into schools and talking. A lot of what many environmentalists say isn't exactly portrayed with as much certainty or accuracy as they would like to pretend though. I'm certainly not saying they shouldn't come in, but the church is going for much less and is for some reason villainized much more for it. Other than the whole prayer in school thing, I don’t see anything that should be controversial. So the Church of England wants to attract young people. It should be doing that. You don’t wait to teach your faith until after someone is an adult. That’s defacto teaching atheism. The church should be involved in the community and trying to share what they believe is true. Nothing should be controversial about that.

People who are complaining about this wouldn’t blink an eye about environmentalists coming into schools and talking. A lot of what many environmentalists say isn’t exactly portrayed with as much certainty or accuracy as they would like to pretend though. I’m certainly not saying they shouldn’t come in, but the church is going for much less and is for some reason villainized much more for it.

]]> By: valdemar http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26068 valdemar Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:15:36 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26068 State-funded church schools and compulsory Christian worship, and they still fail. They really are crap, aren't they? State-funded church schools and compulsory Christian worship, and they still fail. They really are crap, aren’t they?

]]> By: Buffy http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/28/desperate-church-of-england-turns-to-cradle-snatching-to-boost-falling-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-26060 Buffy Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:08:42 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=10653#comment-26060 Yet they insist gay people are "recruiting" children. Talk about projection. Yet they insist gay people are “recruiting” children. Talk about projection.

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