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Colorado shooting tragedy: another brainless Bible monkey weighs in

IN THE same week that Louis Buller Gohmert Jr, 49, a lunatic Republican politician in Texas blamed  last week’s horrific shooting at a Colorado cinema on the forces of godlessness, US evangelical leader Jerry Newcombe claimed that atrocities such as these occur because folk have lost their fear of hell.

Jerry ‘Hell is for Real’ Newcombe

In an article on OneNewsNow.com, this ridiculous specimen, who is a spokesman for Truth in Action Ministries, wrote:

I can’t help but feel that to some extent, we’re reaping what we’ve been sowing as a society. We said to God, ‘Get out of the public arena’. Lawsuit after lawsuit, often by misguided ‘civil libertarians’, have chased away any fear of God in the land  – at least in the hearts of millions.

He added:

Tens of millions of young people in this culture seem to have no fear of God. It’s becoming too commonplace that some frustrated person will go on a killing spree of random people. If they kill themselves, they think it’s all over. But that’s like going from the frying pan into the fire. Where’s the fear of God in our society? I don’t think people would do those sorts of things if they truly understood the reality of Hell.

The founders gave us a system where voluntary God-fearing was the underpinning of civility in society. The more internal restraints people have, the less need they have for external restraints. (And the converse is true.) That’s why I can’t understand the ongoing crusade of those who want to remove any vestige of Judeo-Christian in the public arena. All they’re doing is making everything worse for everyone else.

Even more off-the-wall and shocking were Newcombe’s comments on a segment on the American Family Association dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place … on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ … if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place.

Newcombe then turned the tragedy into an opportunity for people to become Christian and avoid the fate of hell:

For those who are not ‘in Christ’ and see this incredible tragedy, this would be a good time for soul reflection and consider why have you not accepted Jesus Christ … I would urge anyone who is not in Christ to repent of your sins.

Hat tip: Bill Murray

 

38 Responses to “Colorado shooting tragedy: another brainless Bible monkey weighs in”

  1. Groover says:

    Is this photo for real? One side of his face “all American boy”, the other side “Here’s Jonny!!” Something seriously wrong with the left side of his brain methinks. Maybe that’s a clue to his deluded and dangerous outburst.

  2. ZombieHunter says:

    It seems that whenever events like this happen you can almost set your watch to the response, first off you have your bible bashers saying “oh it’s godlessness that done it” or “it’s god’s pounishment for same sex marraige/single parents etc”, Then you have the feeding frenzy about “It’s violent video games/films” that are responsible and of course we have conspiracy nuts who claim the whole event was staged so that the government can justify bringing in tighter gun control.

    Compare that to the events in Norway and the dignified way the people of Norway responded to those horrible events.

  3. stargraves says:

    You said it Zombie Hunter, concerning the Norwegian’s dignity in the face of the appalling act of a lone terrorist.

    There wasn’t anything like this explosion of grandstanding or point-scoring off the back of that event. At least that I’d heard.

    But just looking at this wingnut – I want to know how these supposedly “good” people who follow “god” simply cannot help themselves when something like this happens.

    Where is their tact, civility, or even basic human decency – as soon as a tragedy like this happens – out they squirm from under their rocks to get some publicity on the back of it. They can’t comment quick enough.

    Ghoulish. It’s not just him either – there are a seemingly endless parade of ass hats coming out to ride the bandwagon. None seem to care about the victims or their families – but just how their own cause or agenda can be furthered by putting a spin on the attack.

    Although, there are also a handful of atheist bloggers being jerks in citing this guy’s Presbyterian church background too.

    Until the investigation, we just don’t know – so to try and capitalise on this awful tragedy is just wretched. Of course organised religion has form in terrorist atrocities – but now is not the time.

  4. JohnMWhite says:

    Maybe people willing to go on a shooting spree don’t fear god because this being has never, ever intervened to prevent them happening. And who would give a crap what this being thinks if it will sit idly by and let a six month old get shot because he’s mad at the society it was born into for letting gay people get married. But it’s ok, that child is now in heaven… so why not shoot all children at birth? Once more, Christianity demonstrates its complete moral bankruptcy, and once more I must ask, where are the mainstream, moderate Christians to decry this exploitation of a tragedy for the sake of pinning their own piety to the mast. It’s not going to happen, is it?

    It’s a shame that another tragedy is going to turn into a bicker-fest between partisans rather than any kind of grown up conversation about how to lessen the chances of it happening in the future, but I’m not going to pretend both sides are as bad as each other. Some secularists are, it’s true, being asshats right now, but one side is institutionally incapable of any sort of self-reflection.

  5. Broga says:

    I suppose this sicko thinks he is not going to hell. They do seem to live on another planet in parts of the USA and especially Texas. I note that Obama began his comments with a quote from the bible. However, he also seems to encourage a fallacious self regarding attitude in Americans. He reckons the world is sorrowing for the twelve who were killed and I don’t deny for a moment that it is a tragedy for anyone affected. But “the world!”

    Maybe some of us are more worried about Obama and his minions and their readiness to use drones with casual abandon to slaughter areas where he thinks there might be terrorists. Obama is said to choose his victims personally. How very brave. What they also do is slaughter civilians and children and far more than 12 dead. However, maybe that doesn’t matter too much to him because they are not Americans. The crippled orphans, Mr President, suffer just as much as Americans. The rest of the planet does not regard Americans as specially important and of especial concern. Time Obama and his “fellow Americans” realised this.

    They do so much praying and are so religious I wonder why their god doesn’t look after them better.

  6. JohnMWhite says:

    I share your concern, Broga, though in their mind, many Americans (not all, by any means) feel that their god does look after them very well – he put them in the Greatest Country On Earth ™. They feel their success and superpower status is an indicator of god’s favour, and are so myopic and ignorant (through their fault at times, and through somebody else’s willful engineering) they are unaware of and unable to process things like the above cartoon on Norway.

    Of course, in a culture that adores a suicidal pacifist while at the same time cheering a guy getting shot in the face, there’s bound to be a lot of cognitive dissonance going on, leading to significant mental and cultural strain. Violence is never the answer, we tell children, then go around and make little effort to avoid it. From drone attacks killing dozens to maybe get one ‘bad guy’, to cops macing and battering people for the slightest offense, it’s a culture where control revolves around violence. They can’t simply wring their hands when the wrong guy tries to take control themselves.

  7. Stonyground says:

    Although I think that it is out of order for blaming this guy’s Christian beliefs for what he did. If Christians are going to blame the incident on the godless, then it needs pointing out that he was a Christian.

  8. mikespeir says:

    This is just sick. What makes me even sicker is the thought that I believed this same crap for most of my life.

  9. Broga says:

    @mikespeir: Well, welcome to enlightenment now, mikespeir. You are not alone. I have just had a friend, in the USA, who phoned me over the week-end. He was a Christian and I never thought he would change. He and I had many debates – arguments, in fact. He said he had just read “Why I am not a Christian” and “I suddenly thought that I had been conned all my life. I feel like a life long sucker. But that’s it. I am waiting for other books which I know will confirm my views.”

    I really do think that with authors such as Richard Dawkins and the internet opinions are changing and changing quickly.

  10. JW says:

    Hey, religious dude. Fuck you. Fuck your bible. Fuck your hell, too.

  11. Trevor Blake says:

    Mr. Newcombe is apparently unfamiliar with the Bible. In the Bible, it says “God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.” (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) And it says “He [God] hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.” (John 12:40) In the Bible, some people go to hell because God wants them to go to hell. God makes sure some people go to hell, that they cannot possibly go to a wonderful place after they die. Why would Mr. Newcombe think everyone has a chance of going to a wonderful place, when the Bible says that some people cannot?

  12. Buffy says:

    The more internal restraints people have, the less need they have for external restraints

    So why all of the clamor for giant crosses, monuments of the 10 Commandments and prayers in public? Or is he admitting Christians are incapable of behaving without constant tangible threats of hell?

    If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place

    That’s pretty harsh. I thought Christians revered life. Apparently I was wrong.

  13. Robster says:

    Is it a requirement that to become christian, you need an IQ under 15? Seems to me that’s the case. Everytime one (or any of them for that matter) opens their mouth(s), something super stupid falls out. Do thay have any concept of just how silly their nonsense looks to those not afflicted with christian (or any of the other flavours) belief? They don’t need freethinkers to help undo their belief systems, they can do it on their own.

  14. Gidupngo says:

    Oh my goodness. It could only happen in America. Are all americans this gullible?

  15. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Robster
    “Is it a requirement that to become christian, you need an IQ under 15? Seems to me that’s the case. Everytime one (or any of them for that matter) opens their mouth(s), something super stupid falls out. ”

    The problem is that these people BELIEVE what they say. They BELIEVE all this nonsense.

    And I cannot agree with you at all on the IQ. Outrageous! 15 is far too high.

  16. Angela_K says:

    @Buffy. “Or is he admitting Christians are incapable of behaving without constant tangible threats of hell?”

    I would say yes, this has always been the religious modus operandi: hold a theocratic gun to the heads of believers and unbelievers to appease a non-existent entity. Let’s be honest, most religious people are too stupid or lazy to think for themselves so they let criminal organisations like the religions do it for them.

  17. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Oh Dear!

    Newcombe can’t even spell.

    heres his website’s headline!

    A NATION ION MOURNING
    There’s a time to rejoice and a time to weep. Now is a time to mourn. I have said as such after the tragic shooting in Colorado.

    http://www.jerrynewcombe.com/

    Let us pray he gets a new laptop with a korrections button on it.

  18. Marky Mark says:

    (Let’s be honest, most religious people are too stupid or lazy to think for themselves so they let criminal organisations like the religions do it for them.)

    That and…It gives them a feeling of being special, a truly selfish thought. And any thought that enters their head must be right and just because their sky daddy must of sent that thought to them…

    This shooter could have very well thought that god put the thought to shoot up the theater in his head. If so, who knows why.

  19. The Woggler says:

    “Let us pray he gets a new laptop with a korrections button on it.”

    Let us pray he gets a new laptop with every button having ‘delete’ on it.

  20. 5ec4um says:

    Newcombe and his ilk, with their fantasies of heaven and hell, simply amaze me. It’s like they live on another planet… I wish it were so.

    The trouble is, he probably believes that nonsense. In his mind, he’s doing the right thing in imploring people to “find Jesus” before it’s too late. Plus, I guess he boosts his own chances for a pleasing afterlife with every “save soul”. It’s a win win as far as he’s concerned.

  21. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    Buffy
    Posted July 24, 2012 at 1:07 AM
    If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place

    That’s pretty harsh. I thought Christians revered life. Apparently I was wrong.

    Nah, it’s a death cult.

  22. Ken says:

    Why is it so unacceptable for this pastor to raise the issue of what happens after death, but it is acceptable for atheists to score cheap religious points regarding the Norwegian tragedy?

    Under atheism, when one of these mass murderers turns the gun on himself, he puts himself beyond any hope of justice for his dreadful crime, simply leaves suffering behind him. He plain gets away with it.

    Under NT christianity, “Any one who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him”, and God will enter into judgement with such people, meaning apply justice to such evil. That is what ‘hell’ is about, the application of perfect justice to a sinful humanity.

  23. JohnMWhite says:

    Oh Ken, there you go again, proving that you are unique among humans in that you can type but you can’t read. Several people here have said it is *not* acceptable for atheists to score cheap points with these kinds of tragedies. Also, you’re on an atheist website, we don’t care what the New Testament says because we don’t arbitrarily believe it’s the word of god because it says so inside it. Reality is what it is, it doesn’t matter if “under atheism” you don’t always get justice. That’s how the world works. Grow up, and learn to read.

  24. northern light says:

    @ Kenny

    “Under NT christianity, “Any one who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him”, and God will enter into judgement with such people, meaning apply justice to such evil. That is what ‘hell’ is about, the application of perfect justice to a sinful humanity.”

    Could you please tell us all where you get the stuff you are smoking.

  25. Robster says:

    Hi RabbitOnAStick, yep, you’re right about the IQ required to soak up the nonsense. I was trying to be diplomatic without being too generous. They really do believe it don’t they and I guess that tars them as deluded idiots. Maybe they’re just pretending because of tradition or culture?

  26. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Hello Robster.

    Indeed they do believe all this. That’s incredibly dangerous and sad. But its called ‘conditioning’. If you believe something is true – then it is! Here is one ridiculous moronic example:

    the bible as the word of god states very clearly: Sarah was close to one hundred years old when she gave birth, and Abraham was well over the century mark (Genesis 18:11-15, 21:1-2, 25:1-2). Even worse, Noah was five hundred years old when he had three sons (Genesis 5:32).

    [apologies to all it’s off topic but I was making a point about conditioning].

  27. RabbitOnAStick says:

    KEN

    No comment on this link makes any cheap point about the Norwegian tragedy. Far from it. Please read the comments or quote the reference. We like facts, truth, honesty and reason. Not make believe stories, false analysis or generalisations.
    The comments point to the marked difference between the cultures of Norway – dignified – and that no religious persons there made any silly comments about hell, the coming of jesus or anyone else, or a fictitious sky god being angry. However, in the US – which as soon as some shooting incident happens every religiously motivated person with an agenda immediately gets onto TV, the net or radio, jumps up and down and makes silly comments about hell, gods’ being angry and matters which to rational logical people just childish, incapable of proof and boorish.

    It was a great shame that these people died. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with a man in the sky. Or a fictitious place called hell. Or that people don’t fear god. Which is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Why does anyone have to fear nothing? Until the investigation uncovers the reasons this man carried out this crime, its best all the religiously motivated say nothing – as too often it’s just plain ridiculous.

    You can believe what you like. But be truthful, honest and comment on facts.
    The mistake you all make is similar to ones made by young children. They cannot distinguish between the blame attached to breaking a jar of marmalade by accident and smashing it on the ground in a fit of temper. They take into account only the seriousness of the consequences of an action, not the action itself. And the seriousness is that this man will be tried on this earth in a Court and sent to a prison on this earth. Not in some cloudlike woolly nowhereland, and then be sent to a fireplace.

  28. AgentCormac says:

    Ken

    The problem is, the pastor isn’t merely “raising the issue of what happens after death”, is he? He’s lecturing the world. He’s asserting that he somehow magically knows what happens. It is the kind of unsubstantiated, breathtaking arrogance that atheists have to put up with day in, day out.

    Newcombe is basing his assumptions on a book of fairy stories written by people who couldn’t even explain rainfall, never mind what, if anything, lies beyond our demise. I for one would rather put my trust in the overwhelming evidence that there is nothing after death. (If, of course, you have evidence to the contrary, I’d love to see it.)

  29. Broga says:

    “What happens after death?” What happens to what? I suppose it is too much for christio-nutters to have even a passing awareness of the current views of neuro science about the Illusion of Self. There ain’t no self so there is nothing to pass over into heaven. There is no little homunculous sitting in your head. There is no ghost in the machine. It would take too long, and be a waste of time for the likes of Ken, to explain this further. It is well covered in “The Self Illusion: why there is no you inside your head” by Bruce Hood.

    For Ken and his kind Bruce Hood has one serious limitation. He is not a clergyman. He is only Director of the Bristol Cognitive Development Centre in the Experimental Psychology Department at the University of Bristol. Research fellow at Cambridge University and visiting scientist at MIT and a faculty professor at Harvard.

  30. RabbitOnAStick says:

    What is wrong with these people?

    I trust these buyers didn’t take literally the comments that if someone had a gun they could have shot this maniac in the cinema. But then again…….

    BBC web site headline comments>
    The number of people seeking to buy guns in Colorado has soared since last week’s mass shooting in the US state’s town of Aurora, say law officials.

    In the three days after the shooting, applications for the background checks needed to buy a gun legally were up 43% on the previous week.

  31. AngieRS says:

    I take it these are the same checks which allowed this nutter to get hold of his weapons?

  32. Broga says:

    @AngieRS: I read that he bought 5000 rounds of ammuniation via the internet. Did no one wonder why he needed this amount? You could supply Bonnie and Clyde with that amount for years ahead.

  33. RabbitOnAStick says:

    BROGA

    Unfortunately it seems a lot of ammunition but in fact it’s not. Buy a tin of 22 or 177 air gun pellets they contain 500 per tin. The usual size box of shotgun shells has 25. On a clay pigeon shoot you could easily shoot in excess of 500 shotgun shells: given the mind. Rough shooting you could lose off 50-100.

    Most modern hand guns such as the ones this maniac bought shoot 15 rounds in less than 15 seconds. Modern automatic rifles can shoot more than 500-1000 rounds per minute. a magazine contains 30 rounds. You don’t need that many magazines to shoot off all this ammunition.

    Sad sin’t it.

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