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Oxford Union fiasco robs hate-monger Scott Lively of an opportunity to spread his venom

THE OXFORD Union last month faced a barrage of criticism after it announced that a vicious American homophobe, Scott Lively, had been invited to participate in a debate on gay parenting on January 17.

But the detestable bastard failed to show up because he claims to have been given the wrong date.

Scott Lively

Scott Lively

According to this report, Lively is “frankly appalled” over the fact that the organisers had “failed to correct” an administrative error that led to his flight being booked for the wrong day. He whinged:

In point of fact, the Oxford Union completely botched my part in the debate by inviting me for January 31st and not the 17th, and failed to correct their error in subsequent email exchanges referencing the 31st as the date of my appearance.

Indeed, their letter confirming my role in the debate clearly identified the 31st as the date of the debate.

He added:

It is still my intention and desire to speak on the 1st [of February, my birthday, as it happens].

This was confirmed yesterday by one of Lively’s few adoring fans in the UK, Stephen “Birdshit” Green, who described Lively on his Christian Vice webshite as someone who has:

A personal testimony of the healing power of the Lord Jesus and is a strong advocate of Christian healing therapy for those suffering from same-sex attraction.

Green added that Lively:

Has become a hate-figure of gay rights activists since his address on that subject to parliamentarians in Uganda was followed by the introduction of a Bill to make the promotion of sodomy in the East African nation illegal.

And he pointed out that:

The President-Elect of the Union has courteously offered to schedule an additional event for him to speak on Friday 1st February.

That’s just bullshit, according to this blog, which said:

In light of this fiasco, the OU reluctantly agreed to hold a special event on 1st February so the Pastor could speak to students, but now it has been cancelled  (logistically impossible) and, a further suggestion from him that they organise a casual Q & A with a handful of students has also been deemed ‘logistically impossible’.

It seems to us that there are only two possibilities that explain the actions of the Oxford Union in this troubling debacle. Either they are bungling, disorganised amateurs when it comes to matters of speaker invitations   OR  they are devious and manipulative and never intended to allow Pastor Lively to take part in their debate and made use of his name to garner publicity for their event. Whichever is true, they have done nothing to put right a great wrong done to Pastor Lively.

Writing for the Guardian earlier this month, Roz Kaveney, who was invited, then disinvited to take part in the debate, said she would not have shared a platform with Lively, and she lambasted the OU for asking Lively, as well as fascist Nick Griffin of the BNP, to participate:

Anyone who knows who Lively is, knows what he is – an evangelical Christian preacher and activist from Oregon in the US whose virulent homophobia reaches dangerous levels.

This is a man whose idea of confronting opponents – what he calls ‘battle-hardened tactics’ and Masculine Christianity – included a 1991 incident in which he dragged a lesbian photojournalist through a Portland church by her hair, something for which he eventually paid damages of $20,000. Apart from the no-platform aspect of things, I would not have felt physically safe arguing in public with a man who has form for violence.

Which would explain why Green gets all moist over over Lively. They are two peas is a pod.

She added:

His approach to intellectual matters is equally, shall we say, robust. One of his books, The Pink Swastika, alleges that the entire Nazi era was a homosexual plot; another, The Poisoned Stream, makes similar allegations about the Spanish Inquisition, the French Revolution, African-American slavery and the rise of apartheid in South Africa.

Any resemblance between this sort of paranoid alternative history and the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion perhaps explains why Lively plays quite well in parts of eastern Europe, where anti-gay viciousness has picked up the tropes and trappings of anti-Semitism.

Lively is currently being sued by the organization Sexual Minorities Uganda, which alleges that his actions in Uganda over the past ten years led to the persecution, torture, arrest and murder of gay people in the country.

For the record, the Oxford Union’s student audience voted by 345 votes to 21 that “this house would be glad to have gay parents”.

More on this debacle on Melanie Nathan’s blog. She got to interview Lively.

34 Responses to “Oxford Union fiasco robs hate-monger Scott Lively of an opportunity to spread his venom”

  1. RabbitOnAStick says:

    So the Truff will shit you free says” Either they are bungling, disorganised amateurs when it comes to matters of speaker invitations OR they are devious and manipulative and never intended to allow Pastor Lively to take part in their debate”.

    isn’t this the stance taken by xtian religions. And especially bridship’s own web site to stiffle debate from those not-conforming to his egotistical religionist cretinous ideology?

  2. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Doesn’t lively look somewhat like Eugine terrblanche. That lovely bible spouting south african black hating nazi?

  3. Barry Duke says:

    Ah yes, the lovely Mr Terre’blanche, who has one thing in his favour: he’s a very DEAD Christian fascist!
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/04/eugene-terreblanche-obituary

  4. Trevor Blake says:

    Letting speakers have their say (and take their lumps) is at the root of free thought. Knowing that in some countries my saying “there is no God” is illegal hate speech gives me some sympathy for fellow hate-speakers. I take my lumps (and avoid travel to Muslim nations), let Lively and Griffin and the rest do the same. Their liberty to spit poison and our liberty to deliver in kind are related.

    In the past when I’ve sought to debate theists (as a charity fund raiser) I’ve had no takers. Oh well.

  5. Marky Mark says:

    Religion is like a penis
    It’s ok to have one
    It’s ok to be proud of it
    HOWEVER!
    Do not pull it out in public
    Do not push it on children
    Do not write laws with it
    Do not think with it

  6. John A says:

    The same Scott Lively who claimed Noah’s Biblical flood was punishment from God for the writing of wedding songs to homosexual marriage.
    I believe in freedom of speech and also that it’s rude to laugh at stupid people. However, I wish he would just shut up and It’s true, I am quite rude as I always laugh at people like him. The awful truth is though he is listened to and held in high regard by equally bigoted people; some of which are in a position of authority with political sway. To my mind this makes him an ideal candidate to be invited to the OU so that his ideology can be put under the spotlight and dissected; not for one minute do I believe it would have any bearing on him shifting from his nasty opinions but I would hope that others who may be undecided would be able to see him for what he is. Would allowing him to speak be providing him with a platform for his extreme views thus affording them undue legitimacy? Possibly in some people’s eyes but I don’t believe you can just sweep these things under the carpet, especially with todays information technology making his voice heard around the world anyway. He is a boil which without attention will fester. There again, who gives a toss what I think, I’m going to make another cup of tea now and the world’s wrongs will all be put right…

  7. the Woggler says:

    I think a great opportunity to expose this scumbag publicly has been missed. We need more public debate with the Lively’s of this world, not less.

  8. RabbitOnAStick says:

    John A

    “I would hope that others who may be undecided would be able to see him for what he is. Would allowing him to speak be providing him with a platform for his extreme views thus affording them undue legitimacy? ”

    I do believe that the people attending the OU debates would be more than intelligent enough to know him. And surely know exactly what he is/was/would behave. And no doubt no one would be swayed ‘for’ by this man by any debate he may make.

  9. barriejohn says:

    It’s birthday greetings to Barry today, everyone. (Fifty already, Barry? How the years do fly!) We’re all invited to the party and the drinks are free!!

  10. barriejohn says:

    Here’s Lively in full flow in…Uganda, of all places! (Who’d have thought it?)

    http://youtu.be/zPxTXqeOoeo

    No point trying to engage with him, really.

  11. barriejohn says:

    Here’s what Bryan Fischer has to say about Lively. (Note the image behind him, with its subliminal message!)

    http://youtu.be/wal2lJGGdk0

  12. OurSally says:

    @Marky Mark; +1

  13. Matt Westwood says:

    @Marky Mark:

    “… and do not try to shove it down my throat.”

    As for the incident described, I think it’s a shame Lively wasn’t able to contribute to the debate. It might have been an evening of delightfully entertaining mayhem and vigorous physical activity. As it was, it appears to have been an event which was disappointingly one-sided, even humdrum.

  14. Matt Westwood says:

    @barriejohn: Anyone who quotes Shakespeare in prayer is a scoundrel for sure.

  15. RabbitOnAStick says:

    DAZ

    That is just astonishing.

    Look at this bit.

    “Since God never commanded death for normal or acceptable actions, it is as unreasonable to say that homosexuality is normal as it is to say that murder or stealing is norma”

    INSANE

  16. Trevor Blake says:

    “Since God never commanded death for normal or acceptable actions, it is as unreasonable to say that homosexuality is normal as it is to say that murder or stealing is normal.”

    Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death. – Exodus 31:14

    He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. – Leviticus 24:16

  17. Lennie says:

    America’s Slow Suicide !

    Jesus stated in Luke 17 that just before His return to earth as Judge, two big “crazes” will happen worldwide at the same time: (1) insane violence (“days of Noah”), and (2) outrageous sexual perversion (“days of Lot” – see Gen. 19). Aren’t beheadings, cannibalism, and school shootings violent? And what’s more perverted than a mob trying to rape LITERAL angels (see Gen. 19 again)?! So, America, keep spitting on God but you’d better duck when He spits back!! (PS – For a bigger enchilada, Google “when DIVERSITY becomes PERVERSITY.”)

  18. barriejohn says:

    Lennie: Are you receiving treatment?

  19. Angela_K says:

    Oh no! Ken has sent one of his batshit crazy mates to post bits of the babble in his absence.

  20. Broga says:

    @Lennie: Jesus never said any of this. His very existence is doubtful. He was not the son of God and there is no God. The bible from which you quote wasn’t written in English but was later invented and cobbled together. Try not to be so silly. You are embarassing yourself and anyone who reads your crazy opinions.

  21. barriejohn says:

    Broga: Don’t encourage the idiot. People were saying these very selfsame things in the First Century, and have been saying so to my personal knowledge since I became a Christian around fifty years ago! (“Look at the atate of things – the Coming of the Lord must be very near!”) Talk about ignorance.

  22. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Lennie is in the Ken league. Quite chilling really to read comments like these and realise that in 2013 the people who write them believe them. Don’t they enquire into anything they believe?

  23. AgentCormac says:

    Planet Earth calling Lennie. Come back, Lennie, you forgot your brain.

  24. barriejohn says:

    “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” (James 5:7&8 KJV)

    Certainly written in the first couple of centuries after Jesus was supposed to have lived!

  25. RabbitOnAStick says:

    I think that as ken is gawd, being the one true ken, lennie is the fist of 12.so we should expect another 11.

  26. Marky Mark says:

    (So, America, keep spitting on God but you’d better duck when He spits back!!)
    …Well he seems to be spitting back at the American bible belt with the intensity of the storms there. And most likely for their ignorance to Global Warming and the destroying of his planet.

    …Also, Happy B-Day Barrie. Half a century is quite a feat and the knowledge gained is priceless. If you feel as I do these are some good words for the youngish;
    “If I knew I would live this long…I would have taken better care of my body.”

  27. barriejohn says:

    Marky Mark: It was Barry’s birthday, not mine, and he’s actually 66. I was joking!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Duke

    The funniest comment I’ve heard on ageing comes from the late presenter and cricket commentator, Brian Johnston, who was a very witty after-dinner speaker and as bald as a coot:

    “When you get old three things happen to you. First you lose your hair, then you lose your memory – and I can’t remember the third one”!

  28. barriejohn says:

    Marky Mark: Your quote appeared in print years ago, but is often attributed to Eubie Blake, who certainly repeated it. I was reading about it only last night (divine guidance, again!). You will find plenty of people repeating that he said it on his hundredth birthday, dying just days later, but he was, in fact, 96 when he died, not one hundred as he claimed. His friends had his headstone amended accordingly, to indulge the feller!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eubie_Blake

  29. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: But Barry Duke looks 50.

  30. barriejohn says:

    Strictly no comment, Broga!

  31. jay says:

    I do hope his accusations against the Oxford Union as to ‘intentionally bungling’ are wrong. That would be a cowardly way of avoiding the issue.

  32. Marky Mark says:

    (Your quote appeared in print years ago, but is often attributed to Eubie Blake)
    …Can’t remember where I heard it, or read it…so thanks for that info.

    (It was Barry’s birthday, not mine, and he’s actually 66. I was joking!)
    …it’s not nice to fool mother nature. 66yrs…dam, I feel like a teenager now.

  33. 1859 says:

    Whoever has a birthday, have a good one – and, if you’re over 60, remember, never watse an erection and never trust a fart.