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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your words are very careless Mark. 

The DUP are not the political wing of anybody. Where did you get this garbage from? Thatâ€™s like saying Sinn Fein are the political wing of the Roman Catholic church! Itâ€™s not. The DUP attract a sizable vote from both the churched and unchurched Protestant and is not dependent on fundamentalists. It is a mainly working class party that attracts a working class vote. Like all the political parties they have millionaires among their electorate but to say â€˜manyâ€™ is a gross exaggeration. The evangelical vote you will find goes to the more moderate Unionist and Alliance parties and the millionaires you guess at are more than likely to be found in their midst. For example the richest part of NI, the â€˜Gold Coastâ€™ is Lady Sylvia Hermonâ€™s seat.

You speculate much with far too many unsubstantiated theories. Perhaps you would like to give your opinion on proven tax evasion, money laundering, cross border racketeering and criminality among Sinn Fein supporters in South Armagh too. And perhaps the odd death here and there. 

Were you equally astounded to find out how many Sinn Fein and SDLP MPs MLAs and Councillors go to the same chapel, are related to each other and have relatives working for them. Thought not.   

The majority of the DUP are not members of the Orange Order! The OO probably wish they were. The Independent Orange Order would probably claim some. The Orange Order should not renowned for its murderous hate of Catholics anymore than the GAA be renowned for its murderous hate of the British/Protestants. People who belong to the OO and GAA have carried out foul deeds but should not be held symptomatic of their respective organisations. Both organisations however have an unacceptable anti-element attached to them which should be condemned. 
  
This sound like a defence of the DUP.  It&#039;s not. I can&#039;t stand them as I have already stated in previous post. But there are two sides to every story and closed minds and irrational thought processs are not the monopoly of one side of the community. 

Perhaps Iâ€™ll have opened your mind Mark to investigating Northern Ireland/Six Counties properly instead of depending on spin National Enquirer-like rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your words are very careless Mark. </p>
<p>The DUP are not the political wing of anybody. Where did you get this garbage from? Thatâ€™s like saying Sinn Fein are the political wing of the Roman Catholic church! Itâ€™s not. The DUP attract a sizable vote from both the churched and unchurched Protestant and is not dependent on fundamentalists. It is a mainly working class party that attracts a working class vote. Like all the political parties they have millionaires among their electorate but to say â€˜manyâ€™ is a gross exaggeration. The evangelical vote you will find goes to the more moderate Unionist and Alliance parties and the millionaires you guess at are more than likely to be found in their midst. For example the richest part of NI, the â€˜Gold Coastâ€™ is Lady Sylvia Hermonâ€™s seat.</p>
<p>You speculate much with far too many unsubstantiated theories. Perhaps you would like to give your opinion on proven tax evasion, money laundering, cross border racketeering and criminality among Sinn Fein supporters in South Armagh too. And perhaps the odd death here and there. </p>
<p>Were you equally astounded to find out how many Sinn Fein and SDLP MPs MLAs and Councillors go to the same chapel, are related to each other and have relatives working for them. Thought not.   </p>
<p>The majority of the DUP are not members of the Orange Order! The OO probably wish they were. The Independent Orange Order would probably claim some. The Orange Order should not renowned for its murderous hate of Catholics anymore than the GAA be renowned for its murderous hate of the British/Protestants. People who belong to the OO and GAA have carried out foul deeds but should not be held symptomatic of their respective organisations. Both organisations however have an unacceptable anti-element attached to them which should be condemned. </p>
<p>This sound like a defence of the DUP.  It&#8217;s not. I can&#8217;t stand them as I have already stated in previous post. But there are two sides to every story and closed minds and irrational thought processs are not the monopoly of one side of the community. </p>
<p>Perhaps Iâ€™ll have opened your mind Mark to investigating Northern Ireland/Six Counties properly instead of depending on spin National Enquirer-like rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Castilano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Castilano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that The Representation of the People Act was meant to represent all the people of whatever religion or persuasion. How can it be true that the DUP are allowed to be the political wing of two ultra right wing, fundamental, evangelical churches, many of whom are millionaires, including the Paisley and Robinson families. Iris Robinson&#039;s activity is allegedly just the tip of the DUP&#039;s  widespread corruption that is about to be discovered.  

I was astounded to find out just how many MPâ€™s MLAâ€™s and counsellors in the DUP are members of the same church. Several DUP members are related to each other and are members of the same family like the Paisleyâ€™s and the Robinsonâ€™s.  

A majority of the DUP are members of the Orange Order that is renowned for its murderous hate of Catholics.  How the hell can these closed minded people be allowed to behave like a 1920â€™s Tennessee community? These people are ignorant, greedy hillbillies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that The Representation of the People Act was meant to represent all the people of whatever religion or persuasion. How can it be true that the DUP are allowed to be the political wing of two ultra right wing, fundamental, evangelical churches, many of whom are millionaires, including the Paisley and Robinson families. Iris Robinson&#8217;s activity is allegedly just the tip of the DUP&#8217;s  widespread corruption that is about to be discovered.  </p>
<p>I was astounded to find out just how many MPâ€™s MLAâ€™s and counsellors in the DUP are members of the same church. Several DUP members are related to each other and are members of the same family like the Paisleyâ€™s and the Robinsonâ€™s.  </p>
<p>A majority of the DUP are members of the Orange Order that is renowned for its murderous hate of Catholics.  How the hell can these closed minded people be allowed to behave like a 1920â€™s Tennessee community? These people are ignorant, greedy hillbillies.</p>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidW   Well, good for you.   I would go along with the comments in your last couple of posts.   My &quot;religious life&quot; such as it was began in the Presbyterian Church in Scotland and I never found much to complain about.   In fact,many of those whom I knew in the Church - my faith was demolished when I was about 15 - seemed more like pantheists than anything else.   I think someone - might have been Richard Dawkins or Carl Sagan - described pantheism as &quot;sexed up atheism.&quot;   



The Paisley Outfit, the Priests with their paedophilia or without it, Adams, McGuiness and Co and the repellent Robinsons and their whining apologists are beyond exculpation.   As for Kirk McCambley, I don&#039;t know what his faith is but I accepted what I read.   If I got it wrong then thanks for putting me right to the extent that it matters.

A buddy of mine in Northern Ireland phoned me a couple of days ago for a chat and he says McCambley&#039;s father&#039;s butchers shop is on the way to &quot;becoming a tourist attraction.&quot;    He added, &quot;as long as it is not becoming a shrine that&#039;s OK with me.   Next think they will be selling souvenir mugs of Kirk.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidW   Well, good for you.   I would go along with the comments in your last couple of posts.   My &#8220;religious life&#8221; such as it was began in the Presbyterian Church in Scotland and I never found much to complain about.   In fact,many of those whom I knew in the Church &#8211; my faith was demolished when I was about 15 &#8211; seemed more like pantheists than anything else.   I think someone &#8211; might have been Richard Dawkins or Carl Sagan &#8211; described pantheism as &#8220;sexed up atheism.&#8221;   </p>
<p>The Paisley Outfit, the Priests with their paedophilia or without it, Adams, McGuiness and Co and the repellent Robinsons and their whining apologists are beyond exculpation.   As for Kirk McCambley, I don&#8217;t know what his faith is but I accepted what I read.   If I got it wrong then thanks for putting me right to the extent that it matters.</p>
<p>A buddy of mine in Northern Ireland phoned me a couple of days ago for a chat and he says McCambley&#8217;s father&#8217;s butchers shop is on the way to &#8220;becoming a tourist attraction.&#8221;    He added, &#8220;as long as it is not becoming a shrine that&#8217;s OK with me.   Next think they will be selling souvenir mugs of Kirk.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Ireland there are Open Brethren and Closed Brethren. The Open and Closed should (but doesn&#039;t) refer to their mindset. The Open Brethren would probably vote as their conscience dictates, while the Closed choose to steer clear of politics. 

When the Good Friday Agreement was signed I was shocked to see a few Closed Brethren leaders I knew come out of the woodwork and put their name to an anti-Good Friday Agreement advertisement in the Belfast News Letter! I have a feeling they had their arms twisted by Paisley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Ireland there are Open Brethren and Closed Brethren. The Open and Closed should (but doesn&#8217;t) refer to their mindset. The Open Brethren would probably vote as their conscience dictates, while the Closed choose to steer clear of politics. </p>
<p>When the Good Friday Agreement was signed I was shocked to see a few Closed Brethren leaders I knew come out of the woodwork and put their name to an anti-Good Friday Agreement advertisement in the Belfast News Letter! I have a feeling they had their arms twisted by Paisley.</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a member of the Plymouth Brethren I had many Irish friends who, like others in the Brethren, preached against any involvement whatsoever in politics. However, I was shocked to discover that over in Ireland many members of the sect (and they tend to be quite extreme in their beliefs there, where the movement is very strong) were voting for and supporting the Protestant parties in good conscience. When I expressed my puzzlement at this &lt;i&gt;volte-face&lt;/i&gt; I was told: &lt;b&gt;&quot;This is different&quot;&lt;/b&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a member of the Plymouth Brethren I had many Irish friends who, like others in the Brethren, preached against any involvement whatsoever in politics. However, I was shocked to discover that over in Ireland many members of the sect (and they tend to be quite extreme in their beliefs there, where the movement is very strong) were voting for and supporting the Protestant parties in good conscience. When I expressed my puzzlement at this <i>volte-face</i> I was told: <b>&#8220;This is different&#8221;</b>!</p>
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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a few things needs to be clarified here.

Kirk McCambley is from the Protestant community and is not a Catholic as some of your writers have suggested - sure it spices the story up but let&#039;s deal in facts!!! 

There are many like myself from the Christian community in Northern Ireland who have little time for the religious bigotry of the DUP and the Free Presbyterian Church â€“ others like myself who have seen through Paisley from the very start and would agree with everything barriejohn wrote. 

Paisley, Robinson and Co are as much godfathers of terrorism as Adams, McGuinness and their Army Council. While P, R &amp; Co may not have pulled triggers or planted bombs, both sides did stamp on people their own hallmarks of destruction, degradation and despair and many served time for acting out the fevered dreams of their political quartermasters. I personally don&#039;t consider any of these folks mentioned as being followers of Jesus as they are seriously deluded, a negation of Christianity and an ugly cartoon version of the christian faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a few things needs to be clarified here.</p>
<p>Kirk McCambley is from the Protestant community and is not a Catholic as some of your writers have suggested &#8211; sure it spices the story up but let&#8217;s deal in facts!!! </p>
<p>There are many like myself from the Christian community in Northern Ireland who have little time for the religious bigotry of the DUP and the Free Presbyterian Church â€“ others like myself who have seen through Paisley from the very start and would agree with everything barriejohn wrote. </p>
<p>Paisley, Robinson and Co are as much godfathers of terrorism as Adams, McGuinness and their Army Council. While P, R &amp; Co may not have pulled triggers or planted bombs, both sides did stamp on people their own hallmarks of destruction, degradation and despair and many served time for acting out the fevered dreams of their political quartermasters. I personally don&#8217;t consider any of these folks mentioned as being followers of Jesus as they are seriously deluded, a negation of Christianity and an ugly cartoon version of the christian faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRIS: Peter, I think we should help fund this young man&#039;s enterprise.
PETER: Nah, Fuck&#039;im!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRIS: Peter, I think we should help fund this young man&#8217;s enterprise.<br />
PETER: Nah, Fuck&#8217;im!</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian R K Paisley is a lying hypocrite of the first order. I have been unsuccessfully searching for a newspaper cutting I have in my possession somewhere, from the Daily Mirror I believe, back in pre-&lt;i&gt;Sun&lt;/i&gt; days when even British tabloids carried out serious investigative journalism! It must have been in the 1960s, but I have always kept it as evidence of the sort of person we are dealing with here. Paisley met a journalist from the paper, had him blindfolded, took him to a secret location in the Irish countryside, and showed him hundreds of armed protestant paramilitaries on parade, telling him to relay the warning that he was able to call many thousands more like them onto the streets if concessions were made to the Catholics. This is the man who rants and raves that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness are, or were at one time, leading members of the IRA, whereas his holiness, by implication, would not dirty his hands by associating with those who use, or threaten to use, force to achieve their political aims! &quot;You couldn&#039;t make it up&quot;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian R K Paisley is a lying hypocrite of the first order. I have been unsuccessfully searching for a newspaper cutting I have in my possession somewhere, from the Daily Mirror I believe, back in pre-<i>Sun</i> days when even British tabloids carried out serious investigative journalism! It must have been in the 1960s, but I have always kept it as evidence of the sort of person we are dealing with here. Paisley met a journalist from the paper, had him blindfolded, took him to a secret location in the Irish countryside, and showed him hundreds of armed protestant paramilitaries on parade, telling him to relay the warning that he was able to call many thousands more like them onto the streets if concessions were made to the Catholics. This is the man who rants and raves that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness are, or were at one time, leading members of the IRA, whereas his holiness, by implication, would not dirty his hands by associating with those who use, or threaten to use, force to achieve their political aims! &#8220;You couldn&#8217;t make it up&#8221;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paisley invented his own church, called himself reverend and became a Dr you would not want at your bedside.   Apart from his ranting, raving, foaming at the mouth he is a hypocrite.   Ready to work with his Roman Catholic &quot;enemies&quot; when public office, and oodles of public money - your taxes if you live in the UK - was available.  Didn&#039;t he try to pass his &quot;legacy&quot; - and the spoils that went with it - to his son?   

For the moment, perhaps for the first time, he isn&#039;t spewing his bile over us - perhaps because Iris and &#124;Pete share his views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paisley invented his own church, called himself reverend and became a Dr you would not want at your bedside.   Apart from his ranting, raving, foaming at the mouth he is a hypocrite.   Ready to work with his Roman Catholic &#8220;enemies&#8221; when public office, and oodles of public money &#8211; your taxes if you live in the UK &#8211; was available.  Didn&#8217;t he try to pass his &#8220;legacy&#8221; &#8211; and the spoils that went with it &#8211; to his son?   </p>
<p>For the moment, perhaps for the first time, he isn&#8217;t spewing his bile over us &#8211; perhaps because Iris and |Pete share his views.</p>
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		<title>By: Normand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Normand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing when you look at Paisleys face and you see all this love and compassion radiating from his face. One can practically feel him reaching out in love and tenderness to everyone!! Seriously, why is this bigotted old fool whose face is all contorted  by hatred and who goes around passing himself off as a man of God addressed as Reverend?? It&#039;s like calling Ratzinger, whose face would scare kids at Halloween, holiness!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing when you look at Paisleys face and you see all this love and compassion radiating from his face. One can practically feel him reaching out in love and tenderness to everyone!! Seriously, why is this bigotted old fool whose face is all contorted  by hatred and who goes around passing himself off as a man of God addressed as Reverend?? It&#8217;s like calling Ratzinger, whose face would scare kids at Halloween, holiness!!</p>
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