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Hatred of homosexuals ‘is more important to Russia than oil or gas’

CLASHES broke out yesterday between supporters and opponents of a draft law banning “homosexual propaganda” outside the Russian Parliament, a few hundred metres from the Kremlin in central Moscow.

Moscow police grapple with gay protesters outside the Duma

Moscow police grapple with gay protesters outside the Duma

Supporters of the bill, some of them holding Russian Orthodox icons and crosses, cheered and threw eggs as police hauled away gay activists, one of whom was splashed with green paint. Police said 20 people had been held.

According to this report, the Russian Parliament backed the draft law  in what critics see as a attempt to shore up support for President Vladimir Putin.

Only one deputy in the State Duma lower house voted against the bill, but passions spilled over outside the chamber. The 20 gay activists were detained after scuffles between Russian Orthodox Christians and homosexuals who staged a “kiss-in” protest.

United Russia deputy Dmitry Sablin said before the 388-1 vote in the 450-seat chamber:

We live in Russia, not Sodom and Gomorrah. Russia is a thousands-years-old country founded on its own traditional values – the protection of which is dearer to me than even oil and gas.

But Veteran human rights campaigner Lyudmila Alexeyeva described the draft law as “medieval” and said it was intended to appeal to conservative voters after months of protests that have sapped Putin’s popularity.

It (the Duma) is relying on the ignorance of people who think homosexuality is some sort of distortion.

Putin has drawn closer to the Russian Orthodox Church during in recent months, most markedly during the trial and sentencing this summer of three members of the Pussy Riot punk band over their protest in the country’s main cathedral.

The former KGB spy has blamed gays for failing to help reverse Russia’s population decline, and has increasingly looked for support among conservative constituencies and particularly the Church to offset his falling support.

The Russian Orthodox Church, resurgent since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, has, of course, condemned homosexuality.

Anti-gay propaganda laws are already in place in Arkhangelsk, Novosibirsk and St Petersburg, Putin’s home city, where it was used unsuccessfully to sue American singer Madonna for $10 million for promoting gay love during a concert last year.

The law must be passed in three readings by the lower house, approved by the upper house and then signed by Putin to go into force. It would ban the promotion of gay events across Russia and impose fines of up 500,000 roubles on organisers.

Supporters of the law welcome moves that would allow the banning of gay rights marches. They have been moaning about television and radio programmes which they say show support for gay couples.

Ruling United Russia party deputy, Elena Mizulina, who chairs the Duma’s family issues committee, said:

The spread of gay propaganda among minors violates their rights. Russian society is more conservative so the passing of this law is justified.

But some deputies raised concerns the bill would be misused, asking how it would define homosexuality, and one said the house was meddling in issues beyond its scope. United Russia’s Sergei Kuzin said:

Do you seriously think that you can foster homosexuality via propaganda?

Meanwhile, the Russian military believes it has found a way of detecting unwanted gays in its ranks – by searching intimate nooks and crannies for tattoos. Tats found close to sexual organs and buttocks are possible signs of “sexual deviations,” according to this report.

19 Responses to “Hatred of homosexuals ‘is more important to Russia than oil or gas’”

  1. barriejohn says:

    I don’t like to be pedantic, Barry, but you’ve got it wrong again. It’s “daft law”, not “draft law”.

  2. JohnMWhite says:

    “The spread of gay propaganda among minors violates their rights. Russian society is more conservative so the passing of this law is justified.”

    These sentences make no sense and this sort of muddled, incoherent thinking is precisely why religion should be nowhere near politics. Aside from there not really being gay propaganda to worry about, showing it to minors no more violates their rights than heterosexual imagery that is an absolute constant in their culture. You can’t hide sexuality from minors, and if anything developing minors have a right to be educated rather than deliberately kept in the dark. What the first sentence really means is “I have decided that backward, self-centred parents have a right to control their children and make them not gay, because they’d hate them if they were and feel like a failure somehow”.

    The next sentence is a simplistic appeal to the majority that is almost adorable for how childlike such thinking is. Unfortunately this is coming from a senior politician in one of the more powerful countries on Earth. That’s simply not healthy.

  3. AgentCormac says:

    The nature of this story is, it hardly needs saying, abhorrent to anybody who values human rights and deplores the victimisation of any human being simply because they don’t fit some kind of prescribed ‘norm’. And I have nothing but contempt for those who felt compelled, for whatever reason, to take to the streets of Moscow to voice their objection to gay people.

    However, as a heterosexual atheist who comes to this blog to share in banter aimed at discrediting and exposing the lie of religion, I do fail to see anything other than a very tenuous connection here between gay rights and atheism.

    Just sayin’, Barry.

  4. Angela_K says:

    At least the communists kept the church under some control but now religion, as usual fans the flames of hatred. It makes me wonder if the fall of the Berlin wall was worth it.

  5. Sabbag says:

    @AgentCormac – the connection isn’t tenuous. This is the ruling party of one of the most powerful countries on earth attempting to introduce a discriminatory law which is designed to win the votes of the conservative religious right in that country. The law could just as easily be aimed at atheists or other “wrong thinking” groups.

  6. Barry Duke says:

    This is the very reason I posted it, Sabbag.

  7. RabbitOnAStick says:

    I doubt very much that hatred is more important than oil & gas in Russia.

    However this is a nice quote:

    Plato had argued that a well-ordered society needed doctrines which the masses believed to be divinely inspired. ”

    And in this case the divine is Mr Puke-tin.

  8. barriejohn says:

    This is what Barry was referring to, RAOS:

    United Russia deputy Dmitry Sablin said before the 388-1 vote in the 450-seat chamber:

    We live in Russia, not Sodom and Gomorrah. Russia is a thousands-years-old country founded on its own traditional values – the protection of which is dearer to me than even oil and gas.

    Like the Nazis, modern Russians have invented a “thousands-years-old” history!

  9. Daz says:

    barriejohn

    Ah, the good ol’ argument from tradition (spurious or not). Easily stated as “Bigotry that was good enough for Grandfather is good enough for you!”

    (Posted from my safely traditional personall computyng devyce, running Fenestra™ 1000.)

  10. Broga says:

    I suppose the Gulag was part of their tradition and history: 1 in 4 died every year in those hells.

  11. Jay says:

    AgentCormac

    You do have a point because it is easy to automatically blame religion (which is a big part) but there are plenty of incidents of harassment from people who are not at all religious, people who follow no other religious tenet in their lives.

    Russia has a bigger problem, in that they attempt to marginalize anything that looks like a threat to the ideology of the current government. Any critical group that finds itself getting a bit of attention will be targeted.

  12. Enough777 says:

    Good job Russia!!!!!!!

    “Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is

    abomination.” Leviticus 18:22

    “And don’t forget the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their

    neighboring towns all full of lust of every kind including the

    lust of men for other men. Those cities were destroyed by fire

    and continue to be a warning to us that there is a hell in which

    sinners are punished.” Jude 1:7

    Would any of you abominators like to see the M O D E R N

    pictures and/or videos of the M I L L I O N S of sulfur balls

    (brimstone) that S T I L L surround the ashen remains and will

    burn through metal like butter to this day???!!!!!!!

    Well………???????

    Would you?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. barriejohn says:

    Drop dead, you fucking idiot. You are talking about NATURAL EVENTS which gave rise to ancient myths!

  14. Angela_K says:

    Enough777. Another ignorant and bigoted troll, go back to groveling to your imaginary friend and as barriejohn said: Expletive followed by transitive verb!

  15. RabbitOnAStick says:

    enough 777

    I’d like to see the actual evidence.That would be helpful.

    In fact why don’t you start by letting us all have the actual evidence for the babble and these verses. That’s the best place to start.

    Maybe you can give evidence that all 27 and 39 pamphlets of the nt and ot are real. Written by gawd. laid down all those centuries ago. and by that I mean within the last five because that’s when the nt was completed and the text finally settled on.

    i guess you are still living in the 1500’s by the looks of it.

    Just to let you know it’s now 2013.

  16. barriejohn says:

    ROAS: I’m sure you’re aware that Genesis as we know it (more-or-less!) was written/compiled/rewritten by Jewish leaders during the Babylonian captivity. I’m pretty sure that there was an ancient myth about the people of Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed due to their inhospitable behaviour towards visitors, but that that most certainly had nothing to do with homosexuality. (Ironic when you consider the present-day use of the term “sodomy”.) The really ridiculous thing is that rocky pillars were formed in the Dead Sea area by natural means over millions of years; ancient peoples invented a story about one of their gods turning somebody into a “pillar of salt” due to her disobedience; modern-day believers see pillars of rock in that locality and say: “There’s the proof that it really did happen”! How stupid can anyone really be?

  17. Broga says:

    Enough777: These quotes have been written, rewritten and translated many times and it requires a clown, like yourself, to beleive that they have any relevance to modern life. I suppose, with your brain rotted with indoctrination into a slew of superstition you think these were the words of your God. Strictly, out of interest, have you ever been sectioned. The paranoia fuelling your comments indicates that you have or will be soon. Do yourself a favour. Get help now.

  18. Matt Westwood says:

    @Enough777: Give us a kiss, sweetie …