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Two Catholic priests hit the headlines for being stupid, naked and drunk

FOLLOWING our report yesterday that the Catholic Church in Poland is not at all happy that the country had signed up to the Council of Europe’s convention on preventing violence against women, comes astonishing news from Italy, where a priest posted a notice on his church’s noticeboard that asserted that women brought violence upon themselves by dressing provocatively and being lousy cooks.

Father Corsi

Father Corsi

The message blamed the deaths of 118 women killed by men in Italy in 2012 on the “filthy clothes” they wore, and the “cold suppers” they dished up to their families.

The Christmas notice, originally penned by an ultra-conservative Catholic named Bruno Volpe and posted on Father Piero Corsi’s church’s notice board in the small seaside town of San Terenzio near La Spezia in northwestern Italy, sparked widespread condemnation. The leaflet read:

Is it possible that men have turn crazy all of a sudden? We don’t believe so. The point is that more and more women provoke, fall into arrogance, believe [themselves] to be independent and exacerbate tensions.

It added:

Children are left outside alone, homes are dirty, meals are served cold or are fast-food-like, clothing is filthy.They [women] trigger the worst instincts, leading to violence and sexual abuse. They should do a self-examination and think: did we ask for it?

A copy of the leaflet was posted online and triggered wave of outrage. Corsi’s Facebook page was flooded with angry comments and was shut down. Maria Carnieri, head of Telefono Rosa, an NGO fighting violence against women, called for the Pope and Italian Prime Minster Mario Monti to intervene.

La Spezia bishop Luigi Ernesto Palletti ordered the leaflet to be removed and distanced himself from Corsi. The priest’s words, he said, were:

Contrary to the church’s common feeling on the matter.

But an unrepentant Corsi told Radio Rai:

I don’t know if you are a faggot or not but what do you feel when you see a naked woman? Is it not a woman’s violence [sic] to unveil herself that way?

He then claimed in La Repubblica newspaper that the words:

Had been exploited by liar journalists for whom jail wouldn’t be an adequate sentence since they deserve the death penalty.

He later issued an apology and said he would quit the priesthood, due to the “pain and regret” he felt for:

The controversy caused by his imprudent provocation.

But he then backtracked and denied both the apology and any intention of resigning.

According to this report, domestic violence against women is a serious problem in Italy although a report by a United Nations mission in June said it was

Largely invisible and under-reported.

A third of women in Italy had reported being victim of serious domestic violence, a UN report citing data from Italian statistics agency ISTAT said.

Volpe’s original text attacked pornography and erotic television advertising but said women shared the blame for:

Provoking the worst instincts, which then turn into violence and sexual abuse. How often do we see girls and even mature women walking on the streets in provocative and tight clothing?

The mayor of Lerici, Marco Caluri, said yesterday that the article was:

Astonishing and deeply offensive.

Telefono Rosa’s Carnieri added:

I thank the bishop who had the paper taken down but I’m still not satisfied because I think someone needs to talk to this person and understand why he has these attitudes.

I think he needs to make a deeper examination of his conscience that goes beyond apologies.

Corsi denied reports that he intended to resign as priest and in an interview published on the web site of the weekly Oggi, he said he would be carrying on with his work.

After everything that’s happened, which has certainly been well beyond what I intended or expected, I think there’s need for calm, rest and silence to respond with the serenity and harmony required to carry on.

Another Catholic priest in the news this week is the Rev Peter Petroske, who has been sentenced in Detroit for driving drunk and naked.

The priest has been placed on administrative leave by the Archdiocese of Detroit from Sacred Heart Catholic Church, will have to pay $1,200 in fines and court costs. He was sentenced yesterday  to 12 months’ reporting probation and ordered to attend Alcoholic Anonymous meetings three times a week by 19th District Judge Richard Wygonik.

Hat tip: Canada Dave and BarrieJohn (Detroit report).

 

43 Responses to “Two Catholic priests hit the headlines for being stupid, naked and drunk”

  1. Matt Westwood says:

    “According to the founder of a Dutch website which aims to offer information to those looking to leave the Catholic church, thousands of Catholics have been researching how to do so.”

    Can’t you just, like, er, stop going to church? And like throw away all those tasteless pieces of “art” that RCs just tend to accumulate? And replace all the guinness and red wine with real ale and Jack Daniels, and (since it’s The Netherlands) kick back with a spliff?

  2. Matt Westwood says:

    “Is it possible that men have turn crazy all of a sudden? We don’t believe so.”

    The point is that if you spend a significant quantity of your energy telling guys it’s okay to treat women like personal domestic slaves and sex toys, eventually men are going to start regarding women as something less than human, and merely punchbags for their impotent aggression.

    “I don’t know if you are a faggot or not but what do you feel when you see a naked woman?”

    That line in itself is not going to make this guy a great many friends in contemporary politics …

  3. barriejohn says:

    Matt: The point is that the RCC still considers these people to be members, and includes them in membership figures, on the basis that they were baptized into the church as children. They wanted to register the fact that they had left the church, as I seem to remember that the hierarchy said that they would not be allowing members to leave officially in the future. We did cover this, but I can’t find the thread.

  4. barriejohn says:

    Here you are, Matt (follow the link when prompted):

    http://countmeout.ie/

    In April of this year, the Catholic Church modified the Code of Canon Law to remove all references to the act of formal defection, the process used by those who wish to formally renounce their membership of the Church.

    Since then, the Catholic Church in Ireland has been reflecting on the implications of this change for those who wish to leave the Catholic Church. Despite our requests for clarification, the Church have yet to reach a firm position on how or whether they will continue to accept requests for the annotation of the baptismal register.

    In recent weeks we have been contacted by an increasing number of people whose defections have not been processed, due to the limbo created by this canon law amendment.

    Because of this uncertainty, we have taken the decision to suspend the creation of declarations of defection via CountMeOut.ie from today (12th October 2010).

    Cunning buggers: so many people were leaving that they changed Canon Law to make it impossible so to do in the future!

  5. tony e says:

    I think it will be a long time before I read a statement as offensive as ‘They should do a self-examination and think: did we ask for it?’

    C’mon MaryD, this would be an excellent chance to show us nasty atheists that the rc church is really kind and loving.

    I won’t hold my breath.

  6. Daz says:

    How often do we see girls and even mature women walking on the streets in provocative and tight clothing?

    Two points. Firstly, this portrays men as feeble creatures, unable to control any lustful feelings they may have; basically excusing them of any responsibility to control any urges they might feel.

    Secondly it (wilfully?) ignores the fact that most rapes aren’t committed by strangers who’ve happened to espy a “provocatively” dressed woman “walking the streets.” They’re committed, generally, by someone known to, and trusted by, the victim, in a place, such as the home, where the victim feels safe.

  7. barriejohn says:

    Daz: They always put me in mind of the priest in Cinema Paradiso, who sat watching all the films and instructed the projectionist to cut out every scene that involved kissing. Great film, and the best ending of any that I have ever seen!

  8. Daz says:

    Barriejohn, I have to admit that I’ve never seen that. I’ll watch it at the next opportunity, though, given your recommendation. Thanks!

  9. barriejohn says:

    A cinematic delight, Daz, and the soundtrack is Morricone at his very best!

  10. Brummie says:

    Cinema Paradiso. Wonderful film. so Italian, and never descends to cliche.

  11. Trevor Blake says:

    These Italian clergy are moderates bordering on heretics. The Bible says in Genesis 38:24 that women who dress and act provocatively are to be burned alive. All these two can manage is an online scolding that is then withdrawn.

  12. barriejohn says:

    Well said, Trevor. And who could forget that supreme example of the scarlet woman, Jezebel?

    And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window. And as Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Had Zimri peace, who slew his master?

    And he lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? And there looked out to him two or three eunuchs. And he said, Throw her down. So they threw her down: and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses and he trod her under foot. And when he was come in, he did eat and drink, and said, Go, see now this cursed woman, and bury her: for she is a king’s daughter. And they went to bury her: but they found no more of her than the skull, and the feet, and the palms of her hands. Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the Lord, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel: and the carcass of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel. (II Kings 9:30-37)

    Such delightful stories for children:

    Enjoy the inspirational words and text of the Death of Jezebel Bible story. A free, printable Bible story about Death of Jezebel. This short Bible story of Death of Jezebel can be printed and used to create an unusual collection of the greatest Bible stories.

    http://www.hymns.me.uk/42-death-of-jezebel-bible-story.htm

  13. Stonyground says:

    I followed the link to the countmeout website and have sent them the following email:

    I followed a link to your website from the comments on the Freethinker blog where the subject of renouncing Catholicism was being discussed. I am an atheist who was baptised as an infant by the CofE and brought up as a methodist, so I am not personally able to benefit from your services. I note that your website says that the RCC have changed their rules and are now refusing to acknowledge defections, therefore I have a suggestion. If you make it possible for ex-Catholics to add their names to a register, then every time that the RCC make a claim about numbers, you can issue a press release indicating the number that needs to be subtracted in order to arrive at the real figure. At the same time, you can point out that they are actually lying by including people who have declared that they are no longer members.

  14. barriejohn says:

    Roman Catholics lying, Stonyground? Whoever heard of such a thing?

  15. Stonyground says:

    I tend to think that if your entire worldview is built upon a lie, then, whether you are aware that it is or not, you cannot express support for that worldview without lying.

    I think that we live in interesting times with regard to the RCC. After all, they have survived since the fourth century by adapting, often with great reluctence, to the world around them. They have used bullying whenever possible, but used more subtle methods of deception when the bullying hasn’t worked. I have a feeling that the world is now changing too quickly for them to keep up. The biggest change has to be the internet. The RCC can no longer keep their criminality a secret. Why they think that cranking up the gay bashing is going to save them is anybody’s guess, but to me it indicates that they are in a state of panic and have no idea what to do.

  16. AgentCormac says:

    Stonyground

    Good point and I agree entirely. The RCC seems utterly incapable of moving on and the more its hierarchy protests the more the whole stinking edifice seems totally out of touch. A vicious cycle that could well see its supporter base shrink to places like Africa and the Philippines within a decade or two. Like you I think they are in a blind panic. Thanks to the internet the cat is well and truly out of the bag. And the poop opening a twatter account isn’t going to change much at all. Good riddance!

  17. Robster says:

    The gaggle of loopy old men in dresses, the “leaders” of the catholic church are in a mad panic, for lots of reasons. In my own country, Australia, the catholics are public enemy number one. Their ongoing child rape story will get huge exposure in 2013 with a national royal commission to get underway, the number of Aussies going to church more than once a month has plummeted to under 7%, all clerics, catholic or otherwise are assumed to be kiddie fiddlers ’till proven otherwise, anti-ddiscrimination legislation is taking their ability to spread their hate and bigotry away, the number of people who identify as atheist or as non-believers is the fastest growing “religious” category, the crimes of the catholics and other cults are exposed for all to see on the web, the news is not good. It’s getting increasingly rare to meet people who admit to being a “believer” without an upfront apology. People are to the point of being embarassed to be seen as christian. All this is great and will continue in the new year becaus it’s all absurd nonsense and is being recognised as such. Religious “leaders” are their own worst enemy.

  18. Whisper says:

    Stonyground said:

    “At the same time, you can point out that they are actually lying by including people who have declared that they are no longer members.”
    Wow, was that a leap of faith? I don’t know, but, I missed your bibleography.
    While it might be true in many cases that when someone who realizes that something is false, they will decide the opposit must be true, and while it is definitely significant the numbers of people who are shedding RCC, the deficit between that and those who call themselves atheists is equally significant. The surge is not coming your way.
    And I can tell you exactly why. But, by doing so, I know, I am going to offend some of you, so let me say right up front, fuck you. Atheists think they own freethought. They don’t even understand what it is. Freethought is believing in science, yet atheists believe that the universe is an accident, something science is nowhere close to proving. The matter would be layed to rest as soon as a scientist creates a single subatomic particle out of nothing. Yet you have FAITH!!!! that someday they will. Religion.
    I’m the last to say they won’t, but in the meantime, you want to win the disillusioned faithful of the RCC? They might be doubting their beliefs in god, but, they cannot even hear your echo. Your ranks are infested with racists and conspiracy theorists, and you think you can be their next savior? You don’t understand anything about indoctrination. One thing I can tell you for sure, is that you cannot cure their blind faith with your blind faith.

    Whisper

  19. barriejohn says:

    Good news, Robster. I think it would be helpful if, as well as giving a username, commenters on this blog could identify the country in which they live. We do get to know where regulars are(eventually!), but it would often be enlightening to have this information available to all. The insular Brits always assume that everyone else must be British as well!

  20. Marky Mark says:

    (The message blamed the deaths of 118 women killed by men in Italy in 2012 on the “filthy clothes” they wore, and the “cold suppers” they dished up to their families.)

    Good thing there are no “Hooters” restaurants there in Italy…there’d be bodies piled up at the door with the Churches consent.

  21. barriejohn says:

    You’ve got me there, Marky Mark. What’s “Hooter’s”?

  22. Stonyground says:

    “Stonyground said:

    “At the same time, you can point out that they are actually lying by including people who have declared that they are no longer members.” ”

    This statement was based upon the fact that the RCC used to have a proceedure for altering baptismal records to take account of those who no longer regard themselves Catholic. By doing this, they were at least being honest and up front as they were not counting ex-Catholics in their numbers. Presumably, when the number of defectors were small this worked in their favour. Now the number of defectors has become a flood, the RCC has changed the rules, so those who no longer consider themselves Catholic are still being counted. Claiming that you represent people who have clearly stated that you do not represent them, by refusing to acknowledge what they have said is plainly lying. At no time did I make the claim that all of these ex-Catholics become atheists. Perhaps some do, most probably find another religion, I don’t have any figures to quote.

    “Freethought is believing in science,…”

    No it isn’t. Freethought is deciding what to believe, and what not to believe using your own mind and not taking anyone’s word for anything.

    “…yet atheists believe that the universe is an accident, something science is nowhere close to proving.”

    No-one knows how the universe started, we do know that the question is a lot more complex than just an accident. What we do know is that in ages past when people knew nothing about how the world worked, everything was attributed to God or The Gods. Since then we have worked out much about how the universe works, and every new mystery that gets solved, the answer, without a single exception has always been not God. So why would anyone think that any of our so far unanswered questions will be any different?

  23. Marky Mark says:

    Barriejohn
    Hooters = popular American restaurant chain famous for bad food and provocatively dressed, large breasted waitresses.

  24. barriejohn says:

    Marky Mark: I once had a voucher for a free burger at McDonalds. I spat it out and have never darkened their doors since (what the fuck do they make those disgusting baps from?). I didn’t notice the waitresses’ boobs, as I am gay and oblivious to such delights, but they did have some dishy young guys behind the counter!

    Stonyground: “Whisper” thinks that scientists are trying to “prove” that the universe came about “by accident”. He doesn’t understand the scientific method, nor the meaning of the word “accident”. For one moment I thought that NeoWolfe had found religion there! Another troll, nonetheless.

  25. Marky Mark says:

    Barriejohn…McDonalds is known as a “family” restaurant as “Hooters” is geared for adult males, and some females. Many attractive females apply at Hooters since the waitresses make very good money for being employed in the fast food industry.
    We call McDonalds burgers, “Worm Burgers”, as one does not know what they are made of…and I don’t eat there, have not for over 20 years. But I do like a good “Chicago” pizza every now and again…and those are hard to find now days since the fast food pizza chains have forced many of the mom & pop pizza parlors out of business.

  26. Marky Mark says:

    Stonyground said:
    (No-one knows how the universe started, we do know that the question is a lot more complex than just an accident.)
    We very well could be nothing more that a lab experiment floating around at the bottom of a test-tube with many other Universes, created by another species of intelligent life form that has no clue we exist. And since our time would not be relevant to theirs, 1 sec of their time would = a billion years in our time…our end times will come when the lab assistant washes the test-tube.

    And that theory is as logical as any religious belief…

  27. Stonyground says:

    “Another troll, nonetheless.”

    You maybe right but I tend not to be too hasty in labelling someone a troll just because that person disagrees with me. I think that he/she is wrong and I have politely stated why. Future responses might provide a clue.

  28. Matt Westwood says:

    “Chicago pizzas” can be found in the frozen foods section of any good restaurant in the UK. From what I understand, they consist of toasted cheese and toppings on a half of a baguette (or crusty “sub”) – am I right?

    Consequently, fairly easy to make oneself. Delightful. But not for me – I have my own idiosyncratic take on pizza manufacture.

  29. Marky Mark says:

    barriejohn said:
    (“Chicago pizzas” can be found in the frozen foods section of any good restaurant in the UK. From what I understand, they consist of toasted cheese and toppings on a half of a baguette (or crusty “sub”) – am I right?)

    Not a chance your getting a good pizza from a freezer. A good pizza is made fresh, and though the recipe is the same, the difference is the quality of ingredients and the way it is made. Many fast food pizza chains use some sort of processed meat they call sausage, frozen crust, and canned sauce.
    A good pizza uses real Italian sausage. Same for the cheese topping, one needs a good mozzarella cheese for a good pizza. And the crust is an art of its own…the ma & pop shops use to roll the crust and flip it around to get the right amount of oxygen mixed in, and give it texture.
    I worked for a mom & pop pizza restaurant as a kid and they spent all day making their sauce…had 2-3 old Italian guys rolling and spinning the dough (just like on old TV shows) for the crust on a Saturday night. The dough was made from scratch. The pizza is cooked in an oven with a stone rack, a “Pizza Oven”. The stone is heated through direct fire.

    Actually all their food was excellent.

  30. Marky Mark says:

    sorry, last comment was for Matt Westwood…

  31. Matt Westwood says:

    Well that put me right. It’s always dodgy making religious pronouncements. I will stick to things about which I have authority over rather than attempt to converse amiably with yanks about italian food.

  32. Stonyground says:

    I get a fairly good result by using pre-baked pizza bases, not frozen ones. I make my own sauce and top that with mozzarella and a topping of choice, it works fairly well.

  33. barriejohn says:

    Stonyground: Judging by his two posts on this site, he’s not here for debate (The Whisperer), but we shall see. I smell a NeoWolfe!

    I always thought that Chicago pizza “parlors” were used by the Mob to promote a very different trade!!

  34. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Pizza MCd, etc. That’s just trash when you can make believe proper food from the xtian-kitchen with just 5 fish and loaves.
    Hamdullah.
    As to the priest he is a dinosaur. And should be extinct.

    As to the naked moronic idiot. Well i wonder if he were drunk and black would he get 12 months probation. I have said this before but it is worth repeating.

  35. Angela_K says:

    Well, as the old joke goes about McDonalds and their like: Flush them straight down the loo to cut out the middleman.

    Marky Mark, you forgot to mention the bad beer at Hooters. I went several times to a Hooters next to my Hotel because my [male] boss like to go there!

    For some really disgusting food, try a Taco Bell.

    As for “Whisper” I’m always wary of those who come on to this forum and claim to be on our side but start shouting the odds.

  36. Broga says:

    ‘The Whisperer:

    “I am going to offend some of you, so let me say right up front, fuck you.”

    You don’t offend me. Your pseudo macho outrage is too obvious. And your role of righteous gladiator, armed with what you fancifully regard as logic and facts, in an arena surrounded by atheists is unconvincing. However, do continue with your efforts. You are so transparent in your motives as to make them entertaining.

  37. Whisper says:

    WOWWWWWWW!!!! I have never heard an atheist make a confession like this. Maybe he needs to say a few “Hail Mary’s” StoneyGround said:
    ““Freethought is believing in science,…”
    “No it isn’t. Freethought is deciding what to believe, and what not to believe using your own mind and not taking anyone’s word for anything.”

    That’s a wide lattitude. While atheists call religionists idiots because they believe in caveman mythology, which I agree with, because science has rendered it preposterous, you put forth the idea that science is not the root of freethought. Well, while I have read and watched a raft of bullshit and hubris come out of the astrophysics wing of science, where wild theories are accepted as fact, I think the one that offends me the most is the idea that the universe is an accident. Not because I believe it’s wrong, I just resent someone shoving some new religion down my throat. Science is something that can be proven in a lab. That is what I believe in. Theory is what an overpaid professor proposes as a possibility. The idiots who adopt it as a belief are the priests of failure of your philosophy. You are a hair’s breadth from winning the world, all you have to do is shed your hubris.

    Whisper

  38. remigius says:

    “Science is something that can be proven in a lab. That is what I believe in. Theory is what an overpaid professor proposes as a possibility.”

    Wrong again, fuckwit. Science can never prove anything. It can only offer a probability of something being true.

  39. Angela_K says:

    @ Whisper. Proof is only possible in Mathematics. You also need to understand the difference between proposition and theory; and the definition of a theory in a scientific context.

    “..bullshit and hubris come out of the astrophysics…” Science is a continuous process and works because when new observations or evidence come along, we can add to or adjust our previously accepted theory. That is the scientific method, we don’t always get it right and the popular Press don’t help by cherry picking and distorting bits to make a good headline or ascribing some new development properties it may not have.

  40. barriejohn says:

    Women staged a protest at Sunday mass after a priest in Italy blamed violence against females committed by men on provocative behaviour and clothing.

    The activists made their opposition to Father Pietro Corsi’s views clear at the main church in the Tuscan city of Carrara.

    http://www.euronews.com/2012/12/30/italy-priest-s-letter-draws-women-activists-to-sunday-mass-demo/

  41. tony e says:

    barriejohn,

    ‘Judging by his two posts on this site, he’s not here for debate (The Whisperer), but we shall see. I smell a NeoWolfe!’

    Strangely, that was exactly the first thought I had.

  42. Lennie says:

    [Hi Freethinker, get a load of what I discovered on the web!]

    Who Needs Holy Catholics?

    There’s already enough holy stuff:

    Holy Father, Holy Mother, Holy Week, Holy Virgin, Holy Water, Holy Orders, Holy Bingo, Holy Savior, Holy Family, Holy Matrimony, Holy Oils, and Holy Communion. So who needs Holy Catholics, especially in politics?

    The New Testament (Phil. 2:9-11) says that “Jesus” is “a name which is above every name.” Since many have viewed Catholicism as a “blasphemous counterfeit” of true Christianity, shouldn’t the Pope tell folks in Catholic countries to quit naming their boys “Jesus” and threaten to excommunicate them if they do? Wouldn’t this be a step in the right direction?

    (Believe it or not, the above message was inspired by “good Catholics” like Boehner, Biden, Pelosi and Madonna!)