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		<title>By: Ratinga e Bagnasco sui preti pedofili:la faccia come il culo &#171; Rainbowman56&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ratinga e Bagnasco sui preti pedofili:la faccia come il culo &#171; Rainbowman56&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now that the trust has gone, is it all over for the Catholic Church in Ireland?  Barry Duke on March 20th, 2010  The pastoral letter written by Ratzinger to the people of Ireland [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dogon</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the catholic church so entrenched in Irish culture and society that its employees are above the law and cannot be prosecuted for pedophile crime ?  
Is the cardinal and the bishops not also aiding and abetting crime by not reporting these things ?...Is this how cannon law is applied ?

The catholic church is a boil on the face of humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the catholic church so entrenched in Irish culture and society that its employees are above the law and cannot be prosecuted for pedophile crime ?<br />
Is the cardinal and the bishops not also aiding and abetting crime by not reporting these things ?&#8230;Is this how cannon law is applied ?</p>
<p>The catholic church is a boil on the face of humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: dogon</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What sort of mind/minds would require members of an organization, which tells a segment of it&#039;s membership....priests...to forgo himself of practicing the most &quot;basic&quot; of human functions....that of procreation via sex ?

The result is what we now have in Ireland and for that matter Europe and better part of the planet.....a group of dirty old men caring out their &quot;most basic urges&quot; upon little boys and girls.

The clergy&#039;s only fault lies in the willingness of priests to follow catholic dogma related to celibacy....and not the laws of nature and common sense. 

Of course this also applies to religion as a whole in that all faiths  refuse to adhere to the  natural laws of reason....and prefer superstition......it makes it easier to control the sheep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sort of mind/minds would require members of an organization, which tells a segment of it&#8217;s membership&#8230;.priests&#8230;to forgo himself of practicing the most &#8220;basic&#8221; of human functions&#8230;.that of procreation via sex ?</p>
<p>The result is what we now have in Ireland and for that matter Europe and better part of the planet&#8230;..a group of dirty old men caring out their &#8220;most basic urges&#8221; upon little boys and girls.</p>
<p>The clergy&#8217;s only fault lies in the willingness of priests to follow catholic dogma related to celibacy&#8230;.and not the laws of nature and common sense. </p>
<p>Of course this also applies to religion as a whole in that all faiths  refuse to adhere to the  natural laws of reason&#8230;.and prefer superstition&#8230;&#8230;it makes it easier to control the sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela_K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I want to know is, how many priests have gone to jail for their acts?&quot; Not enough!

It is a pity the victims of abuse can&#039;t get together some sort of class law-suit against the catholic church and their leaders. The pope and his lieutenants should be tried for crimes against humanity.

In law a Company owner or Director is liable for the actions of the business and employees; the catholic church is a business and should be treated accordingly.

Shouldn&#039;t ratnazi&#039;s letter have said &quot;Dear..... Sorry my paedo priest buggered you, all forgiven now so give us some more cash&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I want to know is, how many priests have gone to jail for their acts?&#8221; Not enough!</p>
<p>It is a pity the victims of abuse can&#8217;t get together some sort of class law-suit against the catholic church and their leaders. The pope and his lieutenants should be tried for crimes against humanity.</p>
<p>In law a Company owner or Director is liable for the actions of the business and employees; the catholic church is a business and should be treated accordingly.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t ratnazi&#8217;s letter have said &#8220;Dear&#8230;.. Sorry my paedo priest buggered you, all forgiven now so give us some more cash&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tony e</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is, how many priests have gone to jail for their acts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is, how many priests have gone to jail for their acts?</p>
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		<title>By: David Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be quite an interesting study to get statistics of the number of people accused of paedophilia who worked in various industries and compare the number of occurances and unique individuals with numbers of the clergy. The Church is an industry after all, they just sell an invisible product.

I would bet money there would be quite a heavy disproportionate number from the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be quite an interesting study to get statistics of the number of people accused of paedophilia who worked in various industries and compare the number of occurances and unique individuals with numbers of the clergy. The Church is an industry after all, they just sell an invisible product.</p>
<p>I would bet money there would be quite a heavy disproportionate number from the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Har Davids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Har Davids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it is, secularism of the last 50 years or so is to blame, according to Josef R. in Rome. Of course, there was never any kind of abuse before that, or was there? According to his holiness&#039; logic, if priest started to succumb to paedophilia since to 60&#039;s, all in spite of their righteousness and piety, it must even by worse among the general public. Anyone with statistics on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it is, secularism of the last 50 years or so is to blame, according to Josef R. in Rome. Of course, there was never any kind of abuse before that, or was there? According to his holiness&#8217; logic, if priest started to succumb to paedophilia since to 60&#8242;s, all in spite of their righteousness and piety, it must even by worse among the general public. Anyone with statistics on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Broga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if you heard someone called Bishop McKeown this morning.  If you didn&#039;t you missed a treat.   While comments from people on the streets were condemnatory and a couple of other experts thought nothing short of mass sackings would suffice McKeown had a wonderfully comic turn.   When Sean Brady, still clinging to the top spot was mentioned as someone who out to be out, McKeown wittered about &quot;the wounded leader&quot; (Sean Brady, that is), so much more to learn by leadership from someone who has made mistakes and &quot;is not perfect&quot; - no fear of Sean being perfect.   Another point is that, apart from world wide problems, there are another 17 Counties in Ireland still to be investigated. 

This show will run and run.   McKeown, who does seem a prize twat, said he was &quot;looking forward to the challenge of putting the Church right.&quot;    Good on you, mate, you your work cut out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if you heard someone called Bishop McKeown this morning.  If you didn&#8217;t you missed a treat.   While comments from people on the streets were condemnatory and a couple of other experts thought nothing short of mass sackings would suffice McKeown had a wonderfully comic turn.   When Sean Brady, still clinging to the top spot was mentioned as someone who out to be out, McKeown wittered about &#8220;the wounded leader&#8221; (Sean Brady, that is), so much more to learn by leadership from someone who has made mistakes and &#8220;is not perfect&#8221; &#8211; no fear of Sean being perfect.   Another point is that, apart from world wide problems, there are another 17 Counties in Ireland still to be investigated. </p>
<p>This show will run and run.   McKeown, who does seem a prize twat, said he was &#8220;looking forward to the challenge of putting the Church right.&#8221;    Good on you, mate, you your work cut out.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoWolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeoWolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to side with 1031, the idea that child molesting priests are some phenomenon  unique to our decade or even our century is absolutely absurd.  Priests have been sucking pre-pubescent penis since the dawn of the church, and it is only the degradation of their power that in recent decades had diminished their ability to conceal it.  Three hundred years ago, anyone bold enough to accuse the church of sodomy and conspiracy would have been branded a heretic and put to death.  It&#039;s a new ball game.

  And that&#039;s really what Ratzo was saying, if everyone came back to the church, their power would be restored, and all these scandals would disappear from view. Then, we could all bask in our blissful ignorance.  Everyone, that is, except the kids with sore sphincters.

NeoWolfe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to side with 1031, the idea that child molesting priests are some phenomenon  unique to our decade or even our century is absolutely absurd.  Priests have been sucking pre-pubescent penis since the dawn of the church, and it is only the degradation of their power that in recent decades had diminished their ability to conceal it.  Three hundred years ago, anyone bold enough to accuse the church of sodomy and conspiracy would have been branded a heretic and put to death.  It&#8217;s a new ball game.</p>
<p>  And that&#8217;s really what Ratzo was saying, if everyone came back to the church, their power would be restored, and all these scandals would disappear from view. Then, we could all bask in our blissful ignorance.  Everyone, that is, except the kids with sore sphincters.</p>
<p>NeoWolfe</p>
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		<title>By: Janstince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janstince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, the whole thing is not much better.  He goes on and on about how churches, schools, and libraries were founded by Irish missionaries to the benefit of all, and yet the only benefit he specifically mentions is the increase of religious students and the church taking over the vocational schools.

Predictably, he calls for a &quot;renewal of faith,&quot; whatever the hell that means anymore, and urges people to find healing through jesus&#039; sacrifice, blah blah blah.  Basically, he feels that the problems with the church can only be rectified through higher church attendance, when we smarter people realize that higher church attendance leads to higher rates of kiddie-fiddling.

And he quotes a bunch of saints, including Augustine.  If ever there were just two words to describe the utter depth of loathing I have for the church, they would be Saint Augustine.  That bastard should have been tortured to death for his crimes, or at the very least killed and had his body dumped in an unmarked grave, yet the twisted minds of the church declare him a holy man.

Well, whatever.  People leaving in droves, I hope this time at least some of the dioceses have to declare full bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, the whole thing is not much better.  He goes on and on about how churches, schools, and libraries were founded by Irish missionaries to the benefit of all, and yet the only benefit he specifically mentions is the increase of religious students and the church taking over the vocational schools.</p>
<p>Predictably, he calls for a &#8220;renewal of faith,&#8221; whatever the hell that means anymore, and urges people to find healing through jesus&#8217; sacrifice, blah blah blah.  Basically, he feels that the problems with the church can only be rectified through higher church attendance, when we smarter people realize that higher church attendance leads to higher rates of kiddie-fiddling.</p>
<p>And he quotes a bunch of saints, including Augustine.  If ever there were just two words to describe the utter depth of loathing I have for the church, they would be Saint Augustine.  That bastard should have been tortured to death for his crimes, or at the very least killed and had his body dumped in an unmarked grave, yet the twisted minds of the church declare him a holy man.</p>
<p>Well, whatever.  People leaving in droves, I hope this time at least some of the dioceses have to declare full bankruptcy.</p>
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