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Mexican bishop blames ‘eroticism and internet porn’ for clerical child abuse

JUST days after Ratzinger’s No 2 in the Vatican – Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone  – caused outrage when he blamed homosexuals for clerical abuse in the Catholic Church, a Mexican bishop declared that the root cause was, in fact, eroticism on TV and internet porn.

Bishop Felipe Arizmendi, addressing an annual meeting of Mexican bishops near Mexico City, said:

With so much invasion of eroticism, sometimes it’s not easy to stay celibate or to respect children. If on television and on the Internet and in so many media outlets there is pornography, it is very difficult to stay pure and chaste.

He added:

Obviously when there is generalized sexual freedom it’s more likely there could be cases of pedophilia.

The bishop said that loose morals in society had made it difficult to keep seminarians committed to the faith.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone

His comments came after the Vatican tried to distance itself from remarks by Bertone, who claimed:

Many psychologists and psychiatrists have shown that there is no link between celibacy and pedophilia, but many others have shown, I have recently been told, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia.

A front-page editorial in Rome’s left-leaning La Repubblica newspaper headed The Confusion in the Church said Bertone’s comments would end up causing the Church more “harm to itself, not homosexuals.”

Bertone was also criticized by Alessandra Mussolini, a right-wing parliamentarian whose grandfather, wartime Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, sent gays into internal exile.

You can’t link sexual orientation to paedophilia … this link risks becoming dangerously misleading for the protection of children.

ArciLesbica, Italy’s main lesbian rights group, accused the Vatican of using “violent and deceptive statements” to divert attention from its abuse scandal and said Italian parents should consider removing their children from Church-run institutions.

It has now emerged that the Bishop of Tenerife recently sought to blame the victims themselves for paedophile activities of priests.

Bishop Bernando Álvarez said that there were chil­dren who want­ed to be abused.

Bishop Bernando Álvarez

There are 13 year old ado­les­cents who are under age and who are per­fectly in agree­ment with, and what’s more want­ing it, and if you are care­less they will even pro­voke you.

He too sought to link paedophilia with homosexuality, which he claimed was prej­u­di­cial to the peo­ple and to soci­ety, and he warned that we would pay the con­se­quences in the long term.

The bishop later did some back-pedalling in a statement that explained that he did not intend to imply that “an event as con­demnable as the abuse of young­sters” could be justified.

Here is a video proving that paedophilia has been a feature of the Catholic Church for 2,000 years.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ1_aQz6IuU[/youtube]

HAT TIP: Uzza (for the YouTube link)

41 Responses to “Mexican bishop blames ‘eroticism and internet porn’ for clerical child abuse”

  1. gsw says:

    Maybe they should allow masturbation as a harmless release for those priests who are “having difficulty remaining celebrate”!
    Of course, all these excuses are absolute rubbish, there are enough alternatives (bordells etc.) without raping children.

    Truth is – it is easier to intimidate children into shutting up about it or to persuade parents/authorities that the child is making it up.
    And sometimes, the children are just totally in their power, as in church run orphanages.

    Why risk one’s reputation by paying someone for sex – or finding a willing adult – when you can terrorise a child into keeping it all quiet?

    There is absolutely no excuse for rape of any kind, since sexual gratification is available for everybody – one way or another – but the rape of a child should be a capital offence.
    Hang the bastards!

  2. Ivan says:

    “With so much invasion of eroticism, sometimes it’s not easy to stay celibate or to respect children. If on television and on the Internet and in so many media outlets there is pornography, it is very difficult to stay pure and chaste.”

    Firstly, how does he know?

    Perhaps Bishop Arizmendi reveals more about himself than he intends here.

    Secondly, blaming internet porn, a recent phenomonen, is inconsistent with the RC claim that all this child abuse happened way in the past and things are much better now.

    Perhaps Bishop Arizmendi also reveals more about his church than he intends here.

  3. AngieRS says:

    Unbelievable.

  4. Holland says:

    I feel like saying a lot of things, but I am lost for words. Would like to nail the old mind- and children fuckers to a cross
    (nails n-o-t through the hands, some other extension…)

  5. Broadsword says:

    “Bishop Bernando Álvarez said that there were chil­dren who want­ed to be abused.

    Bishop Bernando Álvarez

    There are 13 year old ado­les­cents who are under age and who are per­fectly in agree­ment with, and what’s more want­ing it, and if you are care­less they will even pro­voke you.”

    Fucking hell.
    We all know that adolescent girls can be easily impressed and seduced by predators. In this situation you have to ask “Who is the adult here?”, “who is the grown up?”, who will apply common sense and basic human decency. This is the reason why schoolteachers do an excellent job.

    If you’re a priest however, then Lolita was fucking frothing at the gash. Bitch was asking for it.

    How many more times do these twats have to put their foot in it before their flocks see who the real wolf is?

    I normally come to the FT to have irreligious fun and take the piss. This post has left me with a mixture of anger and depression.

    Mussolini’s father was a “priest hater”, I wonder why?

  6. sailor1031 says:

    Another trial balloon. How many before they finally realize the failure is their own and not everybody else’s.

    Ivan: You really must not use unfair weapons such as facts and logic against these people – they are unarmed.

  7. sailor1031 says:

    sorry – I wrote “realize” when I should have wrote “admit”.

  8. In secular society there is a tendency for the abused to abuse others. Priests are victims too! Young men who confess to homosexuality are urged to enter the priesthood where they will be kept from temptation. Human beings need to be touched, it is not natural to live your life without sex. That much sexual repression and frustration sometimes manifests itself in abuse of the only people who don’t know how to say no to an adult they trust. The vatican knows all this, and has known it for quite some time!

    So what does Pope Ratbag & co do? Blame healthy sexuality for the toxic environment the church has cultivated for centuries! Oh boy oh boy you gotta do better than that! When is the average person going to see what a house of cards religion really is. Is the human race really so deluded that we can’t see that we are allowing, children to be raped, millions left unprotected against hiv/aids and young men scared into a perverted and unnatural life in the priesthood?

    I am begging you, all of you, make sure people know about these atrocities. Every time you see an article with information about vatican crimes, post a link to it on twitter and add the tag #VaticanGuilty This way if someone you know wants information you can send them there to get info from all over the world! It’s time to arrest the pope and hold the vatican accountable!

  9. Broadsword says:

    The catholic priesthood has been a magnet for paedophiles for years. Now, when the authorities are held to account everyone gives a shit. Keep on reporting, keep prosecuting, never fail to expose and embarrass.
    Bring them down.

    For me, this link sums it up:
    Please have a look. It says it all.

    http://lolgod.blogspot.com/2010/04/love-sinner-hate-sin-and-blame-victim.html

  10. Har Davids says:

    Blame the seculars, the Jews, sexual revolution, internet, TV, porn and now the victims!! An organisation that is arrogant enough to tell the rest of world how to live, isn’t able to live up to it’s own standards and, when caught with it’s pants down, blames everybody but it-self. I sincerely hope the pope will be arrested in the UK.

  11. Heather Flight says:

    Perhaps the real cause of child abuse is the child abuser. Call me old fashioned but that’s how I see it!

  12. Marcus says:

    Shame on every single one of these appalling apologists as they try to obfuscate and distract with their inane accusations. They are almost as sickening as the criminals themselves.

    You can only hope that good people of a catholic persuasion are deserting their church in droves the world over.

  13. Janstince says:

    I can’t help but wonder, putting together some pieces. Maybe the attraction to children isn’t merely because they are the most intimidable. I wonder what the average age is of a boy when he decides to give up sex and enter the seminary. If it’s in his early-mid teen years, then I’m thinking that these priests are going after the age group that they could last remember having sexual thoughts about. Or they could just be a bunch of nasties trying to hide out from the law, scared into believing they are a bunch of perverts because they are homosexual, or just plain power-hungry bastards. Just a thought.

  14. Uzza says:

    Well, they’ve had a long time to get their story straight, but there was no internet in 60 A.D.

  15. Broadsword says:

    @Uzza

    Your link is the best I’ve seen on this topic.

    You’re too modest. Blow your own trumpet, or better still, get yourself “blessed”.

  16. RL says:

    Thanks, Uzza – I just used your link in a blog post.

  17. William Harwood says:

    Uzza: the term “A.D.” is Christian propaganda that insults the world’s 5.5 billion non-Christians by telling them that they are living in the Year of the Master. Even liberal theologians have stopped using it. The scientifically neutral equivalent is “C.E.” for Common Era.

    I seriously doubt that the defenders of child-rape are trying to prove that god-addiction is a form of insanity. That is just the way it is turning out.

  18. Uzza says:

    ZOMG, a fatwa on my head. Behead those who insult non-christians! We’ve been saying Christian Era (CE) for 400 years, but now we’re supposed to say the C stands for Common and not notice we still start our dates with Jesus.

    C.E. is a stupid euphemism for people who can’t handle the fact that terms change their meanings over time. All these terms refer to the Gregorian calendar set up by the Pope back when he basically ruled the world. This insults me, and that’s why I used the more modern acronym, Asshole Date (AD), the assholes in question of course being pope Greg’s Raping Children Church (RCC).

  19. revjimbob says:

    Old joke:
    Q “What is the main cause of paedophilia?”
    A “Sexy kids”

  20. William Harwood says:

    “I am merely stating facts. That you do not believe them is not to your condemnation, only a comment on the state of your knowledge.”
    Raymond F. Jones, //The Alien//

  21. aufwuch says:

    Here in the states we have Bill Donohue of the “Catholic League”, the worst of the worst evil spin-casters. The CL is most likely Bill, in his basement with a PC and fax machine. A regular on Fox Right-wing Propoganda Network. Check this loon out…I was never a violent person, but if I had Bill in a room alone and some pliers…

  22. Uzza says:

    “facts”

    LOL!

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  24. Stuart W says:

    What will it take for these people to stop blaming external forces and take a deep look at internal ones?
    Bishop Álvarez’s statement reminds me of some of Jonathan King’s slimiest rants in which he basically argued that if underage children are sexually mature and willing then there are no victims.

  25. William Harwood says:

    I am reluctant to denounce a person who is basically on the side of truth and rationality (once bitten…) But I have no patience with unteachables. I did not identify any individual at whom my quotation of Raymond Jones was directed. But if the shoe fits …

  26. NeoWolfe says:

    Dr. Harwood,

    Actually all calendar designations AD, BCE, BC, CE, on the Gregorian calendar are often interpreted as Christian references. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini Bottom line the whole calendar is dated from an erroneous date of birth of Jesus, but it works and at least we are all on the same page when we use the terms.

    NeoWolfe

  27. NeoWolfe says:

    I have stated before, that is obvious that the only reason why the pedophilia of the catholic clergy was not exposed centuries ago was because the power of the church allowed them to threaten witnesses with charges of heresy, and a death penalty. Hmmm, victimized yet again.

    And as they rape the children, they fleeced the poor farmers and merchants for crippling taxes so they can commission enormous cathedrals with murals on the ceilings and grand statues depicting ridiculous myths. Invent their own dogma, including madonna worship and other blatant idolotry. A sewer of hypocrisy protending to be a moral compass. Why can’t the masses open their eyes?

    NeoWolfe

  28. William Harwood says:

    I do not disagree with previous postings about what CE meant to people who used it generations ago. Today it carries NO Christian implications. Virtually all biblical historians and an exponentially increasing number of liberal believers now use it on the understanding that it means Common Era. The godphuqt want to keep brainwashing us that we are living in the “Year of the Master.” We give them aid and comfort when we use AD.
    That CE/BCE has the same Year Dot as the Julian and Gregorian calenders is trivial. Persuading the masses that “AD” is insulting to both nontheists and adherents of alternative superstitions is a big enough problem. Trying to start a calendar from a different Year Dot not based on an inaccurate guess about when a bald hunchbacked dwarf was born would have had no chance of working.

  29. NeoWolfe says:

    Dr. Harwood,

    You draw your battlelines in silly places. We could start the calendar at the death of Julius Caesar, and it would work no better or worse. Since prehistory is forever fading as archaeology discovers older writings and artifacts, and our understanding expands, we cannot establish a day zero because it is forever moving. So we find a zero in the middle of the timeline and use negatives.

    Even biblethumpers believe jesus was born in 2 BC, but, who cares, we have a zero in time that we can all agree on, even if it’s based on legend and conjecture. The sane humans on the planet have yet to convince Americans to convert to the metric system. What do you suppose the chances are that they can renumber every archaeological textbook every written for the last five hundred years? We live in 2010 AD, CE not because it respects atheists, but because it’s convenient. We need to deal with it.

    NeoWolfe

  30. uzza says:

    The irony of being told “don’t say X because it offends us” on a blog dedicated to free speech and pointing out the folly of those who say “don’t say X because it offends us” apparently escaped you.

  31. William Harwood says:

    When an African American tells other African Americans not to say “nigger,” it is because doing so would help the new Klansmen keep the insult alive. Joining them in perpetuating the insult would be really stupid. Ditto nontheists continuing to use “AD.”

  32. NeoWolfe says:

    It’s not just posts that puts you back at the threadhead. It’s posts that went through the five minute countdown that continue to disappear. Maybe it will appear a couple of days later when the thread is about to disappear??? Bduke, can I at least have a voice while someone still cares? This isn’t right.

    NeoWolfe

  33. NeoWolfe says:

    shit!!!! here we go again. How relevent will my comment be when your software finally releases it?????

  34. Noodlemaz says:

    I think it’s at least the fifth time I’ve said this, but every time I read these things I’m amazed – simply because I thought that after the last horrific and dispicable excuse, it could not get any worse. Seems I am giving far more credit than is deserved.

  35. Janstince says:

    The RCC apology machine seems to be stuck in an infinite loop:
    while(true)
    { Open mouth;
    Insert foot;
    }

    I suppose we should be glad, to an extent. There is a new Facebook group rising in popularity:
    1 Million People Against Child Abuse in the Catholic Church
    Lots of Catholics joining and many saying that they won’t care if they are excommunicated, that these bastards need to be thrown down. I only hope many of them will complete the next step and realize xianity in general is fucked up.

  36. NeoWolfe says:

    Dr. Harwood said:

    ” Joining them in perpetuating the insult would be really stupid. Ditto nontheists continuing to use “AD.””

    Black people in America, especially those who embrace the street lingo, call each other “nigger” all the time. A black comedian, Katt Williams, uses the word more than he uses the word “the”. Dave Chapelle isn’t far behind. You only get in trouble if you use it, and you’re white.

    And you are correct, AD does translate, “in the year of our lord”, but CE, your apparent preference, is also frequently translated, “christian era”. BCE- “before the christian era”. BC- “before christ”. Our calendar is based on a zero placed at the theoretical birth of jesus, and all your objections are not going to change that. If, when I say we are living in 2010 AD, you think that disqualifies me as a freethinker, I say you are off your rails.

    NeoWolfe

  37. William Harwood says:

    message received. I still feel more insulted when a nontheist tells me we are living in the Year of the Master than when a Jesus addict says the same thing. But that does not mean that everyone else should be.

  38. milo says:

    jesus christ

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