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God’s true source of health is the Church, not Obamacare say’s ‘boiling frog’ fundie

PAT Necerato, “Mister Big” in a US outfit called Go Stand Speak Ministry, has just penned a wordy call to arms to all True Christians™. He wants them to take a concerted stand against President Obama’s healthcare legislation.frog-in-a-pot

He begins with the words:

Well, here we are, Christians sitting as frogs in the proverbial pot of boiling water. And now after years of seeing the bubbles, we’re finally starting to believe and feel the heat. Will we finally leap out into the fight, or continue to get cooked in boiling apathy?

He then provides seven Bible-based reasons why all True Christians should oppose Obamacare, one of them being:

As with any socialist program, this creates a spirit of dependence, lethargy and apathy among the people, causing us oftentimes to prop up, expect and support the state as a providing idol, rather than the Church — God’s true resource for ‘heath care’ – and the Spirit of God Himself.

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Pat Necerato

This was preceded by the words:

I’m sure none of us have little President Obama statues in our house — at least most of us don’t … yet. However, agreeing to controlled healthcare and medical services with mandated cooperation by Uncle Sam is very close. Why? We allow ourselves to be intimately connected with the state by allowing all aspects of our social, family, business and personal lives to become accustomed to leaning on the state for care and help rather than God. When we do this, the God-given resources the Scriptures teach that man should use in order to provide for himself, things like consistent hard work and sweat, are principles that are gradually put to the wayside — or worse, never learned.

Necerato, described as a “street preacher and filmmaker”, concluded:

We must stand and speak against this atrocity of Obamacare and not be afraid of the consequences of what our church members, pastors, neighbors or government may think. Are you in? If so, resist this tyranny by refusing to partake in it, endorse it or be associated with it in any way.

24 Responses to “God’s true source of health is the Church, not Obamacare say’s ‘boiling frog’ fundie”

  1. Stonyground says:

    Maybe he has noticed the connection between adequate health and welfare provisions and lack of religion. If that is the case he has a point, but not one that reflects well on him. If his religion is riding on people’s poverty and poor health, and hoping to retain the status quo for that reason, then shame on them.

  2. Daz says:

    Speaking, here, for what he would seem to see as the Soviet Socialist Repub Monarchy of the United Kingdom, I’d like to point out that the national health service which we “lean on for care” is actually paid for by us in the first place, with money earned by our “hard work and sweat.” Given this blatantly obvious fact; what, precisely, is his point? Idiot.

    Mind you, if any kind of PAYE scheme is adopted, he’d see a big drop in his tithes, as 10% of peoples’ take-home wages would be rather less. Not that I’m cynical or owt…

  3. barriejohn says:

    They appear to be Calvinists, so I assume that the aim of the street preaching is, as with Westboro Baptists, to bring people “under God’s judgment” rather than to convert anyone. They are virulently homophobic I see (“I think anyone would agree that making something that is immoral a human right is unjust and unlawful, to both God and society”), but not in the least bit “hateful” – oh, no, sir! The following article pretty well sets out their philosophy:

    http://www.gostandspeak.com/the-true-nature-of-the-battle-by-rusty-lee-thomas/

    By God’s grace, I’d like to give some opening remarks and then launch into the meat of the message. First, a nation can survive wicked, foolish leaders. It cannot survive a wicked, foolish people who elect them. The Obama Administration is not the root of the problem, but a fruit of the problem. Obama is God’s ex-ray that reveals the wretched state of our nation. The godless public education has taken its toll upon the American mind as Marxism has moved from the class room to the White House. There is a direct connection between our spiritual and moral state and the litany of woe upon the land.

  4. barriejohn says:

    Why do Americans take these people seriously?

    http://youtu.be/SoVgfcUtfPA

  5. RabbitOnAStick says:

    I would like to see when he is – or any of these people who agree or support him are – seriously ill to pray to gawd rather than waste his time taking conventional medicine provided by a state hospital.

  6. charlie says:

    I am sick and very tired of these morons who claim that Gobomber is a “socialist” or a “Marxist”. He is NOT in any way, shape, or form. In fact, old tricky Dick Nixon of Watergate infamy was to the left of the current occupant of the White House. The morons who say otherwise have zero clue to reality.
    Obama care is just going to make insurance companies richer. America needs a true national health care system, yet these clowns demand more gawd. America, what a country. And yes, I was born here and still live in America

  7. AgentCormac says:

    Wasn’t Jesus the ultimate socialist? The first shall be last, do unto others, throwing out the money lenders, sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, etc., etc., etc.. It all sounds like solid socialism to me.

  8. RabbitOnAStick says:

    AgentCormac

    actually like much in the bibble that quote is wrong. it’s actually a thick or sturdy rope not a camel through the eye of a needle. The so called original manuscript misused the word for thick rope for camel which were similar save one letter. It was originally [if thats correct] gamta ‘thick rope’ replaced by gamla which is camel.

    The bibble is full of errors and lies, mistold throughout centuries and never corrected : just apologised misconstrued and retold as ‘fact’. It’s all utter facile mendacious crap whatever word it is.

  9. barriejohn says:

    ROAS: Debatable, that. The explanation that I was familiar with as a Christian was that “The Needle’s Eye” was a small door in the main gate of the city, and that if a traveller wanted to enter at night he would have to unload his camel and pass both it and his belongings through with great difficulty (there is a painting that illustrates this!). However, as the Talmud has a similar expression involving an elephant rather than a camel, I am somewhat dubious. It just seems like a humorous illustration to me – why should it “make sense”? Anyway, as you so rightly say, these were never the words of “Jesus” – just sayings gathered from different sources, like the Essenes, and cobbled together to look like the teachings of some mythical leader!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eye_of_a_needle

  10. barriejohn says:

    This is said to be the “Eye of the Needle Gate” at Nazareth, but I have no corroboration of that:

    http://www.best-travel-deals-tips.com/images/israel-nazareth-eye-of-the-needle.jpg

  11. remigius says:

    barriejohn. Dunno ’bout the gate, but that’s definitely a camel, rather than a bit of rope!

  12. Marky Mark says:

    (I would like to see when he is – or any of these people who agree or support him are – seriously ill to pray to gawd rather than waste his time taking conventional medicine provided by a state hospital.)

    …Your forgetting that these people believe they will receive great rewards after they die so a serious illness is more likely welcome by the truly insane believers. Almost as stupid as the reward of virgins after death.

  13. Georgina says:

    @charlie:
    Gobomber is a “socialist” or a “Marxist”. He is NOT in any way, shape, or form

    On the other hand, does he act like a patriotic American?

  14. RabbitOnAStick says:

    MArkyMArk
    apart from jehovah’s cretins when did you ever hear of a xtian praying to get well rather than use a state hospital. Like me you may probably never heard of them doing that. After they go into hospital they pray a lot which by research & experiments it was been discovered it makes them recovery worse than ‘normal’ people. which is actually quite funny!

    and it is white raisins not virgins! Moreover, in a land of milk and honey & gardens etc. This comes from their backward 2000 year old BS religion, when no one had gardens, and milk and honey were nice treats. Bit like mohamster getting to heaven on a winged horse and riding about in chariots. Ummmm they are only mentioned because no one had heard of a wheelbarrow. Which would have been technologically superior to both in their day.

  15. AgentCormac says:

    ROAS & barriejohn

    Point(s) taken re. the validity of the bible. But my assertion still stands – this idiot is using the bible to discredit what he sees as socialism, when to all extents and purposes the bible (in its current form and the therefore the form that Necerato uses) has a distinctly socialist rather than free-market/neo-con sentiment to it.

  16. Lucy 1 says:

    I saw an episode of QI, where Stephen ‘clever clogs’ Fry stated the Needle’s eye =gate thing was just made up to justify the camel thing, and it was all nonsense. There was no record of such a gate.
    As I remember, David Mitchell went mental. he had been told that story at his private school and was going to demand his money back!

  17. Lucy 1 says:

    BTW. What has happened to the captcha code?

  18. barriejohn says:

    I think it’s a myth as well, Lucy, but you can see why Christians love that illustration:

    http://finishers.org/index.php?id=362

  19. Daz says:

    Georgina

    On the other hand, does he act like a patriotic American?

    Yep! Other Americans may disagree with what he does, but for a person to be unpatriotic, they have, by definition, to be either uncaring about or purposefully trying to harm, their country. (I realise some whackos do make this claim, but, well, they’re whackos.)

  20. Stephen Mynett says:

    ROAS, there is a group called the synagogue church of all nations (SCOAN) they have been pushing bogus AIDS claims about, saying prayer and holy water are enough. So far at least six people with HIV have died in England in the last couple of years because they gave up the standard HIV medications and turned to prayers. HIV drugs have come a long way and can extend life-expectancy many years but poor suckers have died early because of religious claims.

    Faith healing is a menace, there may not be too many gullible people sucked in but there are several groups that promote it.

  21. Broga says:

    Faith healing: When the person dies there are always good reasons e.g.

    1. The person was not praying long enough, hard enough or with sufficient faith;

    2. God wanted them in heaven – in the case of a child usually to be an angel;

    3. They were directing their prayers to the wrong God. This is a tough call because there are clearly many different perceptions of God even within the same religion. How do you know the right one.

    4. The deceased had finished their earthly work and was called to the right hand of God.

    And many more ……….

  22. charlie says:

    Georgina,
    No, he acts like a war criminal. He has his kill list and authorized and authorizes drone strikes that kill innocent civilians and children, then sheds a tear or so for dead American school children. The Afghanis and Pakistanis also cry for their dead children, children killed by the war criminal who has a “Peace prize”. How does the Noble committee square that?

  23. Stephen Mynett says:

    Broga, you are quite right. I heard very similar answers when I asked a priest why no scrap metal merchant had made a fortune selling off the discarded wheelchairs, crutches etc left at Lourdes.

  24. Robster says:

    Surely a tasteful Obama moulded staue would be in much better taste than a nailed up magic jew hanging off a stick like you find at just about every christian venue world wide. Would the Prez be covered in blood? probably not. Can people drink up Obama blood and munch on bits of Obama flesh at church on Subday like they like to do with bits of the baby jesus? Probably not. Are deluded godbots silly idiots? Probably.