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‘Islam will dominate…’ and ‘kill Gordon Brown’ is NOT religious hate speech

A MUSLIM protester who daubed a war memorial with graffiti glorifying Osama Bin Laden and proclaiming “Islam will dominate the world” walked free from court after prosecutors ruled his actions were not motivated by religion.

Tohseef Shah, 21, could have faced a tougher sentence if the court had accepted that the grafitti  – which included a threat to kill the Prime Minister  – were inspired by religious hatred.

But  -  citing a loophole in the law  -  the Crown Prosecution Service chose not to charge him with that offence and he escaped with only a two-year conditional discharge and an order to pay the council £500 compensation after admitting causing criminal damage.

Yesterday the decision was attacked by politicians and veterans who were shocked by the desecration of the memorial in Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire.

According to this report,Tory MP Patrick Mercer, chairman of the Parliamentary Counter Terrorism sub-committee, said:

This is an outrage against our war dead.

Shah sprayed the words “Islam will dominate the world  -  Osama is on his way” and ‘Kill Gordon Brown’ on the plinth of the memorial in December.

Tohseef Shah

He was arrested after his DNA was found on the discarded spray-can but refused to give an explanation for his actions or show any remorse, a court heard.

A file was sent to lawyers at the Counter Terrorism Division of the CPS in London to see if there was a racially or religiously motivated connotation.

However when Shah appeared before magistrates this week, prosecutor Andrew Bodger said:

It was decided there was not enough evidence to prove this, and they decided it was politically motivated.

Defending, Mumtaz Chaudry said Shah did not hold extremist views.

This is nothing to do with his religious beliefs, his family’s beliefs or his cultural beliefs. He is just an ordinary guy. He is remorseful, but at the time of his interview he was simply answering questions and didn’t realise that was the right time to show remorse.

Local veterans reacted with horror last night. Roy Whenman, 78, who fought in the Korean War, said:

If what he wrote on the memorial wasn’t evidence of racial or religious hatred then what is? The memorial commemorates people of my generation who died for our freedom as well as those fighting in wars today.  It’s diabolical that someone could deface it in this way.

Community leaders among Burton- upon-Trent’s 4,000-strong Muslim population also slammed Shah’s actions.

Khadim Thathall, a former president of a mosque in the town, said:

This young man has clearly been radicalised by groups which are looking to cause trouble and it’s a pity that the court hasn’t been able to deal with him more strictly.

Shah  -  believed to be a former student of De Montfort University in Leicester  -  used a photograph of a flaming lion’s head superimposed on crossed Kalashnikov rifles on his Facebook profile which was deactived earlier today.

But the social networking site now has a group demanding that Shah be jailed then deported “to a more suitable country”.

Shah lives with his parents in a £200,000 detached house and works at his father’s car spares shop. Last night, he refused to discuss the case.

Instead he appointed Abdullah Ibn Abbas, who described himself as spiritual leader of a group called Road to Jannah, to speak on his behalf.

He said:

It really doesn’t concern us how the British people feel about the graffiti he wrote  -  the real outrage should be about the thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy.

The CPS said Shah’s offence could not be charged as a hate crime because the law requires that damage must target a particular religious or racial group.

It said:

While it was appreciated that what was sprayed on the memorial may have been perceived by some to be part of a racial or religious incident, no racial or religious group can be shown to have been targeted.

Update: May 2, 2010: The little creep appears to have resurfaced on Facebook here.

Hat tip: barrieJohn


46 responses to “‘Islam will dominate…’ and ‘kill Gordon Brown’ is NOT religious hate speech”

  1. Broadsword says:

    Fucking twat

    I’m from a military family. We currently have three serving.
    I don’t expect a cunt like Shah to respect a war memorial, just stay the fuck off it and to keep his fucking mouth closed. This WAS religious hatred, hatred of us infidels and the tools we use to defend ourselves from his kind. He should be made to clean it up himself. Fucking treason, that’s what it is. If he’s got family in (I assume) Pakistan he should fuck off and live with them. I hear the Swat Valley’s nice this time of year. I can also recommend Kajaki in Afghanistan. He’d soon want to come back here to live.
    Time to put on my “Hug a Muslim” T-shirt and see if any want to play with my flamethrower.
    Inarticulate rant I know, but these cunts are fucking living alongside us. Better watch your backs.

    I thought the muzzie bigbeard, Khadim Thathall, did fairly critcise Shah’s “sentence”. That’s something I suppose.

  2. Brian Jordan says:

    The CPS said Shah’s offence could not be charged as a hate crime because the law requires that damage must target a particular religious or racial group.

    So how come Harry Taylor, who mocked religion with a broad brush, was charged and found guilty of “religiously aggravated” offenses? Or was his behaviour cut and sliced into offenses against Christianity and offenses against Islam? Perhaps more to the point, Taylor didn’t target any religious group anyway – he targeted their block-headed religions.

  3. barriejohn says:

    Islam isn’t a religion now then, I take it. And if he’s so full of remorse over his ill-judged actions, why appoint a bigot like Abbas to speak on his behalf? I am waiting with bated breath for the chorus of disapproval from “moderate Muslims” in this country!

  4. Kev says:

    OK. I am going to hunt this git down and ram his stupid head into a brick wall until his eyes pop out then chop him up and feed him to my dogs. This is NOT motivated by any religious belief, racial hatred, or political allegiance. I just don’t like him. So that’s ok then.

  5. shargraves says:

    I’m stunned. If this was a white britain, spraying hate messages, his feet wouldn’t touch the floor! What kind of perversely self-defeatist society are we becoming?

    Are the udiciary so afraid to offend?

    Disgusting. I think graffitti is a blight as it is – and idiots with spray cans should be jailed anyway.

  6. shargraves says:

    udiciary = judiciary

  7. AngieRS says:

    Very bad decision and gives the green light to others that it is ok to vandalise these monuments. I’d like an explanation, though, why an anti-war protester can be nicked, prosecuted and jailed for defacing a statue of Churchill yet this nob head gets off scot free. Mind you, that British drunken yob who pissed over a war memorial and got off also wants a good slap. It’s no less insulting.

  8. Broga says:

    I am sickened by this. It is time the CPS got booted up the arse and out of their jobs. Scum like this must be laughing at us. What are our lads doing fighting, dying and being crippled in the service of so called freedom in their muslim countries.

    This compares interestingly with the sentence handed out to the man at Liverpool Airport. That, it was said, was an attack on religion. This is a religious attack on our war dead and that includes some of my relatives.

  9. barriejohn says:

    If his actions were “not religiously motivated” why write “Islam will dominate the World”? Not all the war dead are Christians, but this was undoubtedly a christian monument!

  10. Har Davids says:

    It was decided that this action was politically motivated; as far as I know today’s fundamentalists don’t mind mixing politics and religion. What if some non-muslim 21 yo had sprayed “Did you kill a muslim today?” on the wall of a mosque under the same circumstances? Would that have been considered a prank like Touseef’s seems to be?

  11. barriejohn says:

    BTW: The Mail has got this arse about tip, as usual! The headline refers to racially motivated crime, whereas the case itself, as their opening paragraph quite clearly indicates, revolved around whether this was a religiously motivated crime. People are being led astray here!

  12. Jon Kitten says:

    Absolutely outrageous. It shows that English law has placed itself in contempt for that which it alleges to serve, THE LAW of the land. This case is pretty much identical to the Harry Taylor case apart from the clear religious overtones. Yet again the CPS and English legal system bend over backwards to let an extremist off the hook.

    People who do this should be deported as “undesirable aliens” along with their families. And as for the idiot Abbas, he should join them.

    When is this nonsense going to stop and firm action taken to not only deal with what basically the English system has now “encouraged” further such disrespectful action by other silly twats. I can see more and more vandalism of OUR memorials and cultural sites.

    As to us killing thousands of their’s. I am sure they have probably killed far more of their own people than we have. Also if these wankers feel that strongly about it, DO NOT LIVE HERE. Scrounge the airfare home and piss off and do not ever come back. I can only guess that the parasitic existence stops this, the houses, the benefits and all these little things which stop them returning to their one room shacks.

    Makes you wonder what next and if it continues I can see the likelihood of a very unpleasant backlash and very right wing groups coming out of the woodwork as they seem to be doing in Europe.

    Sorry, barriejohn, I doubt moderate Muslims will speak a single word in diapproval, even on this site. It would be nice if they did and it would make them “part of the community”, but I guess their silence can also be taken as a comment. So how about it any moderate Muslims reading this?

  13. I see his Facebook page has mysteriously disappeared…

  14. NoName says:

    What about the Muslims being butchered and killed as a result of the policies of Muslim countries all around the world? The idiotic, oppressive policies towards women in Islamic countries?

    Of course his actions were religiously motivated. Saying a religion will dominate the world is not a political statement, it is a religious one. It seems obvious to me that the law is impotent when it comes to dealing with extremists because of fears that it will ignite tension between (some) Muslim groups and the rest of society.. What other reason could there be? He’s as guilty as sin, but is let walk free.. No doubt laughing about it with his buddies.

  15. Angela_K says:

    Once again the law is an ass, especially if you compare this case with Harry Taylor’s; but then our legal system is so terrified of upsetting the muzzies that it lets this piece of filth off with a fine. Vermin like Shah should be stripped of British citenzenship and deported.

  16. Stuart W says:

    Mumtaz Chaudry talks like an Onion creation.

    ‘Islam will dominate’
    ‘This is nothing to do with his religious beliefs’

    You could have a PhD in sarcasm and not be able to do this full justice.

  17. William Harwood says:

    It’s official. Non-rugbutters are second class citizens.

  18. Stonyground says:

    One problem that the Islamists have is their love of western manufactured goods. Once Islam dominates the world, where are the likes of Shah going to buy their hi-tech toys from?

  19. Heather Flight says:

    I feel very uncomfortable in my own country now. I have always advocated tolerance of diversity but how can we be tolerant of people who refuse to tolerate us?

    Tohseef Shah is precisely the sort of tosser that sways voters in the direction of the BNP.

    Angela is quite right; how can we possibly reconcile the sentencing of Taylor with that of Shah?

    What has the Muslim community to say about this, I wonder?

  20. Broadsword says:

    Heather Flight

    I imagine the muslim community are probably sniggering behind their hands at present.

    I’m sure some of you will have seen this pic before:
    http://home.granderiver.net/~capnjim/mission/islam_evil.jpg
    I’ve calmed down a bit since my earlier outburst. I’m no longer seething like an offended religiot. A bit of work can be therapeutic.

  21. Imran says:

    Dear Heather,
    The majority of muslim community is tired…tired of nutters like the idiot shown in the picture…and tired of the idiots you seen on the forum who see the action of a few and incite hatred for the whole community. I personally am not bothered to even find this amusing…its insulting that people like Broadsword would even think like that. Our religion teaches us to respect other religion, not threaten to kill people.
    But then…why just think of the muslim community…have you not seen the BNP…let me put things in perspective…there are more BNP supporters and sympathizers (and they are racist no matter what they say) then the nutters who pretend to be muslim and know nothing about Islam.
    I have been living here for 5 years…a professional…a migrant (no I don’t get any benefit you BNP scumbags because unlike you…I am highly educated and make more money and live comfortably so you can claim benefits) and so far have had no problem. Shah does not represent me or most muslims. But then no matter what I say…it won’t matter.

  22. Imran says:

    Please let me add one thing…I am also sick and tired of comments such as “you don’t like it…go home”…blah! blah!
    There are 2 million British Muslims…they are British citizens…if you don’t like…maybe you should pack up your bags and go somewhere where you are surrounded by white only!!! I find it amusing that when scum like Nick Griffin crawl out from their rat hole and say stuff which is openly racist…no one like Jon Kitten will say leave this country or go away. The minute an asian muslim idiot does something…someone is always ready to give them a ticket home. What home…this is their home…a fair few of these people were born here and more and more don’t keep any ties with their parents’ countries…they are BRITISH citizens and if you tolerate scum like Nick Griffin and are not ready to provide him with a plane ticket to join his pro-apartheid friends in a corner of south africa…then don’t come out and pass racist comments such as send them where they come from.

  23. chrsbol says:

    Somebody has just sent me this. If it’s too long Barry please delete.

    Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
    The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
    Very interesting statistics………mull this over,,,,,,,,,,,

    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is
    a complete, total, 100% system of life.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
    components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other
    components.

    Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
    agitate for their religious privileges.

    When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
    agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
    other components tend to creep in as well.

    Here’s how it works:

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any
    given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a
    peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is
    the case in:

    United States — Muslim 0.6%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1.8%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities
    and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
    among street gangs. This is happening in:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
    their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for
    the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
    securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase
    pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves —
    along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4..3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
    them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
    Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia
    law over the entire world.

    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
    lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In
    Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action
    offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in
    Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about
    Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections
    in:

    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
    militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
    churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
    attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers
    of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic
    ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya,
    the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77..5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run
    ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out
    the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been
    experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House
    of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a
    Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only
    word, such as in:

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the
    most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their
    blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

    ‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was
    me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family
    against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe
    against the world, and all of us against the infidel.’ — Leon Uris,
    ‘The Haj’

    It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under
    100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim
    populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and
    within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even
    enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor
    non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not
    integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas.
    They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a
    crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain
    nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the
    national average would indicate.

    Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population.
    But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
    Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of
    the world’s population by the end of this century.

  24. William Harwood says:

    With Islam unleashing a far greater assault on human freedom than Hideki Tojo ever did, where are Colonel Tibbets and the Enola Gay now that we really need them?

  25. Broga says:

    The message is clear: the moderate, temperate and accepting countries will, and are, being imposed on and the convenient tools for this are the “forward thinking, left wing, chattering classes” who fondly imagine that a multi-cultural paradise is on the way. Already, in the UK the policy of appeasement to Islam is scary. They don’t like a book and a Fatwa follows; they don’t have the time to pray six times a day or whatever and they are being discriminated against; little girls are having their clitoris removed and “Community Leaders” must be consulted; they want their religious leaders in the House of Lords and might still acheive this; they do not like certain films they find offensive and they must be removed.

    The really bizarre irony in all this is that Tony Blair backed up by Gordon Brown and the rest actually sent and continue to send UK military to defend “democracy” in muslim countries where the people they are supposedly defending are delighted every time the “defenders” are slaughtered. I think the UK, ever the poodle of the USA, has spent more and provided a greater military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan than any other European Country. In return we get a pat on the head and told that the “special relationship” – an utter phantasy – is very important.

    And just to end, our ever so religious, homeopathy loving and fan of weird New Age Medicines which he wants on the NHS, King to be Charles Windsor, is ambitious in his role of defender of all the faiths.

  26. barriejohn says:

    I hope you will all take the time to read this: I really do not know whether to laugh or cry!

    Many Westerners now interested in studying Islam : academic
    Saturday, May 1, 2010 21:51

    Padang, West Sumatra (ANTARA News) – A recent study has shown that many westerners have become interested in studying Islam comprehensively to find answers to questions related to nature, an Islamic acedemic said.

    Interest in studying Islam among westerners was increasing because they have come up against social and economic problems, questions of nature, they cannot solve, said Mohammad Siddik MA, director of the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIT) , here Saturday.

    Speaking on the sidelines of an international seminar themed “Islamic Epistemology and Education Reform”, Siddik said the westerners had come to the realization all the sciences they had been exploring and developing could not be truly understood only with common sense.

    He said a French scientist who had written a book on the Bible and the Koran had admitted that the Koran contained all-embracing knowledge about nature.

    “In fact, many western scientists have therefore converted to Islam,” he said, adding this was proof there was no dichotomy between Islam and science.

    According to Siddik, Islam was now growing fast in the western world. In the United States alone there were now 400 mosques whereas in the past there used to be only one.

    Many Americans had also converted to Islam due to emptiness in their souls, he said.

    http://www.antara.co.id/en/news/1272725471/many-westerners-now-interested-in-studying-islam-academic

    Are these people completely mad?

  27. Mark says:

    As usual, the spinelessness of British authorities never fails to astound. And if people are so afraid of the BNP, maybe the other parties might take the comments here as a clue to where opinion is heading, and spare the country the embarrassment of right wing fascism by taking, perhaps, a more even handed and informed approach to the problem. Or is that too much to ask?

    And Imran, your complaints might sound a little less hollow if you complained a bit less about the BNP (nobody really likes them, you know–they want a stiffer spine, not raving lunatics) and called for a little more action on the part of muslims. That would go a lot further in assuring people that you are serious, and may even undercut the BNP… if you’re really interested in that. Instead, you confabulate religion with race. Arabs are white–when they move out of the sunny climes, they’re as pale as the rest of us.

    And chrsbol, no demographic predication has ever been right. According to demographic predictions of bygone eras, all of North America should now be Chinese, or Irish, or Catholic, or Hispanic. But culture trumps demography. Muslim birth rates are falling into step with European birthrates, especially in Europe, for one reason: urbanization! The Catholic Church tried to engineer the revenge of the cradle in Quebec–and then, one day in 1967, all the churches emptied out. Radical Islam is a fad. It’s the new punk that disaffected youth in poor ghettos use to frighten their parents. This too shall pass.

  28. Pete H says:

    This country is weak as piss when it comes to this kind of thing. Thanks to 13 years of New Labour bending over and taking it up the harris from anyone (foreigner or British citizen) who wants to piss on this country and what it stands for.

    It’s exactly this kind of thing which has made their popularity plummet.

    This wasn’t a religiously motivated attack, eh? Well, the target may not have been a religion, but the motivation behind it certainly was, according the actual words sprayed on the memorial. Fucking disgusting, how scared this country has become to stand up for what’s right, and actually criticise/prosecute this kind of outrage, for fear of being seen as racist.

    Putting the lives, thoughts, freedoms and interests of the decent, law-abiding people of this country last, every fucking time.

    I can’t help but think about my late grandad. He landed on a Normandy beach in the early hours of D-Day, and served in France, Belgium, Holland and Germany. If he had lived to see the way this country has gone in the past few years, he’d be mortified. And I tell you something else. If he was still around, he’d give that horrible little cunt Shah the shoeing of his fucking life.

    Rant over, and apologies for my language.

  29. NeoWolfe says:

    The threadhead quoted Abbas:

    “the real outrage should be about the thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy.”

    I have to agree with the assessmentment of British policy. By now, if they were really taking their duties seriously, it should be tens, if not hundreds of thousands. You have to get their attention before they hear what you’re saying. Right???

    I’m a peace loving guy, but, there are some people you can’t reach, and as throughout history, you call up the bad boys to put down the idiots.

    Unfortunately, sometimes rich people use bad people to put down good people trying to make an honest living for their families, in the interest of company profits.

    You atheists think you are so important in the salvation of humanity, and maybe you are, but, as you bash on religion, you fail to see the big picture of the human condition. That’s where REAL freethinkers enter the picture.

    NeoWolfe

  30. Broadsword says:

    @Imran

    Your appearance in these pages is rare for a Muslim and appreciated.
    You can see for yourself the reaction of many here to Shah’s crime, which most feel he’s not been adequately punished for.

    The growing influence of Islam is a real concern for Westerners where we see almost daily news articles of religiosly motivated human rights abuses and murders:
    http://thereligionofpeace.com/
    We don’t want this happening here.
    You seem a reasonable man. I hope for our sakes you’re not one of a very few voices screaming in the wilderness.

    I’m not intolerant of any religion. It’s when their followers attempt to have an undue influence on our secular society and how I live my life that riles me.

    I doubt you’ll find much racism amongst the contributors here either. Have a look at some previous articles, not just about Islam, and you won’t find much support for Mr Griffin (or is it Blofeld? http://www.b3tards.com/u/af034bc0a138fda4ec70/nick-griffin-blofeld.jpg) and his toothbrush-moustache brigade. I thought we were all one race? It’s just that some, culturally or by choice, adhere to behavioural codes suited to the Dark Ages and earlier.

  31. Stonyground says:

    I think that we owe a little thank you to Imran for coming on and proving that there are moderate Muslims prepared to state that this fool does not represent them. I think that he made many good points regarding racism. The only thing that I would pick him up on is that although Islam does indeed teach respect for other religions, Although with a preference for the Abramic ones, it does also say that you should kill non believers and apostates.

  32. Kevin says:

    Without trying to minimise the feelings this has raised, or negate the link between a war memorial and the meaning behind the graffiti, but this is actually the sort of thing that Pat Condell says – “Islam will dominate the world unless we stop the politically correct notions”. Taking that to the absurd: if we don’t kill the weak-minded politicians who kow-tow to the notion that religions are protected, then Islam may just end up ruling.
    I sympathise with the prosecutors: If I spray-painted “catholic priests will always abuse, so brace yourselves” on an orphanage, am I mocking or supporting the catholic church?
    Comparisons to the Harry Taylor case – Not so much. Two wrongs don’t make a right – and such blatant intolerance deserved a penalty. It isn’t as if this young man has gotten off without one. The lad may not want to discuss this ’cause he was drunk or stoned at the time 🙂

  33. Broadsword says:

    My Nick Griffin/Blofeld link didn’t work.
    This one does:

    http://www.b3tards.com/u/af034bc0a138fda4ec70/nick-griffin-blofeld.jpg

    Sorry

  34. Brian Jordan says:

    He said a French scientist who had written a book on the Bible and the Koran had admitted that the Koran contained all-embracing knowledge about nature.

    Bucailleism – utter tosh. http://www.cis-ca.org/voices/b/bucaille.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucailleism

  35. barriejohn says:

    I assume that that is the person to whom he refers, Brian. I have discussed Dr Maurice Bucaille’s work elsewhere, and suffice it to say that it has been well and truly debunked, as this site indicates. Well – what else would you expect!

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Campbell/s1c2.html

  36. alec s thompson says:

    anyone fancy a quick lynching of this shah motherfucker? Anyone got his address and ill go give the little fuckwit a halal style correction!

  37. Swif & Bold says:

    http://www.facebook.com/AbuAlishah
    This is the scumbags facebook page

  38. alec s thompson says:

    @ swif
    I ment the cunts home address. But thanks for the(lack of) effort……twat!

  39. Heather Flight says:

    Dear Imran,

    Thank you for posting. I hope you do not, for one minute, believe me supportive of the BNP. I despise them.

    Stories like this one, however, will only serve to bolster their support among the ranks of the ignorant.

    Many people will draw an analogy between the judiciary’s treatment of Shah and that of Taylor, and in doing so will be infuriated by the contrasting differences.

    I accept that Shah is an extreme case and not representative of the majority of moderate Muslims.

  40. Robster says:

    Your courts are crazier than ours in Australia! How could that comment be not considered a religious comment? The story said it was the result of a loophole in the law. Time to seal that ‘loophole’ and get some sanity back into the argument. The loophole has been identified as a problem and must be fixed. As should muslims wishing to emmigrate to the UK, or the west in general.

  41. Fatima says:

    I am working abroad at the moment ( no doubt some of you on this forum, will think I should stay there)but I was very annoyed by the actions of this guy – most definitaly he should have got a more stiffer sentence, maybe some community work in an old peoples home or vetrans hospital where the people could recount their experiances, or made to watch the recent episode of South Park over and over!.I as a muslim found it funny. He should as someone said be given the task of cleaning it up at his or his families expense. He is young and very stupid ( This is not an excuse for his behaviour. He should also maybe work abroad in his country of origin, because he can never be truely british – Right? there he will see that people are very less than Islamic some of these countries are very corupt and then maybe he will see that some of the values he has and some of the way that he thinks owes the western democracy – the countries that our parents/grandparents migrated from ( at the request of Britain I might add)have lost the true spirt of Islam and if he went back to Pakistan, assuming thats his ancestral home he would be duped in 2 seconds flat.
    Theres no doubt to me that I love Britain but some of your commets make me wonder. Please people know that not every muslim is NOT a scrounger in recipt of state benefits and seeking to steal your council houses. I am educated to post graduate level pay my taxes, own my home send my child to independent school and do this as a muslim women, yet if I walked past people in the street some of them look at me with disgust. My question to you all is how many muslims do you actually know? I am tired of the comments that they keep themselves to themselves….maybe the first generation of migrants did that, dont we have so called ‘white flight’ now in the UK?. How many muslims do people know that are second or third generation and im not talking about a neighbour that you just say hi to. Statistically a muslim is more likely to know and associate with more none muslims if he wants to. If a guy from Scotland has only ever known other White Scotish people does that mean he is going to be racist..of course not.
    And finally please know that there are muslims working to change this kind of behaviour wether this is done privately or publicly the most important thing is that this change happens.

  42. Fatima says:

    sorry the guys name was Shah not Imran

  43. Muslim says:

    It took me a while to read that and now i dont know where to start! Firstly…The majority of Muslims that heard about Toseef and his antics were very angered and frustrated by this. Let me make this clear…it was wrong what he did and his actions can not be justified!However it goes to show how ignorant you people are for thinking that all muslims are supporting what he did. Islam is a peaceful way of life and people are intimidated by this…the polititians and media is constantly portraying “extreamists” and “terrorists” have a laugh! If a non muslim killed someone, that would be murder not terrorisim, now how does that work???

    Barriejohn…Dont know whether to laugh or cry? I would cry if i were you. Islam is the fasted growing religion in the world…no not due to terrorism but due to the truth and the way of life. Do you not think that very inteligent scientists have looked into all the scientific explanations of the world and how we exist, yet they have converted to Islam? Why do you think we are here? How did we get here? What is the purpose of our life…9-5 jobs and getting pissed?! No, i think not. So i dont think these people are mad…you may need to reconsider who the mad one is.

    Lastly i dont blame all you people for slandering Islam and telling us to go “home” if people portray this disgusting image of Islam…but i would just like to say this is not Islam. Iv had white people with their racist and anti-Islam comments, however i did not sterotype all white people. Like Imran and Fatima said we are not scrounging off your benefits, we are educated and open minded people and do not want to cause trouble. However we are constantly being attacked…You people should look into Islam yourselves and not believe everything the media tells you. You might learn a thing or two instead of being puppets in this world.

  44. Muslim says:

    Dont let this make you hate muslims, thats if you dont already. Get to know one or two and God willing your opinions may change. Sorry for any angry tones as it is very frustrating, and i also understand your frustration. Please consider what i have said, it is my job as a muslim to portray a positive image, even if it makes one of you think twice my job is done. =)

  45. asma says:

    We present our site

    Have a look to
    http://www.islam-documents.org

    (which is the improvment of the other islam-documents.com, once based in Tunisia).

    There is thousands of texts (around 20 000) about the origins of islam, with a critical, humanist, democratic and scientific view (and even ironical). It is now the bigger “sourcebook” on that subject, with often unpublished documents: Muhammad biographies (SIRA), the main books of traditions (HADITH) , muslim chronicles (TABARI…), companions biographies (TABAQAT), quranic verses, quranic commentaries (TAFSIR). It is sometimes funny, or stupid, ugly, frightening, but always interesting!

    A new version is now available, improved and corrected: around 3700 pages. We are working for a new version published every year.

    All is in french. so sorry. but you need to read it to understand muslim thinking and acts. It is a rare opportunity to reach genuine information from islamic doctrinal texts.

    Now, you won’t tell again: we just don’t know…

    Bye. Take care.