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THAT “seriously offensive” memo leaked this weekend from the Foreign Office has plunged the Pope’s visit to Britain in jeopardy.

A furious Vatican, according to today’s Daily Mail, is claiming that “dark forces” within the Foreign Office (FO – now understood to mean “Fuck Off” ) are trying to scupper the £20-million trip, to be paid for by British taxpayers.

Papal aides have privately rejected a grovelling apology issued on behalf of Foreign Secretary David Miliband, who is said to have been “appalled” by the memo, which suggested, among other things, that Razinger should attend a gay wedding, open an abortion clinic, spend the night in a Bradford council flat – and perform forward rolls with children to promote healthy living.

A senior Vatican source said:

There are clearly dark forces within the British Government. While some are very eager for the visit to go well, there are others who are opposing it. This runs the risk of the trip being remembered for the memo and nothing else.

The aide added:

The Pope went to Turkey, a Muslim country, and had no problem at all. He visited Israel, no problem, and Jordan, an Arabic country, without any difficulty. However in Britain, which one would expect to see as a tolerant and democratic country, the climate is very different.

Senior Papal aides suggested the FO had not taken strong enough action against those responsible for the memo. No-one has been sacked.

One highly-placed Vatican source said:

This could have severe repercussions. It’s even possible the trip could be cancelled as this matter is hugely offensive.

But in public, the Vatican has formally accepted the Foreign Office’s unusually frank apology.

Mr Miliband dispatched the British ambassador to the Holy See, Francis Campbell, to personally meet Vatican officials to deliver the apology.

Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said:

I’m aware the Foreign Office has made a statement on this matter. We are not saying anything else as there is no need to ruin the good relations between the British Government and the Vatican.

Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy, who is in charge of arrangements for the papal visit in September, grovelled further yesterday, saying:

These memos are vile, they’re insulting, they’re an embarrassment, and on behalf of I think the whole of the United Kingdom I would want to apologise to His Holiness the Pope.

Murphy, by the way, has responded to the National Secular Society’s “Make the Pope Pay” petition, signed by 28,000 people,  which was delivered to Downing Street last month.

I understand your concerns about the cost to the taxpayer of the visit. As I confirmed in the press conference formally announcing the visit on March 16, this is a unique opportunity for the United Kingdom. The visit will bring significant benefits to the UK, principally through the strengthening of our relationship with the Holy See. Pope Benedict will visit the UK not solely as the leader of one of the world’s major religions, but also as a Head of State. The visit will incorporate both religious elements — in which the UK Government plays no role — and events in which the Government will have an important role. These events will offer valuable opportunities to continue our ongoing dialogue on a number of international issues, on which our co-operation can yield positive results. A purely pastoral visit would deny us those important opportunities …

As with any visit of this status, a proportion of the costs will fall to the UK Government. These can be divided into two categories. Policing costs will be met by the State from existing policing budgets. We cannot confirm the total size of these costs at this stage, as they will depend on an assessment of the security threat closer to the time. Non-policing costs are estimated at £15m for both pastoral and non-pastoral elements. Discussions are currently underway to firm up this estimate, and decide the appropriate level of contribution from the Government and the Catholic Bishops’ Conference. More detailed figures will be made public in due course.

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64 Responses to “‘Dark Forces’ in the UK are out to sabotage Pope Ratzinger’s visit, wails Vatican”

  1. Are we sure this isn’t just some surrealist TV show out of HBO, or something?

  2. Let’s hope the wretched little orc does now decide to stay at home instead of burdening us with his unwanted presence and the accompanying bill.

    Sadly, however, I can’t see it happening. So it’ll soon be time to start knocking a placard or two together, me thinks.

  3. If I didn’t know better, I’d say this whole memo thing was cooked up by our government – with or without the knowledge of the vatican – to give both sides an easy way out of going ahead with this visit.

  4. Oh, and:

    “However in Britain, which one would expect to see as a tolerant and democratic country, the climate is very different.”

    Sorry for not tolerating men in dresses who rape children, but we’re funny that way.

  5. I’ve said this before.
    They can’t sack anyone over this or their union will get involved and create one hell of a stink. I’m sure the Labour Party could do without the distraction and embarrassment so close to an election. They wouldn’t want to be seen stamping on any of the little people.

    The only “Dark Forces” in Britain are those who think Roman Catholicism and religion in general are a load of shite. We don’t want the Nazi Paedo Pope here and do not want to pay for it.

    Some pics:
    http://www.blogut.ca/wp-conten.....ondoms.jpg
    http://www.internetweekly.org/.....nsraum.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_seVd.....s-poor.jpg
    http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2.....444509.jpg

  6. IMHO the problem is, not his coming as such, but his arrogant pretense of not being criticized, contradicted and satirized. He thinks he has the right to judge the sexual behavior of others, whilst no-one can judge him. well, the old paedophile can dream on!

  7. I must say there is one thing that would persuade me to support a Papal visit to the UK.
    If Ratzi were ousted and Jimmy Saville was chosen as his successor.
    The man has a cracking turn of phrase (Now then, now then, now then!) and wears bling as if it were on him when he left the womb.

    http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media....._getty.jpg
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com.....7bddab.jpg

    HIV? Poverty? Jim’ll Fix it!

  8. Who the bloody hell does Jim Murphy think he is to offer an apology “on behalf of… the whole of the United Kingdom”? He’s just reinforcing all the prejudices and stereotypical views regarding pompous, self-important provincial politicians. Speak for yourself, mate!

  9. I understand Steven Mulvain who wrote the memo has been “transferred to other duties”.
    Is this FO speak for moved to another diocese?

  10. What kind of significant benefits will this visit bring to the UK and who needs strengthening of ‘our’ relationship with the Holy See? We’re talking about a theocracy in a couple of streets in Rome, with a reputation for aiding an abetting child-molesters that would love to push all of us back into the Middle Ages.

    And why should a civil servant be sacked if the pope allows his own gang to get away with almost anything?

  11. I’m beginning to wonder if the vatican isn’t working with professional outrage consultants from the east london mosque or CAIR

  12. RE Jim Murphy’s remarks:

    Pfft! Pompous, pretentious, presumptuous, puffed-up provincial politician proffers pathetic plea apropos papal prank!!

  13. Steven Mulvain eh? Good lad. I’d vote for him.

  14. barriejohn

    As we’re feeling poetic today here’s my contribution.
    I feel yours should be recited after a few pints.

    Ratzi was a paedo,
    Ratzi was a priest.
    Ratzi raped some infant boys,
    The vile disgusting beast.

  15. @ Har Davids I couldn’t agree more. What exactly are these benefits that Jim Murphy is on about? They certainly can’t be anything to do with trade, or employment, or security, or political policy. So that leaves fawning publicly to a sex crime apologist as just about the only thing that Britain can hope to get out of this visit. I say call it off now and to hell with the sensitivities of the catholic church.

  16. @Marcus

    According to the Beeb’s religious affairs correspondent, Robert Pigott, our government needs Ratzi’s help to combat global issues such as poverty and climate change.

    I can’t see it myself. Both are not helped by population growth and we all know what the pontiff thinks of contraception.

    The link is here:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8642404.stm

    More irreverence:
    http://skepticlawyer.com.au/wp.....ndoms2.jpg

  17. I think Jim Murphy is a devout Roman Catholic himself so at least we can be sure he speaks with all the prejudice and bigotry of his Papal Masters.

    As for the Junior Civil Servant who wrote the memo they will have to tread carefully as it was approved by a senior Civil Servant. Who he? Why does the young guy take the rap. I also understand that the laughter resounded all round Whitehall and at all levels.

    The Vatican threatens “serious repercussions” does it? What would these be? The State taking part in the State Visit (£20 million of your money) was created by the fascist dictator Mussolini as a favour to another Nazi Pope. Why should we pay attention to that? And why does Ratzi continue to rely on Diplomatic Immunity to protect him personally from prosecution.

    This nasty little creep only has the power we accede to him. Instead of the arse licking Milliband should tell him to F.O. i.e. Fuck Off. He has nothing to offer us but a stain on the reputation of the UK. He howls about a joke memo. What about the cries of agony from the decades of suffering of children who were brutalised by his nuns and priests and he put his creepy Church before the suffering of the children.

  18. Hang on a minute – it’s not sufficient to move the guy who committed the offence to another office? Funny, the Vatican took that approach with child rapists for a few generations and the current Pope and his crew found it perfectly acceptable. Sauce for the goose etc.

  19. What is disgraceful, as Broga has said, is that the guy who actually emailed this document has now been named publicly. Why? However, you’re not going to believe the next bit – Melanie Phillips has been allowed a whole page in the Mail to spout even more gibberish on the subject, as if this is the most important thing that has happened over the past week. Here is a sample, if you can stomach it! (My emphasis)

    Can you imagine a group of officials making such suggestions, light-hearted or not, about Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or other minorities associated with the Third World?
    Of course not. But the Catholics are fair game.

    This world view is by no means confined to the Foreign Office, but is widespread in fashionable circles, where bullying of Christians is rife.
    While the Vatican’s failure to deal with paedophile priests offers real cause for concern, the hysteria this has provoked is wildly disproportionate.

    Even if the diplomats’ paper was meant to be a joke, the fact that our supposedly brightest civil servants think like this is a dismal commentary on the state of the nation, its educational standards and its values.
    It shows how flippancy and shallowness coexist with a brutalised arrogance. Among those who purport to be the most liberal, educated and enlightened, minds are actually closed and display a vicious illiberalism and gross absence of respect for other points of view, particularly mainstream European religious faiths.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/deb.....z0mCxrtMB7

    No sign of “wildly disproportionate hysteria” being provoked here then!!

  20. PS Please feel free to add your comments on the Mail site!

    (This remark refers to a comment that I have just posted, and which I trust will appear on the site without too much delay.)

  21. yes there are dark forces at work here in the UK, you can’t move for abortion clinics and gay peopleand condom machines on every corner, maybe it’s better if the pope doesn’t come.

    Seriously don’t come here ratty you won’t be missed and nobody is going to lose any sleep go to someplace that gives a fuck you old twat.

  22. I came across a response from a government minister listing some of the things the Vatican could support the UK government on, thus justifying the visit. I can’t find it again, but I’m sure it included supporting aids treatment in Africa. How’s that for hypocrisy and how far is that from one of the suggested visit activities?
    I’m not even sure whether it was in an online newspaper or Radio 4. Can anyone recall it?

  23. Isn’t it a bugger when you can’t locate again a page that is germaine to what is being discussed? There is a lot of meaningless twaddle here. Brian, but I don’t see AIDS being mentioned:

    http://scmo.org/articles/566/1.....Page1.html

    Rt Hon Jim Murphy MP, Secretary of State for Scotland, is the Government Minister leading the preparations for the visit. He said:

    “This is an historic visit at an important time. The Pope will receive a very warm welcome from Catholics and people of all faiths.

    “As well as providing spiritual leadership to over a billion Catholics around the world, including six million in the UK, the Pope and the Holy See have great influence on global policy in areas such as international development, sustainability and the relationships between religions.

    “The Papal visit represents an unprecedented opportunity to strengthen ties between the UK and the Holy See on action to tackle poverty and climate change as well as the important role of faith in creating strong and cohesive communities. We aim to build further on the positive relationship we have developed in recent years.”

    Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh and President of the Catholics Bishops’ Conference of Scotland, said:

    “I am thrilled that the Pope has accepted the UK Government’s gracious invitation and I am sure he will receive a heartfelt welcome from Catholics as well as members of other faiths and people of goodwill.

    “A defining feature of Pope Benedict’s teaching has been to remind Europe of its Christian roots and culture and to give us guidance on the great moral issues of our day and it is my hope that we all open our hearts to his words.”

    I suppose they are talking about “strong and cohesive communities” like those in Northern Ireland, where Papal guidance regarding “the relationship between religions” has been so very successful! And as for “guidance on the great moral issues of the day”, I am, for once, speechless!!

  24. This footnote deals with immunisation, but I see that AIDS is studiously avoided!

    The Holy See has taken a great interest in many of the same foreign policy priorities as the UK. As well as backing the UN Millennium Development Goals for aid to the developing world, Vatican City was also the world’s first state to become carbon neutral. In 2006 the Pope bought the world’s first International Finance Facility bond on immunisation, a UK initiative to raise over $1bn to immunise people in 70 of the poorest countries of the world against diseases such as yellow fever, polio, measles and tetanus.

    I particularly like the boast about the Vatican becoming the “first state to become carbon neutral”, as there are less than one thousand inhabitants of this bogus “state”, which has a total area of about 44 hectares (110 acres), so that can’t have been too difficult to organize, can it?

  25. More gushing verbosity from Murdoch:

    Firstly, this is a visit from a head of state whom Britain benefits from having good relations with. Quietly, in recent years, Britain and the Vatican have worked together to achieve the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) which aim to eradicate extreme poverty, combat aids and protect the environment. Recently, Douglas Alexander, the International Development Secretary, writing in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s semi-official newspaper, explained that, “the Catholic Church… has been a crucial partner to the international community in helping to achieve the MDGs.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....018946.ece

    Of course, anyone with a grain of common sense realizes that as long as trade and financial agreements are hopelessly skewed in favour of the developed world (and particularly the USA), no amount of “initiatives” are going to leave the Third World substantially better off, and that is how Brown and co, doling out money like Santa Claus, want it!

  26. When one considers that the Vatican WILL NOT help anti-AIDS efforts that involve distributing or advocating the use of condoms, I’m not sure how much ‘help’ these initiatives Britain are working on them with have actually been. It’s a bit like having a mobility initiative for the disabled by people who consider using brakes on wheelchairs to be sinful.

    Jim Murphy does not speak for me in his apology nor in his allegations of anyone on the planet benefiting from Britain’s relationship with the theocracy in the middle of Rome other than the Holy See itself.

    I do hope the pope decides to, for want of a better expression, pull out.

  27. Nuts, hit submit too early.

    I was just going to add that though I hope the pope decides to pull out himself, it distresses me to know that the government would never dream of telling a man responsible for such crimes to piss off. The only way he won’t come is if he takes offence at a memo, not if the people supposedly representing us take offence at the despicable things he is responsible for himself. That sickens me, and every politician fawning over this man should be ashamed as they are horrendous human beings. Those who came up with these suggestions and wrote them on the memo should be commended for not showing fear or reverence to a figure who deserves nothing but contempt.

  28. Have a look at the comments for the last article. There’s a religiot having a pop at us.

  29. Well, the nob head doesn’t speak for me and I resent him saying he does.

  30. Someone is having a pop at us? I am insulted. I demand an apology from the Labour government. Or maybe I should just have him prosecuted for religious intolerance.

  31. And I’ve just told him so via the Scotland Office.

  32. Sorry guys I forgot.

    Don’t feed the troll.

  33. Gayness is a world threat!

  34. My best guess is that it was the Scottish office stuff but broadcast on Today by someone who forgot to cut out the AIDS bit first. OTOH I still can’t find any reference to the Vatican helping with the consequences of AIDS so I may be imagining it. Still, they’re damned if they did and they’re double damned if they didn’t, it seems to me!

  35. I just think it’s funny that they’re still afraid of the dark. Personally, I outgrew that fear when I was 5, and now I enjoy the dark, though it could be because I have excellent night vision.

  36. Bjohn,

    I know you are a contributer here. And personally, I appreciate the content of this site. But, let me whisper a secret in your ear, sometimes I skip posts because they’re too fucking long. When I run into your posts which are three in a row, all too fucking long, I begin to suspect you like to hear yourself talk. I’m long winded myself, but, I felt like something had to be said.

    NeoWolfe

  37. I’m sure it’s not my place to question the machinations of the Conclave, but what where they thinking when they picked him? He looks so sinister. At least John Paul II had a friendly little face, even in he did spout shite, but this one looks like Yoda.

    I don’t want him to come. I don’t like him. I’m not sorry.

  38. Enough already! Stop! Stop!

    I am sick to death of this whole furore.
    So many claims, so many counter-claims.
    The spell-binding hypocrisy, the sheer ‘I’m right you’re wrong’ BS.
    Who did what, who said what. The comparative squabbling.
    Look, let me make this as easy as I can for everyone….

    Pope whatever your name is this week,
    F**k off, eat s**t and die,
    and take as many of your true, faithful and loyal believers with you as you can.

    Problem solved. Controversy ended. See how easy it is?

  39. lead (noun); lead (present tense verb); led (past tense verb).
    altar (noun); alter (verb).
    its (adjective); it’s (contraction for it is).
    where (conjunction or adverb); we’re (contraction); were (verb).
    If this information is new, make a printout and keep it on your desk.
    A word to the wise is sufficient (cliche).

  40. NeoWolfe: I may well be a bit long-wided at times, but considering the fact that practically the entire content of my comments on this thread, as is often the case, were direct quotations from other sites (and an attempt to shed light on what Brian Jordan had said), I think your observation is well wide of the mark and an absolute bloody liberty! It’s entirely up to you whether to read comments or not, and your opinion is not going to sway me one way or the other. I’ll let YOU into a little secret as well: I don’t bother to read most of YOUR posts either, as you seem to be banging the same drum all the time, and I’ve heard enough of it!

  41. But if he doesn’t come there will be no opportunity for Hitchens, Dawkins and Co. to have him arrested, which even if it doesn’t succeed would be inspiring and a blow for atheism.

  42. Bj
    Don’t rise to it mate.If he doesn’t lke it he can join the FO?

  43. Is it not extraordinary that Milliband, our Foreign Secretary, grovels and prostrates himself before a gang of child molesters because they choose to be offended by a jokey memo expressing inherent truths.

    Meanwhile, the same gang of child molesters impugn the reputation of one of our most important Offices of State, the Foreign Office, by raving about “dark forces” within it. What “dark forces”, what evidence is there for this damaging calumny. And should not the responsibility of the Foreign Secretary be to defend his Department and demand an apology and retraction.

    The fact that he has not, and apparently dare not, shows how far we have sunk as a rational society and how abysmally unfitted he is for his role.

  44. Broga. Perhaps they are thinking about that time in the 80′s when the son of the American Ambassador turned out to be the devil. I remember seeing the documentary on TV. Played havoc with all and sundry. Pretty dark I would say. Perhaps the Vatican could send over their ‘Chief Exorcist’ to give the FO a good going over. As Bill Bailey would say – ‘Woo!’.

  45. I simply can’t believe it. The Daily Wail have yet ANOTHER feature on this story, this time by Sir Christopher Meyer, bearing THIS huge headline: Imagine the furore if the Foreign Office had insulted the Prophet Mohammed (oh, just imagine it!), and have also done a hatchet job on BOTH the people involved in the circulation of the memo.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/deb.....ammed.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-memo.html

    The comments on the latter article are beyond belief. I did spot one or two questioning this mass hysteria, but this one – “I’m currently mourning the death of this country’s once legendary sense of humour – is presently scoring Minus 159!!

  46. @Kev. I think you may have hit on the hidden agenda of Ratzi. The Vatican Exorcist has exorcised so successfully in the Vatican that he has time on his hands. Papa Ratzi wants him in the Foreign Office.

    @Barriejohn. Any paper that gives the time of day, never mind a column, to that daft bat Melanie Philipps may safely be regarded as seriously unbalanced. The Daily Mail was a Hitler supporter, gives you some idea of its judgement in the past and any improvement has yet to happen. Read by the scared lower middle classes without the education or intellect to absorb more worthwhile reading. They like it simple and stupid and they certainly get it.

  47. What gets my goat, Broga, is to see both Melanie Phillips AND Richard Littlesense appearing on the panel of Question Time – or rather, NOT seeing them, as I have virtually given up on the programme now!

  48. @barriejohn. I gave up watching a long time ago. What also gets my goat is the way the freedom of the airwaves is given, with princely rewards, to twats like those and others on the grisly Thought for the Day while the Stalinist type censorship of people like Richard Dawkins and the admirable A.C. Grayling – a particular favourite of mine – never get a look in. So what we have are a couple of right wing religious bigots treated like Socrates while the latter two are regarded as persona non grata. The latter two are, of course, both atheists. A.C. Grayling has a well judged, balanced and temporate approach and writes beautifully. Still not enough in our bigotted BBC.

  49. Even the MPs are all lightweights, and not worth listening to today, Broga. I remember when the programme featured such panellists as Barbara Castle, Dennis Healey, Tony Benn, David Owen, Roy Jenkins, Keith Joseph, Michael Heseltine, Ted Heath, and Enoch Powell. Love them or loathe them, you were at least sure of a debate worth listening to! I’m afraid I wouldn’t cross the street to listen to what Hazel Blears or Harriet Harperson have to say, and I thought that Yvette Cooper was the most arrogant and rude individual that I had ever seen on the programme!!

  50. Good-bye UK, you’ll feel the wrath of Ratzinger! And I was so hoping to come to London to visit friends.

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/.....909252092/

  51. Barriejohn, I’ve had my comment censored. They didn’t seem to like the fact that I mentioned Paedophilia, Islam and the catholic church in one sentence, so far from any one not calling Islam into question, that rag is censoring those who do.

  52. I know this is off topic but I thought Broadsword may like this.

    http://www.shotdeadinthehead.c.....px?pid=510

    PS.It’s been my ringtone for ages.

  53. Tony Benn was a politician of principle and he was always courteous. I agree also about Denis Healey and the others. I think another aspect of some of them was that had actually fought in a war and seen the consequences. And when you have been there you are going to be bloody cautious about getting the country involved again. I think Edward Heath commanded a tank outfit in WW2 and he was a brave man. And they certainly didn’t have this utterly contemptable attitude of that berk Blair, and others, that, “We must be prepared to make sacrfices in the interests of freedom.” What he actually meant was, “You make the sacrifices while I stay nice and safe here.”

    I have a particular contempt for Geoff Hoon, Blair War Minister. This man appeared in Iraq for all of five minutes, made a little speech about how important was their task in defending our freedoms, buggered off to the Officers Mess and then home. You will remember this same Hoon was the man caught on camera promising to influence legislation. Here is an interesting question: How many MP’s sons or daughters fought to defend those rights? I think the answer is 1 but I am prepared to be corrected.

  54. chrsbol

    Nice T-shirt.

    I might get one. With all the crap emails flying around any from family headed by “Broadsword Calling Danny Boy” signifies importance.

    The music in this link is my ringtone. The sheer madness of it usually sums up my day:
    http://www.weebls-stuff.com/to.....aaaaahaha/

  55. @ Broadsword Thank you so much for posting that link. I can’t get it out of my head now. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

  56. “This could have severe repercussions. It’s even possible the trip could be cancelled as this matter is hugely offensive.” Oh good, let’s offend some more.

  57. Certainly there will not be the faintest suggestion of an arrest; Holy Security will see to that. I hope they put him in a little glass box like the last one and that the eggers’ aim is true.

  58. Yes Heather.

    There’s a tradition of egging in Britain and the glass Paedmobile is just asking for it.

    If it happens, will Ratzi get stuck in like John Prescott I wonder? Will the politicians and the police be falling over themselves to aplogise? The fallout would be interesting.

  59. I was watching the end of the man who gave Ratzi his Diplomatic Immunity. This was Mussolini, the fascist dictator, and he was strung up by the heels as he deserved at the end of WW2. The programme was “Hitler’s Bodyguards” and Hitler was terrified when he heard the news in his bunker. Now Ratzi had training in Hitler Youth so I assume at some point he thought Adolf was one hell of a man. More to the point, how long is this diplomatic immunity nonsense to be allowed to persist for Ratzi. It was conferred on the Vatican by a Fascist who was strung up. Why should anyone take this Mickey Mouse Immunity seriously?

  60. This reminds me of this recent article.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2....._exorcist/

    The only evil or dark forces in the Vatican are the Dope himself and his homosexual pedophile cronies.

    Its just to easy to invoke the invisible (those who cannot be questioned) sky fairies when something is amiss.

    The Dope and the Catholic Church are responsible for more torture, murder, and all kinds of atrocities than any other cult in history.

  61. @Imfao. He dealt with 70,000 cases of satan causing problems. He was one busy son of a bitch and that is for sure. Makes the 5,000 being fed by Jesus look minor league.

  62. Berlin, May 1945.

    Josef Ratzinger crawls through the rubble of a devastated city.
    Panzerfaust at the ready……

    Ze Vorld shall hear from me again!

  63. @Broadsword. Or, ve haf ways of making you not talk.

  64. @Broga

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uuEa.....i+Pope.jpg