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Lord Carey’s loses the plot – completely!

HOMOSEXUAL “activists” – in a mythical land inhabited by former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord George Carey – are in the vanguard of a sustained and vicious campaign to vilify Christians and drive them underground.

Lord George Carey

In a submission to the European Court of Human Rights in support of a clot of “persecuted” religious fanatics who proved unfit for purpose in their respective jobs and were rightly dismissed, Cary writes that Christians can be sacked for manifesting their faith, are vilified by state bodies, are in fear of reprisal and can even be arrested for expressing their views on sexual ethics. All of this:

Affects the moral and ethical compass of the United Kingdom. Christians are excluded from many sectors of employment simply because of their beliefs; beliefs which are not contrary to the public good … It is now Christians who are persecuted; often sought out and framed by homosexual activists.

Christians are driven underground. There appears to be a clear animus to the Christian faith and to Judeo-Christian values. Clearly the courts of the United Kingdom need guidance.

Carey’s hope that his latest bleat would result in outpouring of sympathy, or even vigorous nods of agreement were dashed when commentators immediately set about exposing him as paranoid loon with a very tenuous grip on reality.

This, from Guardian columnist Martin Robbins:

In his latest outburst, Carey is guilty of at least three sins against his flock: he fear-mongers regarding the ability of Christians to express their faith in public, he regurgitates a slew of mythical episodes of Christian persecution, and he entirely misrepresents secularism.

Robbins then points out that Carey can hardly claim that “the outward expression of traditional conservative Christian values has effectively been ‘banned” in Britain’ when, as a life peer, he:

Lives in a palace, holds a seat in the House of Lords (alongside twenty-odd other Bishops from the Church of England), and has his remarks published on the front pages of newspapers.

Ophelia Benson, over at Butterflies and Wheels makes pretty much the same point – then dismisses him in two words:

Filthy man.

And Executive Director of the National Secular Society, Keith Porteous Wood said:

Lord Carey is not just wrong, but the truth is the opposite of what he asserts. Far from the UK being less intolerant than the rest of the world on religion, it is perhaps the most religiously tolerant country in the world.

Hat tip: Marcus Robinson

44 Responses to “Lord Carey’s loses the plot – completely!”

  1. Buffy says:

    He’s so full of shit I can smell him all the way over here.

  2. Ivan says:

    For sheer madness, I prefer the Telegraph’s take on this to that of the Guardian:

    http://goo.gl/BCKnE

    The foaming comments are also a treat.

    Meanwhile, “traditionalist” Anglican leaders are to meet in London over homosexual bishops “crisis”

    http://goo.gl/J5kFV

    Breathless stuff.

  3. Matt Westwood says:

    It’s been said before and needs to be said again, loudly, repeatedly and with extreme emphasis:

    Referring to the treatment of these utterly hatstand loony jobs as being “persecuted” does a serious injustice, nay insult, to all those Christians (and those of all sorts of other faiths) in other parts of the world who are being genuinely persecuted.

    Would Carey like to go to Saudi Arabia, where to practise his particular brand of skypiloting could cause him to be condemned by a court to execution? Or some places in Pakistan, where Christians are attacked in their own communities? Or even (perish the thought) the US, where atheists can be beaten up by Muslims to have the judge congratulate the attacker on having done a good thing?

    About time Carey was put into a nursing home. He’s obviously gone even softer in the head than ever.

  4. Albert Yome says:

    This man deserves same description that Christopher Hitchens gave the odious Jerry Falwell, “If you gave [Jerry] Falwell an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox.”

  5. Broga says:

    Persecution – the Carey definition. Persecution is when christian bishops, unelected, help themselves to generous tax funded expenses in the UK parliament and influence legislation; military padres are paid for by the tax payer; clergy are paid salaries in hospitals who are short of doctors and nurses; the BBC inserts the christian message into all its channels, deluges its audience with christianity every Sunday and censors secular comments (totally in the case of TFtD); faith schools are funded by taxes; churches are given tax advantages denied the rest of us; an unwary buyer who purchases a house on church land from centuries ago will be forced to contribute to the local church; the Head of State is head of the C. of E. and propagates her faith whenever possible; the government is loaded with christians who push their views and the PM supinely flatters them.

    One further element to this persecution is that anyone who disagrees with Carey, who dares to exercise free speech that he deems disagreeable to his superstitions is persecuting him, and he has invented a fantasy land to justify himself.

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  7. fester60613 says:

    Yet another homophobic idiot.

  8. Stuart W says:

    ‘Christians are excluded from many sectors of employment’

    Such as?

    Martin Robbins’ dissection of Carey’s latest rant and observations about the bitterness, hypocrisy and myths that prompted it is a cracking little read – thanks.

  9. Har Davids says:

    If I remember correctly there’s a family of Christians, the House of Windsor, who seem to be doing all right; the matriarch is even called “Defender of the (Christian) Faith”. Are they too scared to speak up for their co-religionists, or is this ‘Lord’ lying through his teeth about this persecution?

  10. Broga says:

    What oozes from Lord Carey’s every utterance is hysterical panic that the privileges he and his religious friends have taken for granted for centuries are now being challenged. And not just challenged but exposed for what they are: rights and privileges which shame any supposedly democratic country. Carey takes these privileges for granted as he takes beliefs for granted which increasing numbers regard as nonsensical claptrap which collapse under objective scrutiny. The Carey philosophy is that the christian “truth” must be accepted without question and that the privileges are to be underpinned by this biblical truth.

    What has gone so wrong for Carey and his kind, what has wrought so many challenges, so much contempt? I suggest that to a large extent the problem for Carey and co comes via the internet which means that opposing views can no longer be censored by christians or corralled into safe corners. The louder they shout the more vulnerable they seem.

  11. barriejohn says:

    Archbishop Lord George Carey: Or hear scary phobic doggerel

  12. The Woggler says:

    Did Carey really have the plot to start with?

  13. Stuart W says:

    Well Broga, perhaps that is another reason why a few people believe that the Internet is Satan: http://www.av1611.org/666/www_666.html

    Lord Carey really is going around in toothless circles these days. It is the same moaning, exaggerated, accuse everyone else (especiallythedreadfulgays) of ruining things, its-tough-to-be-a-Christian rant each time from a man who not so long ago was even arguing that Christians should have their own special juries in court. In his eyes, people who share his views must have unchallenged enhanced status enabling them to discriminate and dictate in the workplace all they like because it comes under the umbrella of ‘conscience’ and ‘living out faith’. He can ‘Carey’ on dreaming.

  14. JohnMWhite says:

    Christians, in this case Anglicans, think that the existence of homosexuals in their ranks is a ‘crisis’, then complain they are vilified by gay activists? No, they are villains. There is animosity toward this particular expression of the Christian faith because it is an expression that does no good and simply targets people for exclusion out of mindless bigotry. What does he expect? Of course people are going to look down their noses at a ‘faith’ that seems to only define itself by what harm it can do to others. They are clinging so desperately to homophobia as an article of faith that it seems like Christianity means nothing else to them but an excuse to pick on gay people. Why else would they think that tolerance for gay people has sent the entire country’s moral compass out of whack? Apparently Jesus’ supreme commandment was “hate the homos, as I have loved you”.

  15. Stuart W says:

    Well Broga, perhaps that is another reason why a few people believe that the Internet is Satan: http://www.av1611.org/666/www_666.html

    Lord Carey really is going around in toothless circles these days. It is the same moaning, exaggerated, accuse everyone else (especiallythedreadfulgays) of ruining things, its-tough-to-be-a-Christian rant each time from a man who not so long ago was even arguing that Christians should have their own special juries in court. In his eyes, people who share his views are simply entitled to enhanced status enabling them to discriminate and dictate in the workplace all they like because it comes under the umbrella of ‘conscience’ and ‘living out faith’. He can ‘Carey’ on dreaming.

  16. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    Persecuted my arse! Man’s a fool.

    I love the story about paganism having to be taught as part of RE lessons. It’s no sillier than any of the Abrahamic religions.

  17. Harry says:

    Interesting point raised by Martin Robbins about Christians being scared off from coming here by Carey and his ilk making them think that they will get mugged for wearing crosses or some shit.

  18. Broga says:

    @Stuart W: Thanks for that. Fascinating. It does rather demolish the 666 fantasy. I think the problem Carey and the christians have is that as they claim to believe pernicious nonsense they cannot win a debate. So they are left with whining and accusations.

  19. Matt Westwood says:

    I thought the 666 motif was better addressed by barcodes – there’s a 6 at the beginning, a 6 in the middle and a 6 at the end, all being used as delimiters. There’s your “The mark of the beast controls the ability to buy or sell” bit.

    I had cause to ask the wonderful David Icke what he thought of this, and he replied that there’s also an end-of-the-world superstition in a particular South American indigenous culture called the “Mark of the Bear”, which is supposed to manifest as clawmarks on trees – looking suspiciously like a barcode.

  20. barriejohn says:

    Except that there is evidence that the number was originally 616!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#616

  21. barriejohn says:

    No doubt Scarey would be 100% in favour of THIS load of old tosh:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01gh823

    (Not suitable for viewers of a nervous disposition)

    I wonder whether anyone can explain how “Choir of the Year” mysteriously became “Songs of Praise School Choir of the Year” – presented by our favourite TV presenter, of course: the ubiquitous (and strangely excitable) Addled Jones. Anyone who doubts the degree of indoctrination going on in these academies of learning, or who swallows the line that they are not about brainwashing but about providing “a Christian ethos”, just needs to watch a few minutes of the programme!

  22. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Nope, I am of a nervous disposition and I can’t handle this stuff at all. I sometimes think that in the line of duty I ought to force myself to watch. I did try once to watch Songs of Praise and I have to admit that I lacked the moral fibre to enable me to stick with it for more than 10 minutes. What struck me was the glutinous smugness of the programme. I am just so pleased that there are people suuch as yourself who are made of sterner stuff and keep an eye on what they are doing.

  23. Stephen Turner says:

    The only “persecution” going on is the persecution of baseless and immoral nonsense in the marketplace of ideas.

  24. barriejohn says:

    Broga: “Glutinous smugness” just about sums it up. They seem utterly convinced not only that they are right, but that no person in his or her right mind could possibly question the veracity of their beliefs. They appear to be stuck with the moral maturity of a five year old!

  25. Matt Westwood says:

    I reckon: they want to be persecuted? Let’s persecute them!

  26. Ricky Barnes says:

    Your religion in your private life is your business – the consequence of your religion on the private lives of others is very much the business of us all. “Us” being we who seek a genuine civilization where individuals are at liberty to live and let live – not dictate to one another how they must conduct their private lives. It’s clear christianity and other theistic religions are greatly challenged by such a social contract. Their challenges will be accomodated only to a point.

  27. Robster says:

    Didn’t this old man in a dress quit as head honcho of the CofE 10 years ago? Why on earth are his stone age takes on morality of any interest to anyone? He’s water under the bridge. His nonsense is nothing more than that and deserves to be filed away with the rest of the abrahamic religious nonsense. It should only be dragged out when we need a giggle.

  28. AgentCormac says:

    Silly old fool. This kind of nonsense seems to me like the last, rattling breath of an order that knows its time has been and gone.

  29. Broga says:

    @Robster: My guess is that he is a vain man who has never come to terms with being out of the limelight as Archbishop. He craves attention even if, as now, it is underpinned with ridicule. So much for one of the mantras of his religion, “blessed are the meek.”

  30. Stuart H. says:

    The irony is that Carey owes his church career to the state, not the church that employed him. Those with long memories will recall that he was Thatcher’s choice for Arch of Cant – the one time when a PM has actually used the power to decide which of two candidates (in theory) for the post get ‘recommended’ by the PM to Her Maj. In practice, the church makes it clear which candidate they want, the 2nd is a formality (like Carey’s chum Nazir Ali when Rowan Williams got the nod)and the PM just goes rubber stamps it. Funnily enough, there have been rumours for years in the Anglican community that Carey’s name wasn’t even one of the two originals submitted to Thatcher and she pencilled him in!

  31. barriejohn says:

    He is being hailed by some for his bold stand for “the truth”!

    http://cranmercurate.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/george-carey-dilemma-of-inside-strategy.html

  32. Stephen Turner says:

    OT but this is good:
    ‘Eurovision is a nightmare for all Muslims’

    http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=9254

    (I saw this at Jerry Coyne’s blog.)

  33. Broga says:

    @Stuart H: Thatcher herself is said never to have come to terms with not being PM and never had a happy day since she was booted out. Having done so much to wreck the more civilised aspects of the UK it seems she wanted to continue to finish the job.

    @barriejohn: Oh don’t they just love this standing up for “the truth” thing. I note they compare Carey, stretching the comparison till it becomes farce, to a character in The Magnificent Seven. Anyone less like a gunslinger than Carey is hard to imagine.

    I know the issue has often been raised here but why are these christian superstitionists so obsessed with other people’s sexual behaviour? What has it to do with them? Didn’t some sensible person say, “You may do what you like as long as you don’t do it in the street and frighten the horses.”

  34. gilhow says:

    If only George Carey wild imaginings were fact! He lives in Wonderland like all religious fanatics. And yes, he is a fanatic, religiously, socially, and financially in the way he sucks up public dollars to support his lush living.

  35. Bubblecar says:

    I feel sorry for the critter, in a way. This whining, pampered shit has gone far, far too long without a much-needed punch in the face. With increasingly sad results.

  36. AgentCormac says:

    Carey really is an arse. A couple of years ago he said he was ‘proud’ of Britain’s ability to manufacture weapons and sell them to other countries.

    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/10200

  37. Angela_K says:

    @ Stuart H “The irony is that Carey owes his church career to the state, not the church that employed him.”
    And there lies the problem with his ilk, if he wasn’t an all expenses paid public charlatan he would probably be filling shelves in a supermarket or begging on the street. The CofE and the catholic church have obscene wealth, tax exceptions, charitable status and money from central government to waste attacking gays and atheists rather than looking after the poor.

  38. barriejohn says:

    Broga: To me, the most significant aspect of that post by Cranmer’s Curate (how pretentious is THAT then?) is the fact that Carey was an evangelical who, like many others, deliberately placed himself where he would be most likely to gain advancement within the church – with spectacular success. I can tell you from personal experience that evangelical Christians have been practising this sort of thing for donkeys’ years. During the preparations for my father’s funeral in 2007, I overheard our local (evangelical) vicar boasting to the person booked to officiate at the service that they had been very successful in getting members co-opted onto the governing bodies of local schools. What does that say about the “power of prayer” then? Either they don’t trust the Lord to do the right thing, or else he’s so weak that he needs a helping hand!

  39. Broga says:

    I watched Father Ted last night and Father Jack kept reminding me, facially, of someone. Then I realised: Carey. Could they be related? I think we should be told.

  40. AgentCormac says:

    barriejohn

    It’s amazing, isn’t it? These people happily proclaim to the world and his wife that god is this all-knowing, all-powerful entity with the ability to read our very thoughts, the capability to send devastating floods, father a virgin birth, create the entire universe and everything within it, even. Yet this god of theirs is apparently utterly impotent when it comes to the day-to-day stuff and needs the likes of Carey and his chums to sort it all out on his behalf. What a con! What a farce! Do you think these people can actually square the circle in their own minds, or are they knowingly pulling the wool over the eyes of believers as a cynical and necessary part of their own ambitions to become ever-more powerful within their chosen careers?

  41. Broga says:

    @AgentCormac: I don’t think they believe what they preach. At least not in the sense that what they allegedly believe is a reality in the way I believe the tree in my garden is a reality. We have increasing evidence that they do not believe. Thanks to the internet many clergy, particularly in the USA, are admitting that they are non believers but cannot face losing their jobs and their place in their families and their status in their community. If these clergy say they do not believe they face the fury and vindictiveness of their christian neighbours.

    The mad fundies believe by a system of just not thinking and extreme selectivity.

  42. Robster says:

    This godly fantasy figure seems very selective in it’s attributed actions. There doesn’t seem to be any action, any movement, sound or vision. The deity is a failure. It doen’t work. Also, how many lords do these people believe in? I thought the first century magic jew was their lordly thingamajig, but this Carey bloke is a lord too and I understand there’s a whole “house” of them, probably with a cafeteria. Hope they serve more than crackers and wine. Jees…