Comments on: Catholic Church blasted following Brighton priest’s homophobic rant

By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:15:57 +0000

Mmmmm what about the hedonistic child abusing Catholic priests? plenty of them around aren’t there. I was brought up in the Catholic religion and suffered years of violent abuse as a small child, I HATE priests, and ALL religions, if I could get away with it I’d BURN all their churches to the ground, with them in it. I just wish they would all fuck off and disappear, hopefully by the end of this century that might be the case, then at least they wouldn’t be able to spout their vile and disgusting views.

By: NeoWolfe

NeoWolfe — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:52:24 +0000

And by the way, wasn’t Lot the one who got drunk and malested both his daughters? Wow, righteousness has a new spin doctor these days. They’ve risen above child rape, and witch burning. Now they wanna give Terry Schiavo a drink of water.

NeoWolfe

By: NeoWolfe

NeoWolfe — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:28:58 +0000

If you want to find the humor in the story of Lot, ask yourself why he was living there in the first place? Then as god is raining down fire and sulpher, Lot’s wife looked back and was turned to a pillar of salt. I think she wanted to go home, maybe there was a cowboy stirring her mud puddle, too.

NeoWolfe

By: elainek123

elainek123 — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:17:55 +0000

I have already read this and have commented in the Brighton Argus on line as follows:=.
I agree that homosexuality is not a sin. How do you define a sin, to me it is when anyone thinks they are better and more worthy than others. You cannot judge a person until you know them well.
My mother always told me ‘If you cannot say something nice about someone, say nothing.’
Men, women and children are equal, and while the religious factions of the World say malicious things, they will lose many good, honest people who believe in equality.
All those find words do not escape the fact that here is a man who belittles others, either for their gender, or their way of life. Mistaken eh, how are the religious so sure that to hate another person can ever be right… Let them look at themselves.
The Christians are killing Muslims, Muslims kill Christians. Leave people alone, after all your god created man, as you say.
Keep believing if you want to, you have the right, but leave others to believe what they want.
Priests abuse children, is that holy and chaste? I think not

Read the book ‘God hates you, hate him back, -making sense of the bible-then tell me that Jesus loved us. Donâ€™t think so.
Still I must stop as I do not want to preach to anyone.

By: barriejohn

barriejohn — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:47:32 +0000

I quoted the Judges story because of Dr Harwood’s comments there. The stories are almost identical – another case of a myth being retold elsewhere in the Bible as a completely different happening – and you are indeed correct in stating that it says in the previous chapter in Genesis that God was resolved to destroy the cities because of their wickedness in any case, prior to the incident involving the “angels”. (There are other stories in the Bible, as with many ancient myths, where details, like the death of one of the characters, are conveniently forgotten, so that nothing really ties up, but the literalists always seem to have an explanation handy!) One important thing to bear in mind, however, is that the ancient stories were rewritten (redacted) by the Jews during the Persian Captivity (1st Millennium BCE), so it is not always altogether clear what the originals were saying. Certainly, as Dr Harwood points out, the Jews of the Captivity were heavily influenced in their views by the teachings of Zoroaster, who banned both homosexuality and celibacy. The Jews of the time also wanted to see their population increase as much as possible: another reason for making homosexuality taboo.

PS The Greek word angelos means “messenger”, as does the OT word malakh, of which it is the equivalent, and which is similarly translated “angel” in English versions.

By: CybrgnX

CybrgnX — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:13:24 +0000

True barriejohn Judges does say that but remember the MEN(angles??) came to Lot’s house to tell him that the towns are to be destroyed so g0ds decision was already made. So the gay thing is not the reason, it is actually mentioned in one sentence in a previous section but my proof is down and unavailable. And the story is as Janstince states above, xtians will use and misunderstand anything to support their prejudice and then ignore parts that they find as a problem as Stonyground shows above.

By: Stonyground

Stonyground — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:05:37 +0000

The problem as I see it is that there are still people willing to defer to a book of myths written by ignorant barbarians for their moral guidance. The notion that the Bible has some kind of divine authority is laughable. The creator of the entire universe thinks that the Earth is flat and is motionless in the centre of that universe with everything revolving around it? How utterly stupid do you have to be to believe that?

Also, how obnoxious do you have to be to totally ignore hundreds and hundreds of totally ridiculous rules because they are too inconvenient to follow as well as being, yes, utterly ridiculous, and yet claim that the one rule that allows you to persecute an innocent minority is non-negotiable?

By: barriejohn

barriejohn — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:35:38 +0000

You do have a point re the now infamous Sodom and Gomorrah, @CybrgnX, but I feel that you have to really perform mental somersaults to avoid the conclusion that the NT condemns homosexuality!

There is an almost identical passage to the Genesis one in Judges, concerning “a certain Levite” (Dr Harwood translates the name Lot as Levit!):

JUDGES 19:20-25 (abridged)
The man said, â€œDonâ€™t stay in the street overnight.â€
So he brought him into his house. Men
surrounded the house, saying to the owner of the
house, â€œSend out the man who came into your
house so that we can tup him.â€ He answered, â€œDo
no such atrocity. Here are my virgin daughters and
the manâ€™s bedslave. Please let me bring them out,
and you can rape them and do to them as you see
fit.â€ So the man took his bedslave outside and they
proceeded to tup her and abuse her all night.
[In both the Sodom myth and the parallel in
Judges, a host was so bound by the ancient
hospitality code to protect his houseguests from all
harm, that he felt obliged to offer his virgin
daughters to be raped, rather than surrender a
guest whom the code required him to protect. That
Levitâ€™s houseguests were male was irrelevant to the
Sodomitesâ€™ crime. There was no homosexuality
taboo in Jâ€™s time anywhere in the world. Zoroaster
invented such a taboo in the 7th century BCE in
the belief that he could force gay men to start
breeding tithe-paying believers. He banned
celibacy for the same reason.]

From The Fully Translated Bible (Dr William Harwood: 2001. Booksurge Publishing)

By: NeoWolfe

NeoWolfe — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:21:57 +0000

Well, I’m a hedonist. I have been all my life. I wasn’t really sure until my parents crushed my pot plant. And while I never porked a man, I can reveal to you that while a girl’s butt is really attractive, there is nothing like getting savage on that chocolate starfish.

So those who think that being gay is some affront to god, can lick my unshowered dick after my assault on said starfish.

NeoWolfe

By: CybrgnX

CybrgnX — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:18:33 +0000

Sharpe is right on target. The xtians totally misrepresent the buybull to support their bigotry. Ask 10 xtians about sodom&gramora and 11 of them will says it is about the evil gays.
How many xtians know or admit that they were destroyed because the psycho g0d didn’t like their women acting uppidy?
As Sharpe says the xtians hate nonwhites, gays, and women.
The priest’s statements are no surprise and so must always be slammed down when possible.