Comments on: ‘Miracle cure’ nun’s relapse jeopardises plans for Pope John Paul’s sainthood http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/ The voice of atheism since 1881 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:36:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Andy http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-31097 Andy Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:10:21 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-31097 i have read all the comments with interest. i met the late pope john paul II (yes, BEFORE his death). i will remember that experience. i have read all the comments with interest.
i met the late pope john paul II (yes, BEFORE his death).
i will remember that experience.

]]> By: barriejohn http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29620 barriejohn Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:53:43 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29620 It's all explained here, Heather! http://www.ourcatholicprayers.com/prayers-to-saints.html <i>Some people ask “why say prayers to saints? Shouldn’t all our prayers be to God?” Praying to the saints is praying to God, in a fundamental way. We're praying to those who can ask God to help us in our various needs in accordance with His will. When you ask someone to pray for you are you worshipping that person? Of course not! It’s the same when we ask the saints to pray for us! In our prayers to saints we ask them to “put in a good word” for us with God in Heaven. What is comforting is that with the saints we have so many members of our Church in heaven to look out for us! Do you ever feel some days like you need all the help you can get? You can ask one of many patron saints for their assistance. They’ve been “put in charge” of various causes, occupations, (and even countries!), through popular traditions or by the Church. These saints are considered our protectors as well as our intercessors. </i> So, when it all gets a bit too much for the Almighty, he has that lot to help him out, plus, they are able to "bend his ear" a bit when he can't be arsed to do anything for you!! It’s all explained here, Heather!

http://www.ourcatholicprayers......aints.html

Some people ask “why say prayers to saints? Shouldn’t all our prayers be to God?” Praying to the saints is praying to God, in a fundamental way. We’re praying to those who can ask God to help us in our various needs in accordance with His will.

When you ask someone to pray for you are you worshipping that person? Of course not! It’s the same when we ask the saints to pray for us! In our prayers to saints we ask them to “put in a good word” for us with God in Heaven.

What is comforting is that with the saints we have so many members of our Church in heaven to look out for us! Do you ever feel some days like you need all the help you can get? You can ask one of many patron saints for their assistance. They’ve been “put in charge” of various causes, occupations, (and even countries!), through popular traditions or by the Church. These saints are considered our protectors as well as our intercessors.

So, when it all gets a bit too much for the Almighty, he has that lot to help him out, plus, they are able to “bend his ear” a bit when he can’t be arsed to do anything for you!!

]]> By: Heather Flight http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29612 Heather Flight Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:53:01 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29612 When, I wonder, did nuns stop praying for God's intercession and turn instead to popes? Let the Vatican canonize whomever they like. It's all crap anyway! When, I wonder, did nuns stop praying for God’s intercession and turn instead to popes?

Let the Vatican canonize whomever they like. It’s all crap anyway!

]]> By: barriejohn http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29589 barriejohn Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:33:10 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29589 I suppose it's been reported because it has actually happened, @FedupwithR. (I mean the apparent belief that this natural occurrence is a "miracle", of course!) I can't believe that a bishop is really going to endorse this nonsense!! I suppose it’s been reported because it has actually happened, @FedupwithR. (I mean the apparent belief that this natural occurrence is a “miracle”, of course!) I can’t believe that a bishop is really going to endorse this nonsense!!

]]> By: FedupwithR http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29587 FedupwithR Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:42:37 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29587 Re. http://dailymail.co.uk/new.....s/oil.html. It's just resin seeping out of the wood. A totally common occurrence. How such crap can get printed in a National newspaper is beyond me. Re. http://dailymail.co.uk/new…..s/oil.html.

It’s just resin seeping out of the wood. A totally common occurrence. How such crap can get printed in a National newspaper is beyond me.

]]> By: NeoWolfe http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29580 NeoWolfe Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:25:20 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29580 Holy hell, people!!! There is only one Devil's advocate appointed per proposed sainthood!!! But, you guys are like the legal staff of an insurance company!! Give the poor pope a break (chuckle). But, JP2, admittedly, did screw the pooch. While the guy was taking the time out of his busy death to cure this poor lady's neurological wasting disease, (miracle 1) he could have taken a few more seconds to fix her gnarly teeth (miracle 2). Then it would have been a dragstip straight to sainthood. Speaking of miracles with a shelf life, what ever happened to that Lazarus dude? Last I heard he was living the dream in Miami. NeoWolfe Holy hell, people!!! There is only one Devil’s advocate appointed per proposed sainthood!!! But, you guys are like the legal staff of an insurance company!! Give the poor pope a break (chuckle).

But, JP2, admittedly, did screw the pooch. While the guy was taking the time out of his busy death to cure this poor lady’s neurological wasting disease, (miracle 1) he could have taken a few more seconds to fix her gnarly teeth (miracle 2). Then it would have been a dragstip straight to sainthood.

Speaking of miracles with a shelf life, what ever happened to that Lazarus dude? Last I heard he was living the dream in Miami.

NeoWolfe

]]> By: Stonyground http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29579 Stonyground Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:18:29 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29579 tony e, that is a very good question. The obvious answer is that those who totally reject medical science and rely entirely on God tend to die and even the most deluded rligiots know this. They can also rationalise by saying that God helps those who help themselves. tony e, that is a very good question. The obvious answer is that those who totally reject medical science and rely entirely on God tend to die and even the most deluded rligiots know this. They can also rationalise by saying that God helps those who help themselves.

]]> By: barriejohn http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29572 barriejohn Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:42:04 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29572 @David McNerney: You don't seem to appreciate that there are VERY strict rules as to just who can become a saint. The Pope is not in a position to, as you put it, "make someone a saint" upon a mere whim. If the legal requirements were not met we might well have just any Tom, Dick or even Harriet being canonized, and that would never do, as the faithful might lose confidence that the saints really are able to intercede upon their behalf and bend the ear of the Almighty! See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1256315/Hundreds-gather-picture-Virgin-Mary-weeps-tears-oil.html @David McNerney: You don’t seem to appreciate that there are VERY strict rules as to just who can become a saint. The Pope is not in a position to, as you put it, “make someone a saint” upon a mere whim. If the legal requirements were not met we might well have just any Tom, Dick or even Harriet being canonized, and that would never do, as the faithful might lose confidence that the saints really are able to intercede upon their behalf and bend the ear of the Almighty!

See this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....s-oil.html

]]> By: tony e http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29570 tony e Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:26:07 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29570 I wonder why all the devout 'believers' who go to Lourdes always continue with traditional treatments also? Surely not the little grain of doubt in their heads? I wonder why all the devout ‘believers’ who go to Lourdes always continue with traditional treatments also? Surely not the little grain of doubt in their heads?

]]> By: Broga http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/03/07/%e2%80%98miracle-cure%e2%80%99-nun%e2%80%99s-relapse-jeopardises-plans-for-pope-john-paul%e2%80%99s-sainthood/comment-page-1/#comment-29565 Broga Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:56:42 +0000 http://freethinker.co.uk/?p=12198#comment-29565 @chrsbol Your welcome. I began to wonder about the bug situation in Lourdes on the following basis. I met buddy of mine, as militant an atheist as I am, at a Conference in Manchester last year. He works in Liverpool and over a few beers was moaning about his devout Roman Catholic aunt who volunteers as a helper for those going to Lourdes. She was complaining about the "coughs and sneezes" people come back with including her. He asked her if there was not some irony in that all those desperately sick people were going to Lourdes for a cure and the Lord couldn't do something about the spread of minor infections. I don't recall her answer but he said to me, "Lourdes must be the bug capital of Europe." @chrsbol Your welcome. I began to wonder about the bug situation in Lourdes on the following basis. I met buddy of mine, as militant an atheist as I am, at a Conference in Manchester last year. He works in Liverpool and over a few beers was moaning about his devout Roman Catholic aunt who volunteers as a helper for those going to Lourdes. She was complaining about the “coughs and sneezes” people come back with including her. He asked her if there was not some irony in that all those desperately sick people were going to Lourdes for a cure and the Lord couldn’t do something about the spread of minor infections. I don’t recall her answer but he said to me, “Lourdes must be the bug capital of Europe.”

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