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Christianity is the antidote to nasty things like Nazism, claims foolish Catholic bishop

IF A contest had been staged in the UK to find the most offensive Easter sermon of 2012, Mark Davies, the Roman Catholic Bishop of Shrewbury would surely have shashayed off with the top prize.

The Roman Catholic Bishop Of Shrewsbury, Mark Davies

Davies, according to this report, used the PAGAN festival to warn Britons that if they persisted in undermining Christianity, the country would fall victims to “the most sinister of ideologies” – such as Nazism.

This posturing nitwit – who surely must be aware of the fact that it was German Catholics and the Roman Catholic Church who put total power within the Nazis’ reach – said:

It has, indeed, been the experience of this past century, as both Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have observed, how the most poisonous ideologies have arisen within the Christian nations of Europe.

Thus Nazism or Communism attempted to discard the Christian inheritance of faith and morality as if it had never existed.  They sought either to return to the pagan past or to ‘re-create’ and ‘redeem’ humanity by political will and ideology with terrible consequences.

He then lamented:

Today we are becoming increasingly aware that there are those in leading positions within our society who wish to see history somehow reversed, who wish the very light which Christianity brought to these islands would recede.

Equally foolish, but in this case simply vacuous and banal, were the words of “Dumbledore”. The Archbishop of Canterbury used his last Easter message before his retirement later this year to attack what he called the downgrading of religious education.

Rowan Williams criticised the Government for not including religious education as a subject counting towards the English baccalaureate, an alternative to A-levels which is being offered by more and more schools.

Keith Porteous Wood, Executive Director of the National Secular Society, summed up the collective Easter tosh thus:

The churches are in revivalist mode and are stopping at nothing to stem their haemorrhaging support and boost their power.

To do so they are inventing persecution, threatening the Government, rewriting history and even persecuting an oppressed minority – gay people.

Hat Tip: Agent Cormac

62 Responses to “Christianity is the antidote to nasty things like Nazism, claims foolish Catholic bishop”

  1. Buffy says:

    What’s amazing is they say stuff like that with a straight face.

  2. Har Davids says:

    ‘The very light which Christianity brought to these islands’, and the rest of the world, of course. Cherry-picking his holy book is not enough for the bishop, he also ignores the heinous actions that Christianity has promoted through the ages, and I don’t need to mention those. Claiming his faith as some kind of a blessing for mankind takes huge balls, I guess that’s one of the reasons he didn’t wear pants during his homely.

  3. Broga says:

    Mark Davies is not only selective in his bible readings (he has to be, of course) but in his history and of his church being in cahoots with Hitler. The signs of desperation are everywhere now. Any lie will do to try and nail the disappearing flock to the pews.

  4. tony e says:

    These people are so disconnected from reality it’s breathtaking.

    It’s insulting that a senior member the biggest supporter of Nazism, the RC church, can be allowed to come out with such nonsense and expect to get away with it.

    I did not hear the sermon, but I bet he forgot to mention the reichskonkordat (which is still in place), the wholesale massacre of Jews in the Ukraine and Slovakia, the ratlines, and most damning of all, the silence on the holocaust by Pius XII.

    Disgusting attempt to whitewash history.

  5. Ivan says:

    Clearly the pontificating quarter-wit has never read Mein Kampf with its glowing reference the Christianity. In fact, it appears he never even got so far as reading infamous the Nazi belt buckle. And as for Pope Pius XII……

  6. barriejohn says:

    I just HAVE to post this link again:

    http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/catholics.php

    Read some of Joseph McCabe’s writings as well if you can.

  7. Phil says:

    What a preposterous, offensive, self righteous TWAT! “the Christian inheritance of faith and morality” – when will these morons get it into their heads that religion (including christianity) does not have the authority of what is moral and what is not. If it did we’d all have slaves, be selling our daughters, be slaughtering neighbouring tribes (all stuff the old testament says is ok) and overall probably still be in the bronze age. We have morality DESPITE christianity, not because of it. TWAT!

  8. stargraves says:

    Regardless of the past two thousand years of the christian legacy of anti-human oppression, their weird belief in a collection of old myths assembled by a Roman Emperor, the awful way it was spread by the sword laying waste to the pagan beliefs it supplanted in conquered lands, their current comical persecution complex, their hatred of women and gays, their insultingly immature attitude to sexuality, the crippling guilt they instill, the gullibility of their followers, the awful sex crimes against children that they conceal, their ludicrous valuing of blind faith over knowledge, their fear and rejection of science, their hateful attitudes to women’s reproductive health, their abject rejection of the ideals of human rights and equality, their constant rewriting of history in their favour, their outlandish claim to have moral authority when their entire outlook on life is so juvenile and warped, and so on and so on…

    Just look at that grown man’s fucking hat.

    Just. Look. At. Their. Hats.

    I know.

    Just how? How can ANYONE take anything they say or do seriously.

    And, when they do open their mouths and start talking about a magic bronze age carpenter, everlasting paradise when you are dead, and also – giving them your MONEY so they can afford golden dresses and THOSE HATS! Then their followers get all they deserve. Each to their own – believe in whatever floats your boat – just get them out of positions of public authority like that nutter MP Gary Streeter, and keep them in their churches.

    PS – Happy Oestre!

  9. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    These people are unbelievable. They spout the most spurious nonsense, ignore history (or rewrite it) forgetting that there are those still alive who went through that history and can refute their mindless utterings.

    I have heard so many calls to the faithful just recently, all saying that secularism is the worst possible thing there is, they are really rattled like they have never been in their history. They know they are losing, that anyone can see through their crap and they are clutching at straws to try to save themselves.

  10. Stonyground says:

    I hope you are right GMR, that these desperate lies will dig them even deeper into the mire. I am hopeful that many people are knowledgeable enough to know about Christianity’s contribution to the Holocaust and that many more will just ignore them.

    If Williams wants to worry about RE in schools, he needs to concern himself with the fact that all the major religions are now covered, in all their contradictory detail. Back when I was at school in the sixties and seventies, only Christianity was covered along with the bit of judaism that was unavoidable. Most of the kids will see the obvious, that they can’t all be true and probably none of them are. Any that do become religious are more likely to choose Buddha than Jesus, or some kind of vaguely spiritual Pick’n’Mix of their own design.

  11. Stephen Turner says:

    Here’s an article in English about the Easter sermon by the Bishop of Alcalá de Henares (Spain), apparently broadcast on the equivalent of the BBC.

    http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_34289.shtml

    The comments about it were encouraging though.

    Where do they get these guys from? A while back (Christmas?) the Bishop of Córdoba said that there was a secret UNESCO plot to convert half the world’s population into homosexuals.

  12. AgentCormac says:

    GM-R & Stonyground

    This whole odious, disingenuous outpouring seems to me to be symptomatic of real fear and a real desperation by the church worldwide. They know they are losing the argument. They know they can no longer stem the tide. I noticed the poop made some rather telling comments in his own easter address which warned of the threat to faith by modern technology. Damn right! Thanks to the internet the cat is well and truly out of the bag, and communities like this one are, to my mind, doing a fantastic job of pushing religion into the spotlight of reason. A position it clearly does not enjoy being in, and one it will do or say anything it can to avoid.

  13. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: That link is the most devastating destruction of the criminal RC Church that I have ever read. And the BBC still opens its airways to it, invites its priests on to TFTD while denying secular views and the government offers continuing support.

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  15. Jennifer says:

    A big welcome to the 100,000 newly baptised adult Catholics, received into the Church in the United States this weekend!! GO HOLY SEE!!! TRUTH ROCKS…Happy Easter, He Is Risen!!! :-D

  16. JohnMWhite says:

    I don’t know what everyone is complaining about, really. Bishop Davies is entirely correct, Christianity brought a light to Britain’s shores. It just so happens that light was of thousands of people and/or their homes and communities being burned for being witches, Jews, homosexuals, or even the wrong sort of Christian depending on which way the wind was blowing at the time.

  17. Stuart H. says:

    Look on the bright side. Every time some faith-addled hack at the Beeb reports (uncut, unverified and without even a balancing comment) the crazed claims of a lying, hypocritical toad like Cardinal O’Brien many more people of Catholic upbringing walk out of the church in disgust and never come back. The church has already lost the next generation of traditional worshippers, and the general public is showing every day that it doesn’t trust Catholics to run schools or bogus ‘charities’.
    At this rate, by next Saturnalia every bishop in the British Isles will have to put a mirror in front of the pulpit to even pretend anyone is there in church to listen.

  18. fester60613 says:

    Continue, please! Keep flapping your syphilitic lips!
    Please continue to deny that it was the Catholic Church who wholeheartedly supported the Nazis!
    Try to deny that the SS had “Gott Mitt Uns” inscribed on their belt buckles.
    The church’s greatest enemies are the IDIOTS within the hierarchy… like this ass wipe bishop.

  19. Stuart says:

    Hitler was a catholic

  20. Stonyground says:

    @Jennifer
    Any chance that you could provide us with a link to that story? I am genuinely intrigued.

  21. Matt Westwood says:

    Yes, yes, we know his grasp on historical facts appears to be shaky. But that’s not the case at all. They all know exactly what the facts are (you can’t reach these high places without knowing all about this stuff, come on have sense).

    The whole point is that they are just telling a Big Lie. You can’t fool all the people all the time (i.e. you can’t fool us) but many of the population are complete lackwits who will believe whatever they’re told by someone important-looking enough.

    The Catholic Church is the Nazi party – except this time they’re not after the hides of the Jews, but the atheists, secularists and pagans. Anyone who (a) doesn’t have an establishment behind them to support them and (b) nobody takes very seriously anyway, so they won’t be able to fight back.

    This is in order to blind the masses to the wrongs that are currently being done to them (basically, being robbed blind).

    Now: how can we fight back? I wish we could sanction extreme and deadly violence, but one would probably get their wrist soundly slapped if they were to indulge in it. Drat.

  22. Broga says:

    @stargraves: They do love dressing up in skirts, wearing fancy hats and being the centre of attention. Not much “blessed are the meek” with that lot.

  23. Angela_K says:

    So a fascist ideology [Christianity, Islam et al] is the antidote to another fascist ideology?

  24. Broga says:

    We might do well to remember that the reason Ratzinger has his diplomatic immunity, which prevents his arrest when abroad, is because it was gifted to his predecessor by the fascist Mussolini. He was later hung in the street by his own people. Mussolini, Hitler, Pius, the then Pope, all working happily together in ways described in earlier posts. But now, with breathtaking chutzpa, an RC bishop says he and his ilk are defenders against countries being turned Nazi by secularists.

  25. Lolwhites says:

    Maybe the Catholic Church might like to explain their support for Francisco Franco and António de Oliveira Salazar before warning us of the dangers of fascism.

  26. barriejohn says:

    Stonyground: maybe she is getting her facts confused!

    http://www.catholicscomehome.org/about-what-we-do.php

  27. barriejohn says:

    There is much about Hitler’s religious views here, and it makes for fascinating reading. Like his political beliefs, they are very confusing (maybe deliberately – he was masterful at being “all things to all men”, and often left people wondering as to what many of his statements actually meant). Towards the end of his life he referred more and more to “Providence”, and it is anyone’s guess as to what he envisaged this to be. He seems to have been a believer more in “fate” and “destiny” than in any personal god.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

  28. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: I think Jennifer, as is the way with panic stricken believers, has read the stats the wrong way round. The 100,000 have drifted away from the RC Church and not to it. I suppose she has blanked out the fact that there are 58% more non believers than practising catholics. That kind of fact, particularly as it seems part of a trend, is not want RCs want to know.

    The big weakness, amongst many, in their advertising shots is their reference to RC “truth.” As that doesn’t exist and is based on invention and lies they have an uphill struggle.

  29. Marky Mark says:

    I guess this guy with the silly looking hat forgot to mention how the Vatican supported the Nazis’ at the end of the war and assisted many of the “war crimes” Nazi officers escape through Italy to South America…for a price of coarse. Anything for a buck. But there still had to be some sort of respect and trust built up for the church to support these officers, that I’m sure they would now denie.
    It was called The Odessa Project that a high-ranking Catholic Priest organized, including creating false identities for the Nazis’. They made a movie about it called The Odessa Files that was loosely based on fact.

  30. AngieRS says:

    Wow, someone’s had the decorators in!

  31. Robster says:

    They must get pumped up when they throw on a frock, these brainless twits. They’re losing truckloads of followers as people use the internet to learn a real truth and get exposed to the large and vocal atheist community. When you’re selling childish nonsense as something that’s important, that’s a hard sell that can’t ultimately succeed.

  32. Dionigi says:

    Christianity brought light to these islands? is that why it is called the dark ages?

  33. Matt Westwood says:

    There are lies, damned lies, and the shit that spews from the festering gobs of Catholic leaders.

  34. The Woggler says:

    We need more like Mark Davies. Men who can turn people away from the Catholic Church with a single look.

  35. Pete H says:

    stargraves:

    Denis Leary on the catholic hat thing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XXTTkq1G8J0#t=221s

  36. Broga says:

    Pete H. Funny! Spot on with comments on virgin Mary’s appearances.

  37. Pete H says:

    Broga:

    Leary also ended that show with a song which comments on the catholic church and the church of Leary!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sunpFS_6UZs

  38. Pete H says:

    And while we’re on the subject of appearances in food, one of my favourite sketches:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7chup0dZ1s

  39. Scott says:

    There’s actually another persecuted minority which seems to be overlooked…atheists. Why do people who have ‘faith’…different from unreasoning and sad superstition presumably…get special treatment? Doesn’t seem to matter which invisible friend that’s believed in, nor which flavour of that belief…believing makes them special. Actually, I think so too, but possibly from a different viewpoint. Religion should be/must be kept out of the public arena…it’s private.

  40. Jesus Christ is Lord says:

    Dear people,
    I am a young Catholic woman. I am in love with Jesus and His Church. Silly hats and white garments… mock as you want like little children, but do not judge what you do not know. God sees inside and that is what counts. Where are your hearts vivid intellectuals? Jesus Christ and his Church has always had the message of love and forgiveness at it’s core. It is because of the weakness of men and their turning away from God that war, persecution and such evils have crept in throughout history.
    http://www.vatican.va/
    Peace.

  41. Angela_K says:

    If you can’t post anything intelligent, go away troll!

  42. Don says:

    Scott,

    I’m not sure keeping religion out of the public arena is either feasible or desirable. A lot of people feel that their social/political position is informed by their religious convictions. Outcomes vary.

    But if you want to put your point across then you need to make an argument which is not persuasive only to your co-religionists. By all means bring religiously motivated principles to the public market, but accept that the religious part is not currency.

    On the other hand, I am very unhappy about the unearned power large religious institutions still enjoy. That I would have at root and branch.

  43. Jesus Christ is Lord says:

    The Catholic Church is not Nazi and Hitler was not a Christian. The Church has officially sent out public apologies for the men and women who have, unfortunately, done evil in the name of the Church throughout history.

    Not a lot of humility or meekness? Popes, Priests, and Religious have given everything of their own away that they might put on Christ, which such garments and hats traditionally symbolize. What about Mother Teresa and other communities across the world who live with the poor in order to help them? The Church today doesn’t seem like a light? Like a source of goodness?

  44. AgentCormac says:

    @ Jesus Christ is Lord

    Hitler wasn’t Christian? Oh well, if you say so then it must be true. How silly of us for not asking your obviously erudite and well-informed opinion first! However, you might find that this helps expand your already considerable knowledge on the subject:

    “”We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession….”
    - Article 20 of the program of the German Workers’ Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, NSDAP)

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.”
    From a speech by Hitler, April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order.

    As for Mother Teresa – if you think that shameless old fraud was anything other than a self-serving charlatan, then quite frankly you need your head examining (which with a name like ‘Jesus Christ is Lord’ you clearly do anyway). I suggest you read the following (which I know you won’t) before trying to pass her off as some virtuous, self-sacrificing do-gooder.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html

  45. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    The rcc may not be nazi but it is one of the most evil institutions this planet has ever encountered. It is the worlds largest peadophile organisation, and redefining peadophilia as only occurring if the victim is under 10 doesn’t wash. Ratboy and his cronies should be prosecuted for the criminals they are.

  46. Matt Westwood says:

    @JCIL: In love with Jesus Christ, eh? I sympathise, I’m in love with Lisa Simpson myself – now there’s unrequited for you.

    The problem with being in love is that one’s critical faculties are in that situation not at their best. And, without being too cruelly sexist about it, young women (driven as they are by a bunch of uncontrollable hormones) are notorious for making seriously bad decisions concerning their choice of partner.

    My recommendation: drop this guy – he’s bad news. Yeah, he talks all peace and love, but it was only a few weeks ago that I hear he went and vandalised the temple. And as for that donkey he was riding around on, I have been led to believe that he did absolutely nothing to clean up the street after his mount had done its dirty business. That stuff carries disease.

  47. Jesus Christ is Lord says:

    Both articles twist her actions and intentions into something they’re not.

    Mother (what does it mean to be a mother?) Teresa cared for the poor and let them know they are loved. She was dependent on the providence of God completely, not judging anyone, especially not those who were willing to help financially.

    What is the definition of a “self-sacrificing do-gooder?”

    http://www.motherteresa.org/07_family/Volunteering/v_cal.html

    Hitler, Christianity isn’t based on feeling but on truth.

    Pedophilia within the Catholic Church does not compare to the protestant church and other organizations’ statistics where such evil also exists but hasn’t been so scandalously revealed. I agree they need to be prosecuted, however, it would be unreasonable to blame the institution itself which stands for truth and beauty.

  48. Matt Westwood says:

    @JCiL: “Christianity isn’t based on feeling but on truth” … pardon? You use the word “truth” a lot here, but I don’t believe you understand what it means.

    Your reaction to the hypothesis of the existence of JC is one of an extreme emotional reaction – one in which your own belief is at base one of feelings. Now, if someone told you a tale, for example, about someone who was conceived without the involvement of a man, your instant reaction (as someone who has at least sat through some basic biology lessons at school, one supposes) would be the incredulity of “that’s impossible, everyone has to have a father.” So you’ll agree that in the normal context of rational thought, it would be a pretty outrageously unusual thing to believe, yeah?

    But you are quite happy to believe this utterly unbelievable story because you want it to be true, because (in your own words) you are “in love with Jesus”.

    So: where are the feelings and where is the truth?