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Anti-gay lunatic Scott Lively attempts to wash his hands of David Kato’s murder

A LEADING player in a US-rooted campaign to stoke up hatred against homosexuals in Uganda is denying that that his visit to that country in 2009, along with other US evangelicals, had anything to do with the brutal killing this week of human rights champion David Kato.

Pastor Scott Lively

Pastor Scott Lively, author of two ghastly pieces of anti-gay propaganda – The Pink Swastika and The Poisoned Stream (both available via brutal wife-beater Stephen “Birdshit”Green‘s Christian Voice website) – said in a statement published on the  Defend the Family site:

For liberals … to claim that responsible criticism of homosexuality, such as my 2009 seminars in Kampala, constitutes incitement to violence is unfair and opportunistic. It is not wrong to speak against homosexuality any more than it is wrong to speak against other behavioral disorders such as alcoholism and bulemia, or other sexual sins such as adultery and polygamy. Anyone who were to take such criticism as permission to hurt another person is simply crazy and you can’t silence all legitimate criticism of a social problem because some crazy person might misconstue (sic) it.

And Lively claims that there is no evidence that Kato’s murder was a hate crime.

My first comment on this matter was to caution the media not to rush to judge this as a hate crime since at that time no one had been arrested for the crime so the motive was purely a matter of conjecture. CNN was reporting that money and clothing had been stolen from his house, which suggested a run-of-the-mill criminal intent. I also suggested the possibility that he was killed by a “gay” lover, as was the case with another homosexual activist two weeks ago in New York.

David Kato

Meanwhile, it is reported here that Don Schmierer, one of the evangelicals who accompanied Lively to Uganda, called the incident “horrible”.

Naturally, I don’t want anyone killed, but I don’t feel I had anything to do with that.

Lively, who relocated to Massachusetts in 2008 and opened up a Christian coffee shop in Springfield, has come under fire lately, and not just because of his anti-gay views — which, Lively told the Globe, he is trying to downplay. News surfaced earlier this month that Lively employed a convicted sex offender at his Springfield coffee shop. This was after town officials slammed Lively’s shop for providing a safe haven for students who were skipping school during the day.

Further hatred was directed on yesterday against Ugandan gays by the presiding pastor at David Kato’s funeral.

Towards the end of an emotional ceremony to mourn Kato, who was bludgeoned to death on Wednesday, Anglican pastor Thomas Musoke launched into a homophobic tirade, shocking the dozens of gay men and women as well as foreign diplomats in attendance. Said Musoke:

The world has gone crazy. People are turning away from the scriptures. They should turn back, they should abandon what they are doing. You cannot start admiring a fellow man.

Witnesses said that Kato’s former colleagues at Sexual Minorities Uganda, where he worked as an advocacy officer, quickly shouted Musoke down. One woman screamed:

We have not come to fight. You are not the judge of us. As long as he’s gone to God his creator, who are we to judge Kato?

The microphone was grabbed from Musoke, and a scuffle ensued. Police were forced to intervene, escorting the pastor away from the funeral.

The incident highlighted the deep, religiously-stoked homophobia that exists in Uganda, and which Kato’s friends believe may have caused his death. He was one of few openly homosexual men in the country, and was a regarded as the “grandfather” of the gay community due to his long struggle for equal rights. His death came just three weeks after he won a court victory against a newspaper that had called for him to be hanged.

30 Responses to “Anti-gay lunatic Scott Lively attempts to wash his hands of David Kato’s murder”

  1. dogon says:

    So…. let him who is without sin cast the first stone…..

    The religious abide by their own parables …..but only when it suits them.

  2. Broga says:

    =It is not wrong to speak against homosexuality any more than it is wrong to speak against other behavioral disorders…….=

    I can think of lots of behavioural disorders such as believing in an imaginary being who is able to read everyone’s thoughts, believing that this being who is omniscient can be persuaded to change his mind, believing in a being who is made up of three parts and who has one of these parts tortured at length to save millions from sins in the future, eating wafers while being convinced that these are the being’s flesh, insisting on celibacy despite that same being placing fierce and usually ineluctable sexual drives in our bodies …… That’ll do for now.

  3. Dave Gilbert says:

    So, instead of living their life like that of Jesus’, they are in fact living it like Pontius Pilate and washing their hands of their deeds. Oh how the worms have turned.

  4. JohnMWhite says:

    Agreed, Broga – if anyone thought there was someone in their head, reading their thoughts and judging them based on every little thing and they simply didn’t call that entity ‘god’, they would be considered to have a serious psychiatric or behavioural condition controlling their thoughts and actions.

    I will accept criticism of homosexuality from the religious as being valid and not just pure hate the day I see them speaking out with equal fervor against planting two crops in the same field, trimming beards, eating pork and wearing polyester. This never seems to come up, of course, despite being given equal treatment as abominations in their holy book. There is no getting away from the fact that religious criticism of homosexuality is pure homophobia.

  5. mikespeir says:

    Denial, as they say, ain’t just a river.

  6. David Anderson says:

    I recently watched a video of this repulsive excuse for a human giving one of his little seminars where he described gay people as; Nazis, killers, serial killers, the people capable of running gas chambers and responsible for the Rwanda genocide. Any one with the stomach to watch this turd can see it at;
    http://www.miketidmus.com/blog/2010/01/80/maddow-airs-video-of-scott-lively/
    Next up, Wendy Pollock a quack homeopath from Main is travelling to Tanzania to treat AIDS with homeopathy. This gobshite is with an organisation called “Homeopathy Without Borders”, thus leaching off the goodwill earned by proper proffesionals.
    When are these people going to stop hurting Africa?

  7. L.Long says:

    Just as in the 12th thru 15th centuries when they were busy burning witches.
    “It not our fault they are being burnt (as they pushed the torches into the pile of wood) as these women accepted satan into their heart and we must burn him out so they may enter heaven”
    Ya! sure! it isn’t their fault.
    Just as telling everyone to return to the buyBull for their proper life where it says kill the gay, but it aint their fault.
    But since 80% of the USA is xtian then there will be a lot of people who will believe -it aint their fault.
    End of course all these people will soon be getting cured of their many ills as soon as the Holistics and homeopaths get there!
    I would LOL except it is way to sad.

  8. Har Davids says:

    Of course, people like Scott Lively are just telling us how their god sees things and they can’t help others taking their words out of their context and actually go and kills the alleged sinners. ‘The Pink Swastika’ is just based on historical facts and resposible criticism is not incitement to murder. The moment your ‘resposible criticism’ is being taken by many people as a license to kill, like it seems to be the case in Uganda, it’s time to reconsider but with god on your side, why bother?

    What’s with these people: they hate because of their selective interpretation of religion, or do they become religious to justify their hatred?

  9. Daz says:

    Someone needs to introduce Mr Lively (Scott Lively: sounds like a musical instruction to bagpipe players) to the concept of cause and effect.

  10. AngieRS says:

    They can’t wash their hands of it so easily. You don’t just pootle over to a country which you already know is virulently homophobic, particularly amongst the very section of society you are visiting, preach your lies and expect nothing to happen.
    You don’t preach to a body of people that you already know are with you, without hoping and expecting things to happen from that.
    These Americans are as guilty of the murder of David Kato as is the person(s) who wielded the murder weapon.

  11. Barry Duke says:

    Har Davids says: ‘The Pink Swastika’ is just based on historical facts and responsible criticism is not incitement to murder.

    Arlene Stein, in a 1998 article from Sociological Perspectives (Vol. 41, No. 3 [1998], pp. 519-540) entitled “Whose Memories? Whose Victimhood? Contests for the Holocaust Frame in Recent Social Movement Discourse” makes a strong case against Lively and against all groups – whether Christian or secular, from the political Right or Left – who try to revise the historical record of the Holocaust for their own contemporary political ends.

    Here is an extract:

    The book is a carefully constructed piece of political rhetoric, mixing serious scholarship with lies and outright distortions, truths with half-truths and falsehoods. The authors draw upon a variety of scholarly sources to make the argument that many, if not all, of the major leaders of the Nazi movement in Germany were homosexuals-including Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Himmler, and Hess. While they do admit that homosexuals were persecuted by the Nazis, they suggest that homosexuals comprised the core of the Nazi Party. The Pink Swastika explains how homosexuals can be both Nazis and their victims. The authors contend that more masculine, “butch” homosexuals were responsible for building the Nazi party and creating the SA, or Brownshirts. Male homosexual “femmes” were persecuted by the Nazis, but largely escaped death…The Pink Swastika concludes with the claim that the contemporary gay rights movement, far from sharing a historical lineage with Holocaust ‘victims,’ actually has historical links to the Nazi perpetrators of genocide.

    See:

    http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/08/a-historians-analysis-of-the-pink-swastika-part-1/

    http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/09/a-historians-analysis-of-the-pink-swastika-part-2/

  12. Their guilt is written in their own hypoxcrite useless attempts to discard a blame that is fully theirs, and anti-gay liars and lunatics like “the pink swastika”, a urban bloody legend. No nazi was ever permitted to declare himself homosexual, or it would have been expelled. Nazis, evangelists, ugandan antui-gays: all mmurderers.

  13. Harry says:

    I think some of these people who advise that others read the bible to learn of morality just don’t realise how much hate the book contains. People who have read the bible often miss the things they don’t want to read.

  14. NeoWolfe says:

    BDuke, great to hear from you again.

    I was supremely entertained by this quote from the pastor presiding at the funeral for Mr. Kato:

    “The world has gone crazy. People are turning away from the scriptures. They should turn back, they should abandon what they are doing. You cannot start admiring a fellow man.”

    I can’t help but be reminded of Fred Phelps and his band of lunies protesting at military funerals. Is there a more sick and perverted act than to insult grieving family members after a devastating loss?

    JWhite makes an excellent point:

    “I will accept criticism of homosexuality from the religious as being valid and not just pure hate the day I see them speaking out with equal fervor against planting two crops in the same field, trimming beards, eating pork and wearing polyester.”

    If it were possible for a fundie to actually honestly compare their lifestyle to the edicts of the mosaic law, or even christian “paulism”, they would realize they have deviated far afield from the laws they claim to adore. Stoning disobedient children, women obeying their husbands without question, women covering their heads while praying, women being religiously unclean while they are menstruating. Etc.

    Honesty dictates that they are religious progressives, and like the rest of the world have gone crazy and left the scriptures. Yet, they jealously cling to their piece of holy hatred, even though science has shown that homosexuality and even transgender metamorphosis is common throughout their god’s creation. Convenient blindness.

    NeoWolfe

  15. barriejohn says:

    I think that Har Davids was employing irony again!

  16. barriejohn says:

    Regarding Homoeopathy Without Borders: Wouldn’t it make much more sense to introduce a tiny drop of their magic liquid into the sea so that the currents Could eventually transport it to the African coast where it would have been further diluted to such an enormous degree that its efficacy in curing AIDS would be plain for all to see?

    (PS I have a scientific background. This sort of thing would not ordinarily suggest itself to the layman!)

  17. barriejohn says:

    Hahaha – P Z Myers calls them Quackery Without Scruples!

    Classic quote (as usual): “If their health care is substandard, isn’t it rather cruel to charge in and make it worse?”

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/rename_it_to_quackery_without.php

    This site is SO educational!!

  18. Sailor1031 says:

    Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Himmler, and Hess all “homosexuals”? Totally untrue! They are all known to have been heterosexual and, surprisingly, on the whole true to their women. The “homosexual” was Ernst Roehm, purged in the “night of the long knives”. After that if you were gay, you better keep it to yourself………

    Aren’t “christians” supposed to be truthful? I’m sure that’s in their scripture somewhere…..

  19. barriejohn says:

    David Anderson’s link appears to be broken, but there are eight videos of Lively expounding his theories re homosexuals and Nazism on YouTube. Here’s the link to No 1:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEiB2R52ynY

  20. valdemar says:

    Yes, but remember it’s Christian who want to run gay-free B&B’s who are the real victims here, not some black guy getting murdered in a faraway land of which we know little. It’s very important to keep a sense of perspective.

    Put another way, what a bunch of hypocritical bastards. If the Second Coming happened tomorrow, what would these Christians say to their Christ? ‘I got a bit carried away, Lord. Not my fault, really. You should have jazzed up the Sermon on the Mount a bit, it’s so totally forgettable! Maybe this time round you could add a few car chases?’

  21. barriejohn says:

    Valdemar: read this and weep!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1352024/The-calls-killed-week-prove-bedrock-values-society-grave-danger.html

    As Johann Hari said:

    To justify their discrimination against gay people, these few homophobes concoct a scenario in which they are The Real Victims.

  22. Dave Gilbert says:

    @ Valdemar

    If the Second Coming happened tomorrow, what would these Christians say to their Christ?

    I was only following orders?

  23. barriejohn says:

    If the Second Coming happened tomorrow, what would these Christians say to their Christ?

    “But I thought it’s what you would have wanted!”

  24. NeoWolfe says:

    BJohn,

    I tuned into Mr. Lively’s youtube seminar. They spent the entire first segment introducing him. Then he states what sounds like an impressive resume, but, with one stark void. I.E., any expertise on the subject of history. Zero. He tries to whitewash over this by claiming he has orthodox Jews on his staff of researchers. We all know how objective orthodox Jews are on the subject of homosexuality. As he claims persecution by a civil rights group, who answered his question as to why his organization was labeled a hate group, that his theories were supported by no accredited historian, he asks the audience, “since when has that ever had anything to do with the truth?”

    The novelty had worn off, I realized I was listening to Fred Phelps with a dubious law degree. I’ve decided to write a book called the “Pink Popes”, and I’m sure I can sign on a few orthodox Jews to the project. :-)

    NeoWolfe

  25. barriejohn says:

    The guy introducing him sets the tone by stating that “We stand for the Judaeo/Christian principles on which our nation was founded”! From there it can only possibly go downhill!!

  26. NeoWolfe says:

    Bjohn,

    The movers and shakers, the builders of the Constitution of the United States were freemasons. True to their history and tradition, they tolerated all religions and welcomed members of all religions with the stipulation that whatever god you worship, to do so wholeheartedly. Thus, it is no surprise to find the word, “god” in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. (where’s a proofreader when you really need one?)

    But, in that context, it is also no surprise that the first amendment establishes that THERE IS NOT, NOR SHALL EVER BE A STATE RELIGION, and that includes christianity. But, if christianity desires a piece of American history, they certainly are entitled to “slavery”. The southern baptist church was last of the legitimate christian religions to begrudgingly grant humanity to African Americans (if they ever genuinely did).

    NeoWolfe