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	<title>Comments on: Televangelist Kenneth Copeland accused of fraud over Haiti earthquake relief</title>
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		<title>By: Rich Vermillion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Vermillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Thank you all again&lt;/b&gt; for your interest in this important controversy between myself and Copeland. &lt;i&gt;More importantly,&lt;/i&gt; thank you all for your demonstrated courtesy, as reflected in the way you seemed to receive my previous apology/clarification posted above. I truly appreciate that.

We are continuing (and even &lt;i&gt;upgrading&lt;/i&gt;) our efforts to hold Copeland accountable, and to distinguish &lt;b&gt;biblical&lt;/b&gt; Christianity from false religion. Here is our latest post: http://kennethcopelandblog.com/2010/07/22/kenneth-copelands-bad-confession/

Additional articles will be posted on our website above soon; for we have more of Copeland&#039;s fraudulent and deceptive practices to bring into public scrutiny.

Thank you all for your time.

Always in Jesus,

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;-Rich Vermillion&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Thank you all again</b> for your interest in this important controversy between myself and Copeland. <i>More importantly,</i> thank you all for your demonstrated courtesy, as reflected in the way you seemed to receive my previous apology/clarification posted above. I truly appreciate that.</p>
<p>We are continuing (and even <i>upgrading</i>) our efforts to hold Copeland accountable, and to distinguish <b>biblical</b> Christianity from false religion. Here is our latest post: <a href="http://kennethcopelandblog.com/2010/07/22/kenneth-copelands-bad-confession/" rel="nofollow">http://kennethcopelandblog.com.....onfession/</a></p>
<p>Additional articles will be posted on our website above soon; for we have more of Copeland&#8217;s fraudulent and deceptive practices to bring into public scrutiny.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your time.</p>
<p>Always in Jesus,</p>
<p><b><i>-Rich Vermillion</i></b></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Pierce</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/01/27/televangelist-kenneth-copeland-accused-of-fraud-over-haiti-earthquake-relief/comment-page-1/#comment-28157</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was sent a link to your website - love the photo - my new desktop background!!</description>
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		<title>By: Rich Vermillion</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/01/27/televangelist-kenneth-copeland-accused-of-fraud-over-haiti-earthquake-relief/comment-page-1/#comment-28133</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Vermillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Well, I consider it an honor&lt;/b&gt; to have an atheist site in the UK pick up on this story. I appreciate you all taking the time to discuss these issues.

&lt;b&gt;In response to the comment by Broga:&lt;/b&gt; I hope you are not lumping me in with Copeland when you write, &quot;I suppose these guys have become so used to shafting the public that theft has become a reflex action.&quot; We do NOT solicit donations from anybody on our own websites, nor do we endorse any of the standard &quot;tactics&quot; used by the various religious frauds out there. In many ways, we are actually &lt;b&gt;exposing&lt;/b&gt; such frauds on our &lt;b&gt;KennethCopelandBlog.com&lt;/b&gt; project.

&lt;b&gt;To all atheists:&lt;/b&gt; Let me offer you a very sincere apology regarding the pitiful way in which the Body of Christ has presented itself of late (and at various times throughout history). The Bible tells believers to police themselves and expose error and fraud in such passages as 1 Corinthians chapters 5&amp;6, and 1 Timothy chapter 5, (and etc). We have &lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt; performed as commanded, and thus, we have &quot;blasphemed&quot; the Name of Jesus &quot;before the Gentiles&quot; as a result (Romans 2:24). Thus, many of those who &lt;b&gt;claim&lt;/b&gt; to be Christians have NOT always modeled the teachings of Jesus before the world as we have been commanded.

I said above, &quot;those who &lt;b&gt;claim&lt;/b&gt; to be Christians&quot; because Jesus Himself said that not everyone who make such a claim actually is converted (e.g. Matthew 7:20-23; 13:24-30, 36-43, and 47-50; 2 Timothy 2:15-21; &amp; etc). In short, many of those who atheists can rightly point out as  historical or contemporary examples of wicked &quot;Christians&quot; were actually likely never Christians to begin with (Jim Jones being one of many examples).

&lt;b&gt;Nevertheless&lt;/b&gt;, the biblical protocol has been for the church to &quot;weed out&quot; such impostors and to correct the errant among their own numbers. We have NOT done that as we ought (although occasionally we have). Thus, my sincere apologies are extended herein towards you all.

I, for one, am making a sincere and diligent effort to explain and apply such Scriptures as I have mentioned above. My hope is to not only call Kenneth Copeland to account, but to also display a biblical example for other Christians to follow regarding other sins evident within the Body of Christ at large. In the aggregate, such efforts will likely help to distinguish biblical Christianity from false religion...and to give even atheists &lt;b&gt;reason&lt;/b&gt; to respect people of true Christian faith.

Once again, thank you all for your time in discussing these issues.

Always in Jesus,

-Rich Vermillion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Well, I consider it an honor</b> to have an atheist site in the UK pick up on this story. I appreciate you all taking the time to discuss these issues.</p>
<p><b>In response to the comment by Broga:</b> I hope you are not lumping me in with Copeland when you write, &#8220;I suppose these guys have become so used to shafting the public that theft has become a reflex action.&#8221; We do NOT solicit donations from anybody on our own websites, nor do we endorse any of the standard &#8220;tactics&#8221; used by the various religious frauds out there. In many ways, we are actually <b>exposing</b> such frauds on our <b>KennethCopelandBlog.com</b> project.</p>
<p><b>To all atheists:</b> Let me offer you a very sincere apology regarding the pitiful way in which the Body of Christ has presented itself of late (and at various times throughout history). The Bible tells believers to police themselves and expose error and fraud in such passages as 1 Corinthians chapters 5&amp;6, and 1 Timothy chapter 5, (and etc). We have <b>NOT</b> performed as commanded, and thus, we have &#8220;blasphemed&#8221; the Name of Jesus &#8220;before the Gentiles&#8221; as a result (Romans 2:24). Thus, many of those who <b>claim</b> to be Christians have NOT always modeled the teachings of Jesus before the world as we have been commanded.</p>
<p>I said above, &#8220;those who <b>claim</b> to be Christians&#8221; because Jesus Himself said that not everyone who make such a claim actually is converted (e.g. Matthew 7:20-23; 13:24-30, 36-43, and 47-50; 2 Timothy 2:15-21; &amp; etc). In short, many of those who atheists can rightly point out as  historical or contemporary examples of wicked &#8220;Christians&#8221; were actually likely never Christians to begin with (Jim Jones being one of many examples).</p>
<p><b>Nevertheless</b>, the biblical protocol has been for the church to &#8220;weed out&#8221; such impostors and to correct the errant among their own numbers. We have NOT done that as we ought (although occasionally we have). Thus, my sincere apologies are extended herein towards you all.</p>
<p>I, for one, am making a sincere and diligent effort to explain and apply such Scriptures as I have mentioned above. My hope is to not only call Kenneth Copeland to account, but to also display a biblical example for other Christians to follow regarding other sins evident within the Body of Christ at large. In the aggregate, such efforts will likely help to distinguish biblical Christianity from false religion&#8230;and to give even atheists <b>reason</b> to respect people of true Christian faith.</p>
<p>Once again, thank you all for your time in discussing these issues.</p>
<p>Always in Jesus,</p>
<p>-Rich Vermillion</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleasantly surprised that the Senante Finance Committee is investigating religious groups, especially Christian groups. Why should everyone wait around until the inevitable sex scandal wrecks their scam?  The US&#039;s squeamishness to challenge religions in the name of &quot;religious freedom&quot; has helped create the monster that Scientology, the JW and JDL, and the fundies have become. 

Our own president, the great liberal hope, has contributed to this industry. No mention of non-believers in his inaugural speech can blot this out.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/01/rick-warren-24-million-saddleback-evangelical/1

And yes NeoWolfe, tax exemptions and school funding for religious groups need to come under serious scrutiny. Incremental cuts (you know, like we do with social services :/ ) would be acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleasantly surprised that the Senante Finance Committee is investigating religious groups, especially Christian groups. Why should everyone wait around until the inevitable sex scandal wrecks their scam?  The US&#8217;s squeamishness to challenge religions in the name of &#8220;religious freedom&#8221; has helped create the monster that Scientology, the JW and JDL, and the fundies have become. </p>
<p>Our own president, the great liberal hope, has contributed to this industry. No mention of non-believers in his inaugural speech can blot this out.<br />
<a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/01/rick-warren-24-million-saddleback-evangelical/1" rel="nofollow">http://content.usatoday.com/co.....ngelical/1</a></p>
<p>And yes NeoWolfe, tax exemptions and school funding for religious groups need to come under serious scrutiny. Incremental cuts (you know, like we do with social services :/ ) would be acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoWolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeoWolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kinda entertaining listening to you all testifying that Satan is really the devil.  That was an analogy.  

  Do we really need to bring up the community projects that made Jim Jones so respected?  These are weapons of public opinion that these preditors use to legitimize their theft.  It&#039;s nothing new, and the sad part is that the IRS never gets a look at what churches are doing with their money because it&#039;s ALL tax exempt.  They can build themselves a new church, get the pastor laid by a $500 an hour hooker, bribe a councilmen, contribute to a political campaign, anything.  They can launder mob money, finance illegal wars, finance a cocaine shipment from Colombia, and no one gets to look at the books.  Amen.

NeoWolfe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kinda entertaining listening to you all testifying that Satan is really the devil.  That was an analogy.  </p>
<p>  Do we really need to bring up the community projects that made Jim Jones so respected?  These are weapons of public opinion that these preditors use to legitimize their theft.  It&#8217;s nothing new, and the sad part is that the IRS never gets a look at what churches are doing with their money because it&#8217;s ALL tax exempt.  They can build themselves a new church, get the pastor laid by a $500 an hour hooker, bribe a councilmen, contribute to a political campaign, anything.  They can launder mob money, finance illegal wars, finance a cocaine shipment from Colombia, and no one gets to look at the books.  Amen.</p>
<p>NeoWolfe</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;religious frauds&quot; is not an oxymoron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;religious frauds&#8221; is not an oxymoron.</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think you&#039;ll find that&#039;s a photo of Phil Cool, Barry!

http://www.philcool.co.uk/

(I&#039;d post an image, but that doesn&#039;t seem possible now - am I right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think you&#8217;ll find that&#8217;s a photo of Phil Cool, Barry!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philcool.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.philcool.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>(I&#8217;d post an image, but that doesn&#8217;t seem possible now &#8211; am I right?)</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/dec/18/guardiansocietysupplement7</description>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1999/december6/9te026.html</description>
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		<title>By: CybrgnX</title>
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		<dc:creator>CybrgnX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He BELIEVES Copeland is a fraud??
Copeland is a televangelist. Isn&#039;t that a different way to say fraud?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He BELIEVES Copeland is a fraud??<br />
Copeland is a televangelist. Isn&#8217;t that a different way to say fraud?</p>
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