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	<title>Comments on: Church forced to poach priests from abroad as Catholicism retreats in Australia</title>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@William Harwood.    Many thanks.   Interesting post.  I find many Australians have an admirably freethinking and anti-authority attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@William Harwood.    Many thanks.   Interesting post.  I find many Australians have an admirably freethinking and anti-authority attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: William Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A point that Australia and the UK have in common is that both already have more nontheists than practising believers (www.Guardian.co.uk), and both are within 30 years of having a majority that recognizes that religion is the root of all evil and that all godworshippers are insane, including those who would not use violence to impose their beliefs on the whole population. In both countries part of the reason professional pushers are desperate to believe they are the majority is that it enables them to rationalize, &quot;We can&#039;t all be insane.&quot; And in both countries 99 percent of all priests are either control freaks seeking absolute power or paedophiles seeking available altar boys. To find significant numbers of the third kind, those who are motivated by monetary considerations, it became necessary for the Australian church to go to the third world.
Where Australia and the UK differ is that in Australia the media have more freedom to tell it like it is, instead of being manipulated by unelected hierarchs such as TIMES owner Rupert Murdock and the equally godphuqt tabloid disinformation peddlers; C of E bishops; and the popephuqt BBC chairman; into becoming part of the conspiracy to keep the masses in a permanent state of mindslavery and ignorance. Australian newspapers have carried editorials denouncing pope Ratzinazi&#039;s crimes against humanity that the UK media pointedly ignore -- this despite the fact that Catholics and pretend-Catholics in Australia constitute twenty percent of the population compared to five percent in the UK (www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.HTML ). And unlike the UK, Australian media do not pretend that terrorist acts by rugbutters violate the principles of their religion when in fact they epitomize them, a pretence that all religions encourage out of awareness that their own glass houses are not shatterproof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point that Australia and the UK have in common is that both already have more nontheists than practising believers (www.Guardian.co.uk), and both are within 30 years of having a majority that recognizes that religion is the root of all evil and that all godworshippers are insane, including those who would not use violence to impose their beliefs on the whole population. In both countries part of the reason professional pushers are desperate to believe they are the majority is that it enables them to rationalize, &#8220;We can&#8217;t all be insane.&#8221; And in both countries 99 percent of all priests are either control freaks seeking absolute power or paedophiles seeking available altar boys. To find significant numbers of the third kind, those who are motivated by monetary considerations, it became necessary for the Australian church to go to the third world.<br />
Where Australia and the UK differ is that in Australia the media have more freedom to tell it like it is, instead of being manipulated by unelected hierarchs such as TIMES owner Rupert Murdock and the equally godphuqt tabloid disinformation peddlers; C of E bishops; and the popephuqt BBC chairman; into becoming part of the conspiracy to keep the masses in a permanent state of mindslavery and ignorance. Australian newspapers have carried editorials denouncing pope Ratzinazi&#8217;s crimes against humanity that the UK media pointedly ignore &#8212; this despite the fact that Catholics and pretend-Catholics in Australia constitute twenty percent of the population compared to five percent in the UK (www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.HTML ). And unlike the UK, Australian media do not pretend that terrorist acts by rugbutters violate the principles of their religion when in fact they epitomize them, a pretence that all religions encourage out of awareness that their own glass houses are not shatterproof.</p>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus.    I guess you will not be alone.   I read a letter somewhere wondering why he needed a triple safety glass Popemobile and Â£20 million of our taxes to protect him when he thinks he is the favoured son of his god.    A couple of prayers should be enough.  Except, of course, that prayer is asking an omniscient being to change its mind.   I think he is going to get the message that he is not wanted.   

Let those who want him here pay for him.   Why should atheists, agnostics, muslims, protestants (particularly of the self invented church of Ian Paisley stripe etc. etc.) be forced to fund this repellent pantomime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus.    I guess you will not be alone.   I read a letter somewhere wondering why he needed a triple safety glass Popemobile and Â£20 million of our taxes to protect him when he thinks he is the favoured son of his god.    A couple of prayers should be enough.  Except, of course, that prayer is asking an omniscient being to change its mind.   I think he is going to get the message that he is not wanted.   </p>
<p>Let those who want him here pay for him.   Why should atheists, agnostics, muslims, protestants (particularly of the self invented church of Ian Paisley stripe etc. etc.) be forced to fund this repellent pantomime.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Broga Good point. That decrepit old nazi is just a continuation of the same old repression that has been going on for centuries. Personally I can&#039;t wait for the tosser to come over here and find out what we think of him. If he&#039;s planning on coming anywhere near Manchester I think you might see me on News At Ten!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Broga Good point. That decrepit old nazi is just a continuation of the same old repression that has been going on for centuries. Personally I can&#8217;t wait for the tosser to come over here and find out what we think of him. If he&#8217;s planning on coming anywhere near Manchester I think you might see me on News At Ten!</p>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela K.   Point taken.  I overlooked that.   Did you know that when criminals i.e. some poor man who poached a rabbit from the estate of his christian overlord, not major thieves which infest the churches - they were often flogged.    And the flogging, on ship or en route to Aunstralia, often exposed the bones it was of such severity.   A convict, known for his stoical endurance, was assumed not to &quot;feel the way more gentle people do&quot; and on occasion the decision would be taken to use a much heavier whip.   (Bit like the old farts of the Jockey Club who insist on continuing with a heavy whip the better to lash exhausted horses instead of agreeing to a lighter one or none at at all.)   

The point I am getting to, Angela, is the floggings were often overseen by a cleryman which rather disposes of the gentle Jesus business.   All of this is in THE FATAL SHORE by Robert Hughes - my copy published by Pan 1988.   There was even a Hanging Psalm which the poor was forced to recite at Tyburn Tree, for those who met their end in London.  First two lines:

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin did my mother deceive me.


The parson would be present, of course.    And today, we are being forced to pay Â£20 million from our taxes to protect a Pope who must be one of the most cruel and disastrous influences on the planet.   The infestation continues, I am afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela K.   Point taken.  I overlooked that.   Did you know that when criminals i.e. some poor man who poached a rabbit from the estate of his christian overlord, not major thieves which infest the churches &#8211; they were often flogged.    And the flogging, on ship or en route to Aunstralia, often exposed the bones it was of such severity.   A convict, known for his stoical endurance, was assumed not to &#8220;feel the way more gentle people do&#8221; and on occasion the decision would be taken to use a much heavier whip.   (Bit like the old farts of the Jockey Club who insist on continuing with a heavy whip the better to lash exhausted horses instead of agreeing to a lighter one or none at at all.)   </p>
<p>The point I am getting to, Angela, is the floggings were often overseen by a cleryman which rather disposes of the gentle Jesus business.   All of this is in THE FATAL SHORE by Robert Hughes &#8211; my copy published by Pan 1988.   There was even a Hanging Psalm which the poor was forced to recite at Tyburn Tree, for those who met their end in London.  First two lines:</p>
<p>Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,<br />
and in sin did my mother deceive me.</p>
<p>The parson would be present, of course.    And today, we are being forced to pay Â£20 million from our taxes to protect a Pope who must be one of the most cruel and disastrous influences on the planet.   The infestation continues, I am afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;There are so many opportunities available to young people once they have finished their education&#039;.... Hmmm, think education might be the key word here. My how the good old church must look back on the days of ignorance and illiteracy with misty-eyed nostalgia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;There are so many opportunities available to young people once they have finished their education&#8217;&#8230;. Hmmm, think education might be the key word here. My how the good old church must look back on the days of ignorance and illiteracy with misty-eyed nostalgia.</p>
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		<title>By: chrsbol</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrsbol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poaching priests sounds pretty good fun to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poaching priests sounds pretty good fun to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most observant Catholics in the developed world seem to be first generation immigrants. It doesn&#039;t bode well for the long term future of the Catholic church which is about to become the &quot;African church based in Rome&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most observant Catholics in the developed world seem to be first generation immigrants. It doesn&#8217;t bode well for the long term future of the Catholic church which is about to become the &#8220;African church based in Rome&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My anecdotal observation is of a new Philipine Methodist minister and new Indian Catholic priests, installed in the New England section of the US. Will they start importing parishioners as well? XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My anecdotal observation is of a new Philipine Methodist minister and new Indian Catholic priests, installed in the New England section of the US. Will they start importing parishioners as well? XD</p>
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		<title>By: Angela_K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broga, nice idea to send the C. of E. Anglo Catholic vicars to Australia, but sad to say transportation for criminals stopped a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broga, nice idea to send the C. of E. Anglo Catholic vicars to Australia, but sad to say transportation for criminals stopped a long time ago.</p>
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