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	<title>Comments on: Burqa-ban MP Philip Hollobone steps up his campaign against the veil</title>
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		<title>By: Sophie Bush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophie Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are larger and more important problems facing this country than simply women wanting to cover their faces. Seriously, these MPs should start doing their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are larger and more important problems facing this country than simply women wanting to cover their faces. Seriously, these MPs should start doing their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it any different from asking someone to remove a crash helmet? It is common courtesy to remove the helmet, these women are obviously totally lacking in any such thing. Further, they have, over the centuries, had it beaten into them that if they do not cover up, any man would be justified in raping them. The fault would be theirs.

- Pete, i suggest you keep your ignorant opinions to yourself until u read and study the teachings of the holy Qur&#039;an instead of making your own assumptions about it. Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it any different from asking someone to remove a crash helmet? It is common courtesy to remove the helmet, these women are obviously totally lacking in any such thing. Further, they have, over the centuries, had it beaten into them that if they do not cover up, any man would be justified in raping them. The fault would be theirs.</p>
<p>- Pete, i suggest you keep your ignorant opinions to yourself until u read and study the teachings of the holy Qur&#8217;an instead of making your own assumptions about it. Disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banning the burkha?! A symbol of their faith for all muslim women. Why not bann the sikh turban aswell?! Christians wearing crosses?! These are all religious symbols. Why are only muslims being targeted!? I am sick and tired of muslims being discriminated against in such a way. I never expected such an outrageous suggestion to be made in what they call &quot;multi-cultural&quot; Britain. This is simply disgraceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning the burkha?! A symbol of their faith for all muslim women. Why not bann the sikh turban aswell?! Christians wearing crosses?! These are all religious symbols. Why are only muslims being targeted!? I am sick and tired of muslims being discriminated against in such a way. I never expected such an outrageous suggestion to be made in what they call &#8220;multi-cultural&#8221; Britain. This is simply disgraceful.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it any different from asking someone to remove a crash helmet? It is common courtesy to remove the helmet, these women are obviously totally lacking in any such thing. Further, they have, over the centuries, had it beaten into them that if they do not cover up, any man would be justified in raping them. The fault would be theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it any different from asking someone to remove a crash helmet? It is common courtesy to remove the helmet, these women are obviously totally lacking in any such thing. Further, they have, over the centuries, had it beaten into them that if they do not cover up, any man would be justified in raping them. The fault would be theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: kachro</title>
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		<dc:creator>kachro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The burkha issue is too big for the UK. It should be taken to the UN and an international agreement negotiated there. At the same time global rights to free speech, alcohol consumtion, right to wear any type of clothing should be brought in the negotiations. 

Until an agreement is reached the will of the democratic majority in each country should be allowed to decide for that country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The burkha issue is too big for the UK. It should be taken to the UN and an international agreement negotiated there. At the same time global rights to free speech, alcohol consumtion, right to wear any type of clothing should be brought in the negotiations. </p>
<p>Until an agreement is reached the will of the democratic majority in each country should be allowed to decide for that country.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Hollobone &#8211; Heroic Prophet or Complete Idiot? &#171; Men In Suits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Hollobone &#8211; Heroic Prophet or Complete Idiot? &#171; Men In Suits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been warned that he may fall foul of the Equality Act as a result of his claim that he will refuse to meet constituents who wear a burqa or a niqab. You can be reasonably sure that the Little Englanders and self-righteous warriors against [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been warned that he may fall foul of the Equality Act as a result of his claim that he will refuse to meet constituents who wear a burqa or a niqab. You can be reasonably sure that the Little Englanders and self-righteous warriors against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nash Ginai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nash Ginai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think Mr Hollobone is feulling the fires of religious intolerance. In a society that is quite happy to release convicted criminals earlier than their original sentences, problems with petty crimes, drug abuse and all other malfunctions, he decides to pick on women whose only crime is to follow what they belive to be a modest, righteous way of life without any reliance on the state.  All they want is to be represented by their MP who has taken on that role therefore agreed to represent all his constituents not just the ones that he likes the look of.  Does he not understand that the whole reason for these women&#039;s modesty of dress is so that they do not open themselves up to free mixing in social circles as a means of protecting themselves from the unwanted glances of men.  Whether he agrees with this sentiment or not is hardly the point, just that he shows his understanding and respect for the moral code of his constituents who may have higher standards than he himself.  
When i first heard Mr. Hollobone, it was one the radio not on the TV, yet his message was quite clear to me.  i did not have to see his face to understand his message.
I disagree with the commets above that Mr Hollobone has guts, i reckon it&#039;s more a case of bigotry and naziism peppered with ignorance and prejudice.
What is this about &quot;When in Rome .......&quot;, that&#039;s a laugh.  Wherever the British have gone, they have taken their habits, lifestyle and reluctance to intergrate with them.  How many of them took to wearing dhotis in India, nomadic lifestyle of the Masai, or living in Teepees as the native Americans.
i really regret voting conservative at the last elections.  
In case you hadn&#039;t guessed already i am a muslim and i make no apolgy for it.  I don&#039;t wear the burka but if my siters wish to then that is their right and i fully support them.  For them it is as it would be to ask Mr Hollobone to conduct his day to day business in his b&#039;day suit. 
Is he prepared to do that ( not that the burka ladies would want to be anywhere in the vicinity if he did .... actually maybe that&#039;s the way he can get out of this situation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think Mr Hollobone is feulling the fires of religious intolerance. In a society that is quite happy to release convicted criminals earlier than their original sentences, problems with petty crimes, drug abuse and all other malfunctions, he decides to pick on women whose only crime is to follow what they belive to be a modest, righteous way of life without any reliance on the state.  All they want is to be represented by their MP who has taken on that role therefore agreed to represent all his constituents not just the ones that he likes the look of.  Does he not understand that the whole reason for these women&#8217;s modesty of dress is so that they do not open themselves up to free mixing in social circles as a means of protecting themselves from the unwanted glances of men.  Whether he agrees with this sentiment or not is hardly the point, just that he shows his understanding and respect for the moral code of his constituents who may have higher standards than he himself.<br />
When i first heard Mr. Hollobone, it was one the radio not on the TV, yet his message was quite clear to me.  i did not have to see his face to understand his message.<br />
I disagree with the commets above that Mr Hollobone has guts, i reckon it&#8217;s more a case of bigotry and naziism peppered with ignorance and prejudice.<br />
What is this about &#8220;When in Rome &#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;, that&#8217;s a laugh.  Wherever the British have gone, they have taken their habits, lifestyle and reluctance to intergrate with them.  How many of them took to wearing dhotis in India, nomadic lifestyle of the Masai, or living in Teepees as the native Americans.<br />
i really regret voting conservative at the last elections.<br />
In case you hadn&#8217;t guessed already i am a muslim and i make no apolgy for it.  I don&#8217;t wear the burka but if my siters wish to then that is their right and i fully support them.  For them it is as it would be to ask Mr Hollobone to conduct his day to day business in his b&#8217;day suit.<br />
Is he prepared to do that ( not that the burka ladies would want to be anywhere in the vicinity if he did &#8230;. actually maybe that&#8217;s the way he can get out of this situation).</p>
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		<title>By: mal</title>
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		<dc:creator>mal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are all kinds of halloween masks outlawed under this legislation then too?
I don&#039;t know, while I hate the whole concept of burqas, I do support the right of a woman to wear one. Now are a lot of women forced to wear them? Yes, but forcing a woman to wear a burqa is already illegal. Outlawing the voluntary wearing of the burqa sounds to me like outlawing sex because of rape! 
Also, it makes no sense to me to outlaw the voluntary wearing of a burqa just because it offends my values... and even less sense to argue in this way on a &quot;freethinker&#039;s&quot; site as many in the comments did.

Also...

&quot;I could anticipate hundreds of thousands, if not more than one million, Turks heading our way. I am sure that the Turkish people are lovely people, but Britain is full up. We cannot cope with another mass wave of immigration.&quot;

One million? Just for Britain? And then I guess another million for France, right? Another two million for Germany as it has a large Turkish community already? Two more million for the rest of Europe?

So basically, it seems like he thinks that when Turkey gets accepted into Europe, 10% of its population will immediately flee the country. Yeah, right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are all kinds of halloween masks outlawed under this legislation then too?<br />
I don&#8217;t know, while I hate the whole concept of burqas, I do support the right of a woman to wear one. Now are a lot of women forced to wear them? Yes, but forcing a woman to wear a burqa is already illegal. Outlawing the voluntary wearing of the burqa sounds to me like outlawing sex because of rape!<br />
Also, it makes no sense to me to outlaw the voluntary wearing of a burqa just because it offends my values&#8230; and even less sense to argue in this way on a &#8220;freethinker&#8217;s&#8221; site as many in the comments did.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I could anticipate hundreds of thousands, if not more than one million, Turks heading our way. I am sure that the Turkish people are lovely people, but Britain is full up. We cannot cope with another mass wave of immigration.&#8221;</p>
<p>One million? Just for Britain? And then I guess another million for France, right? Another two million for Germany as it has a large Turkish community already? Two more million for the rest of Europe?</p>
<p>So basically, it seems like he thinks that when Turkey gets accepted into Europe, 10% of its population will immediately flee the country. Yeah, right.</p>
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		<title>By: FedupwithR</title>
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		<dc:creator>FedupwithR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Broadsword.
Your reply started me thinking about prejudices. We are all born atheist and free from religious dogmas, racial and class prejudices. As we grow our minds will be formed, informed, and misinformed by our environment and our experiences. The intellect, for the vast majority of mankind, is stultified. If only every one&#039;s brains where treated with as much care and attention as the flowers in Key Gardens, then perhaps they would not be the pathetic little boxes that most are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Broadsword.<br />
Your reply started me thinking about prejudices. We are all born atheist and free from religious dogmas, racial and class prejudices. As we grow our minds will be formed, informed, and misinformed by our environment and our experiences. The intellect, for the vast majority of mankind, is stultified. If only every one&#8217;s brains where treated with as much care and attention as the flowers in Key Gardens, then perhaps they would not be the pathetic little boxes that most are.</p>
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		<title>By: barriejohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>barriejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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