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Catholics who insist on engaging with the real world are destroying the Church

NOTHING cheers me up quite as much as a prolonged wail from some deluded dude (or dudette) lamenting the growing trend towards atheism.

So it was with a heart filled with joy that I waded though a lot (but by no means all) of Sunday’s post by A Catholic in Brooklyn. Life’s simply too short wander too deeply into the complex cock-eyed minutiae of Catholic dogma so I only accorded it 20 minutes.

Anyway, this nameless female “legal secretary”, writing a novelette-length piece under the title of “Stop blaming the Bishops”, noted with despair that a recent Pew survey indicated that:

One in 5 Americans have no religious belief, nothing to guide them morally.   It is then only logical that ‘Pew found Americans with no religion support abortion rights and gay marriage at a much higher-rate than the US public at large’.  And we wonder why society’s morals are in the toilet?

Even more frightening is the fact that among the ‘nones’, those who have no religious affiliation, 88% are not even looking for something to believe in. 

Little Ms ACIB then asked:

How did the United States, a nation’s whose founding documents say that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights come to the point where so many not only don’t believe in God, they aren’t even looking for Him?

For chrissake, folk are even turning their noses up at “spirituality”:

For years we have heard people say, ‘I’m spiritual, but not religious’.  I personally think that’s a cop out, but at least it showed a belief in some sort of God.  Now even that pretense is being dropped by a growing number of people:  ‘In 2007, 60 percent of people who said they seldom or never attend religious services still identified themselves as part of a particular religious tradition. In 2012, that statistic fell to 50 percent’, according to the Pew report.

The reason, she reckons:

Can be found in the crisis of faith in the Catholic Church [which is] is the one and only church founded by Jesus Christ  It is the only one to whom the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven were given.  All other religions were founded by men. Only one was founded by our Creator and Redeemer.

However, the keys seem to have disappeared down the back of a sofa now buried in a landfill site:

The Church has never at any time seen such a major crisis of faith among the laity as seen today.  Bad priests, bad bishops, even bad popes have come and gone, but the laity have always remained strong in the church.  The laity with their faith and devotion have always been the ones to hold up the clergy.  

Now longer though:

But now that base is crumbling before our eyes in a way never seen before.

Worse:

Far too many of the clergy and religious in the Church seem more concerned about the physical salvation of the world than about the salvation of souls.

She adds:

To quote Pope Benedict XVI from a public audience given on October 17, ‘Christians today often do not even know the central core of their Catholic faith.’ Among those who identify themselves as Catholics in the US, only about 20% attend weekly Mass. They rarely go to Confession, they pick and choose which teachings of the Church they will accept, eg contraception and abortion.  54% of Catholics voted for pro-abortion Barack Obama in 2008, and while the number is somewhat lower in 2012, there are still over 40% of Catholics supporting Obama.

Few are paying any attention to Catholicism’s Caped Crusader these days

And yet these same Catholics, ignorant of their faith and more times than not unaccepting of the little they do know of what the Church teaches, are some of the most vocal opponents to the bishops. …When we see something we disagree with, we don’t deal with it in prayer and ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.  Instead, we yell and protest to show our dissatisfaction.  We look for the approval and guidance of the world, and the light of the Church grows ever dimmer while the darkness engulfs us.

The world is drowning today in misery and evil.  We see it everywhere we look.  I honestly don’t know how the world can hold all of its misery.  And now we are seeing the death of Christianity right here in the United States.

32 Responses to “Catholics who insist on engaging with the real world are destroying the Church”

  1. AgentCormac says:

    Bye-bye, christianity. I’m afraid no one is going to miss you.

  2. Brummie says:

    Isn’t the last sentence wonderful news!

  3. remigius says:

    ‘Catholics who insist on engaging with the real world are destroying the Church.’

    Surely engaging with the real world precludes them from being Catholics!

  4. Trevor Blake says:

    That clears things up for me! Previously I couldn’t understand why the Roman Catholic Church excommunicated Adolph Hitler, and why the RCC forbade Nazi soldiers from having the words “God is With US” on each and every one of their uniform belt buckles. It used to be a puzzlement why the Pope refused to make concordats with Germany and why His Holiness said His millions of faithful should resist fascism. Finally, I used to just scratch my head as to why the Catholics turned in several key Nazis as they tried to secretly make their way to Argentina. Then I woke up and the beautiful dream went away.

    So, tell me again how moral the RCC is. Please, do.

  5. remigius says:

    Trevor. You left out that evil, vindictive, shrivelled old sadistic cunt Mother Teresa.

  6. Buffy says:

    No, the church is destroying itself with its refusal to evolve.

  7. JohnMWhite says:

    Yet another conservative Christian who is allergic to facts. As ever, she insists that having no religious conviction equates to having no moral guidance, which is just ludicrous philosophically and demonstrably the opposite when it comes to real-world examples. It is religious conviction that allows people to turn off their conscience and cover up rape or murder their neighbour. Also, it was not the founding documents of the United States of America that claimed anything about a creator (not that this creator is ever remotely attested to be the Christian god), it was the founding document of the American revolution: the declaration of independence. This declared the colonists had the right to set up their own country and manage their own affairs, it did not actually do so. That was the point of the Articles of Confederation and later the US Constitution. But I’m a dirty foreigner, what do I know?

    Also, saying one is spiritual and not religious doesn’t at all show a belief in some sort of god, but it is hardly surprising that somebody like this would be so self-absorbed and ignorant they could not conceive of spiritual sentiments that don’t hinge on kneeling down before an almighty sky bully.

    “Far too many of the clergy and religious in the Church seem more concerned about the physical salvation of the world than about the salvation of souls.”

    How ghastly of them, wanting to do something practical to help human beings rather than cling piously to their right to hate gay people and denigrate women.

    “And now we are seeing the death of Christianity right here in the United States.”

    One can only hope. Maybe Christianity should introduce some change we can believe in – like concentrating on helping rather than harming, and serving rather than judging.

  8. Pete H says:

    What a load of old shit that woman posted.

    When we see something we disagree with, we don’t deal with it in prayer and ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Instead, we yell and protest to show our dissatisfaction. We look for the approval and guidance of the world, and the light of the Church grows ever dimmer while the darkness engulfs us.

    Funny how she sees the increasing at people dealing with problems in the real world rather than simply sitting back and asking “god” to sort it out as a journey into the darkness, while those of us with the ability to think for ourselves see it as humankind emerging from the darkness into enlightenment.

    How on earth these people can be happy always looking to their imaginary friend for guidance on life, I have no idea. How unsatisfying. How medieval. How stupid. I pity them, I really do.

    How I wish they’d open their eyes, open their ears, engage their brains, listen to their hearts and embrace the simple human act of thinking for themselves!

  9. JohnMWhite says:

    Unsatisfying is the word. It must be very difficult to live a life centred around an imaginary being who never, ever responds. My cat is more likely to help me in my troubles than this god. As ever, if we are descending into darkness and this being exists, it is his own damn fault. All he has to do is thrown on the light switch.

  10. Pete H says:

    That third paragraph was accidentally edited!

    Should have read:

    Funny how she sees the increasing prevalence of people dealing with problems in the real world rather than simply sitting back and asking “god” to sort it out as a journey into the darkness, while those of us with the ability to think for ourselves see it as humankind emerging from the darkness into enlightenment.

  11. Robster says:

    These silly godbots need to face the truth underlining the slow evaportation of respect and belief in their silly nonsense and that it is simply all bullshit. Fraudulent nonsense aimed at intellectually compromised people without the nous to see it for what it is. The foundation is sand. It’s going the way it deserves to go, down down down. If the godbots choose to take part, please do but leave the rest of us alone, we are not wanting anything to do with your hate filled dogma, deity and the saviour on a stick. Ta.

  12. Canada Dave says:

    ” We look for the approval and guidance of the world”

    Well Ah-men to that brother..it’s about fucking time….given that the RCC has lead the world astray for 2000 years.

  13. Angela_K says:

    What this stupid woman laments is that some of the human race have questioned religion and found it unhealthy and unnecessary; and that process is accelerating.

    When this unknown woman starts her diatribe equating religion with morals, we know she has no case.

  14. Lazy Susan says:

    Spiritual … what does it mean?

    An aquaintance was saying how he is spiritual. “The world, it could be like an egg, you know?” That seemed to sum up what he meant.

  15. Groover says:

    Dear Ms ACIB, you cannot imagine the immensity of the FUCK I do not give!

  16. Sabbag says:

    Is Ms ACIB suggesting that in the absence of her book of ancient fables she would be wandering about naked, copulating with all and sundry, killing indiscriminately and shitting on her neighbour’s lawn? Perhaps her employers might want to reconsider her contract as she is clearly unable to regulate her own behaviour.

  17. Denny Law says:

    Yes, it is heart warming to see the decline of Christianity.
    What took me some time was accepting that some otherwise rational folks still let wishful thinking bring their beliefs on religion.

    A guiding book, filled with allegations, authored by those who weren’t witnesses to the events they allege, is still accepted as fact by people in our country who are allowed to vote, drive cars, and reproduce. I read, recently that 65% of Americans believe there is a God who intervenes (answers prayers) in their lives.

  18. Broga says:

    The spiritual influence of religion in the religion saturated BBC does not seem to be having much effect. Despite the endless insertion of religious drivel, and the avalanche of it on Sundays, and top honchos in the BBC being RCs, we now discover there may be a paedophile ring in the BBC. We are also hearing about the predatory sexual activities of the “devout Roman Catholic Jimmy Savile”. This last point needing more emphasise in the discussions.

    The appearance of the hapless Director General before the Commons Commitee was like a blood sport. As Oscar Wilde said of the death of Little Nell “you would need a heart of stone not to laugh.” But what should interest atheists is the way top BBC management – not the journalists, I emphasise – are able to kill stories. So the detailed submission by the NSS for a secular appearance on Thought for the Day is killed arbitrarily. The top honchos at the BBC seem to regard the licence funded BBC as their personal fiefdom to do with as they choose. That is now almost certainly at an end and part of that ending should be a fair and balanced representation of secularist opinion, including on the dreary TfTD.

    Another reason for critical, analytical secular opinion is that it would add bite to supposedly serious BBC news programmes which are fading. Radio 4 in the morning becomes more facile, apparently bored with itself and going through the motions, by the day. Infected, perhaps, by the requirement that they must start the day with a prayer and that TfTD must appear. Time to change BBC. Better just accept it and live with it. Regarding TfTD they may as well jump before they are pushed.

  19. Lazy Susan says:

    Savile was not a True Catholic.

  20. barriejohn says:

    Despite the…top honchos in the BBC being RCs, we now discover there may be a paedophile ring in the BBC.

    Logical thought not your strong point, Broga?

  21. Matt Westwood says:

    @Broga: … and even POTD has fallen victim to censorship. Free speech is dead.

  22. Broga says:

    Lazy Susan and barriejohn: Very funny. Had me laughing. It’s comments such as those that make me enjoy this site. Of course, one does have to be a paid up member of the parish to appreciate them.

  23. The Woggler says:

    Is it me, or does it look like his hollowness is wearing the world’s biggest remembrance poppy?

  24. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Now that the shit has hit the fan the ring of those being spattered grows ever wider. This possibility that Downing Street may have been involved is seriously heavy stuff. I would guess that some years ago the great, the good and the famous considered themselves invulnerable and, like the predator Savile, were bold in their sexual predations which may be their weakness in this very different climate. With a furious public this issue has now got some power behind it. I see Mark Thompson, the former DG and fan of Ratzinger, is now being questioned in the USA about his fitness for his new job. What did he know is their question?

    Where will it lead? And to whom?

  25. barriejohn says:

    Broga: A “former British prime minister” has long been an alleged visitor to Haut de la Garenne, along with many celebrities, including the late Sir Jimmy Savile. I thought that particular allegation ridiculous until I heard this. Remember Sir Cyril Smith?

    http://rochdaleraw.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/cyril-smith-arrested-for-historic.html

  26. Stonyground says:

    “Can be found in the crisis of faith in the Catholic Church [which is] is the one and only church founded by Jesus Christ It is the only one to whom the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven were given. All other religions were founded by men. Only one was founded by our Creator and Redeemer.”

    Actually Ms. Legal Secretary, I think that you will find that all that Apostolic Succession stuff is based on lies.

  27. Broga says:

    @barriejohn. Yup, I remember avoirdupois challenged Cyril. And dear Jeremy and Norman Scott and “Bunnies will go to Paris” or whatever the phrase was. And all the other supposedly respectable but really conniving political scumbags.

    That was a hell of a link you sent. Polemic at its best.

  28. barriejohn says:

    And Lord Boothby, Broga; another alleged fancier of boys, alleged visitor to Haut de la Garenne, bosom buddy of crooks, and friend of the establishment, who was awarded mega bucks over such “unfounded allegations”!

    http://www.nickelinthemachine.com/2009/02/no1-eaton-square-lord-boothby-and-ronnie-kray/

  29. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Ah yes, Bob Boothby. He had all the credentials we Brits so admire and regard as fitting them to govern us: Eton and Oxford, he was a Lord, a shameless liar, a fornicator and criminal to the core. Perfectly formed to be a politician.

    Of course, the plebs are judged by different standards. I have just finished a biography which features Lord (natch) Curzon, Viceroy of India (keep the Indian plebs in control) and he is described as a man with “a very strong libido.” And, of course, although married he was happily shagging a variety of women. When this exemplar of all the English virtues discovered that one of his serving maids had spent the night with a butler he described her as “a slut” and immediately had her thrown in the street.

  30. rian says:

    Haha… good bye Christianity….
    No one’s going to miss ya.