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Catholic meddling appears to have delayed Boy Scouts of America’s decision on gay inclusion

All leaders and organizations that serve young people have a responsibility to protect and foster a life of virtue according to their particular mission.  Organizations have a duty to select leaders that model virtues and core values with integrity.

Of course they do!

But one can only gasp when those words are uttered by a representative of a CATHOLIC organisation!

Given that the RC Church has systematically betrayed the trust of millions of youngsters, huge numbers of whom have been raped and abused for decades by this body of lawbreakers and perverts, the irony of John Halloran Jr’s words will not be lost on those who read reports that his organisation  – the National Catholic Committee on Scouting (NCCS) – has apparently succeeded in delaying a decision by the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to announce  a lift its ban on openly homosexual scouts and leaders.

According to this report, the leadership of the NCCS has urged Catholics involved with the Scouts to continue voicing their opposition to the policy change.

The national executive board of the Scouts, which has been meeting since February 4 in Irvine, Texas, yesterday issued a statement that read in part:

After careful consideration and extensive dialogue within the Scouting family, along with comments from those outside the organization, the volunteer officers of the Boy Scouts of America’s National Executive Board concluded that due to the complexity of this issue, the organization needs time for a more deliberate review of its membership policy.

To that end, the National Executive Board directed its committees to further engage representatives of Scouting’s membership and listen to their perspectives and concerns. This will assist the officers’ work on a resolution on membership standards. The approximately 1,400 voting members of the National Council will take action on the resolution at the National Annual Meeting in May 2013.

The BSA has a highly centralized structure, but each unit is chartered at a local level. There are approximately 100,000 units, with almost 70 percent of them created by religious organisations. Catholic churches account for 8,570 of these units, placing them third after the Mormons (37,882) and Methodists (11,078).

More than half of all Scouts belong to religious bodies that actively oppose a change in policy.

At present, an unofficial “don’t ask don’t tell” policy is in effect. It is possible for homosexuals to participate in scouting if they do not “come out” about their homosexuality.

Ryan Andresen was denied his Eagle Scout honor in October 2012 when he announced his homosexuality after completing the requirements for the award.

Ryan

Ryan Andresen

Meanwhile, ousted lesbian Cub Scout leader Jennifer Tyrrell claimed she gathered 1.4 million signatures on a petition about overturning the ban.

Two new members of the Scouting board have been pressing for inclusion. Randall Stephenson, Chairman and Chief Executive of AT&T, and James Turley, Chairman and Chief Executive of Ernst & Young, have both indicated that they support a more inclusive policy regarding homosexual leaders and scouts.

In a June 2012 statement, Turley said

As CEO, I know that having an inclusive culture produces the best results, is the right thing for our people and makes us a better organization. My experience has led me to believe that an inclusive environment is important throughout our society and I am proud to be a leader on this issue. I support the meaningful work of the Boy Scouts in preparing young people for adventure, leadership, learning and service, however the membership policy is not one I would personally endorse.

As I have done in leading Ernst & Young to being a most inclusive organization, I intend to continue to work from within the BSA Board to actively encourage dialogue and sustainable progress.

Even President Barack Obama weighed in over the weekend, urging Boy Scout leaders to admit homosexuals in a CBS interview.

The Scouts are a great institution that are promoting young people and exposing them to opportunities and leadership that will serve people for the rest of their lives. And I think nobody should be barred from that.

 

31 Responses to “Catholic meddling appears to have delayed Boy Scouts of America’s decision on gay inclusion”

  1. barriejohn says:

    “The NCCS will offer input based on Catholic teachings and values.”

    @Nuff said. Meanwhile, elsewhere:

    More than 40 conservative organizations took out an ad in USA Today urging the BSA to “stand firm for timeless values.”

    One of those groups, Texas Values, rallied with hundreds of people outside the BSA headquarters in Irving, Texas, on Wednesday just as the postponement decision was announced.

    “There’s no doubt that the faith communities that have gotten involved in this issue have made a difference,” said Jonathan Saenz, president of Texas Values. “We’re very encouraged to see so many people of religious faith step up and be leaders and do what’s right.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/religious-sponsors-loom-large-in-boy-scouts-policy-debate/2013/02/06/95a39e1a-70af-11e2-b3f3-b263d708ca37_story.html?

  2. AgentCormac says:

    The RCC is populated with such shamelessly bigoted bastards whose words and actions are so consistently out of step with the modern world and modern life that you can’t imagine how the RCC can possibly survive in the long term. I, for one, sincerely hope that it doesn’t.

  3. Bill says:

    Ryan Andressen also said he did not believe the Scout Oath which means he disqualified himself.

    This article has NAZI like attitude towards Catholics and ohter Christians.

    Why can’t homosexuals quit trying to force their way into the Boy Socuts and form their own organization that encourages homosexual men and under age boys to spend time together?

  4. MaryD says:

    So the RC church can’t offer an opinion on this issue because a very few of its priests secretly engaged in homosexual practices with children?

    That’s a bit like denying a senior police officer a view on crime because some police officers have engaged in criminal activity. Or labeling this blog ‘Freethinker’ just because only 0.1% of its respondents show that characteristic!

    I would like to think that scout leaders would display better than average conduct but that goes against the all-too common meme here that self-satisfaction is all and bugger the children.

  5. Daz says:

    MaryD

    The point isn’t that many many priests have abused children. The point is that an organisation which claims to be the sole interpreter of what is good and moral, and is prepared to fight to have its own ideas on those matters enshrined in secular law, has been shown to have placed itself above the law by covering up those immoral acts; placing its own reputation ahead of the welfare of that of those who it alleges to protect.

    The word we’re looking for here is “hypocritical.”

    Ironic that you should end with the phrase “bugger the children,” isn’t it…

  6. remigius says:

    ‘…because a very few of its priests secretly engaged in homosexual practices with children?’

    When adults rape children it is called paedophilia regardless of the sex of the child or the perpetrator.

    Oh why do we even bother answering this rancid old turd? She seems obsessed with gays, yet blind to the atrocities of the Catholic church.

  7. barriejohn says:

    MaryD can’t offer an opinion on this issue because he/she/it displays ignorance beyond belief, as Remigius has pointed out. Raping children is “homosexual behaviour”! As I pointed out this error only recently, one can only assume that MaryD is another troll that leaves its deposit of bullshit and hastens on to some other site to do the same thing without any intention of reading what anyone else has posted. I would also add that in my opinion the main reason that the RCC is disqualified from commenting on any moral matter is that, quite apart from the evil of covering up priestly abuse, its frame of reference is a two thousand year old book of fairy tales written by an imaginary man who lives in the sky!

  8. David Anderson says:

    I think MaryD is more involved with “self-satisfaction” than any of us realize.

  9. barriejohn says:

    You mean another “master debater”, DA?

  10. Larry Honn says:

    Complicated my ass. You do the right thing. Gay scouts are already of the system. Pretending they are not does not make it so. Get on with it or fold your tent and go home.

  11. Robster says:

    Why on earth does anyone care what a bunch of frustrated old men in nice frocks, red shoes and silly hats have to say? These people are not normal. They really believe in ghosts, fairies, baby jesus’s and lots of really silly stuff. Is it a good thing to expose young open minds to such nonsense? I’d guess not.

  12. Buffy says:

    Catholics seem to be meddling in everything these days. I am surprised, however, that it wasn’t the Mormons. They seem to be the ones who are up to their necks in the BSA.

  13. Trevor Blake says:

    Most BSA members are not Mormons. Most Mormon boys are BSA members. Don’t think for a second that the Mormons aren’t pulling their strings as well. Mormon BSA troops could not be led by black men until the 1970s. Lawsuits were initiated, and hey-presto! God said the Mormons could have black leaders in general. Religion always is against moral change until they are for it, and then they turned out to have been for it all along.

  14. John A says:

    All religious organisations know that it’s easier to indoctrinate adolescents than to wait until their prey reaches adulthood and may have accumulated some common sense. The BSA is one of their prime hunting grounds; if this opportunity is removed, then they might have to wait until adults are feeling weak and vulnerable to pounce. It would be akin to a fisherman having his large nets taken from him, then told he can only use a fishing rod and reel.

  15. 1859 says:

    Not to mention the celibate priests who don’t touch children but who, instead, secretly wank and whip themselves, the priests who have all kinds of twisted and repressed sexual fantasies, the priests who desperately want sexual love and who, consequently, burn with a desire that manifests as weird behaviour; the priests whose sexless exsistance sublimates into rabid, right-wing, bigoted opinions. Mary D, it is not a few priests, the entire RC church is based upon a cruel and corrupt interpretation of human nature.

  16. barriejohn says:

    Buffy: Did you follow the links that I posted?

    There is simply no denying the influence of religion in the Boy Scouts, a group that includes “my duty to God” in its oath. According to the BSA, religious organizations comprise 70 percent of its sponsoring organizations. Mormons, United Methodists and Catholics — the three largest groups — sponsored more than 1 million of the current 2.6 million Scouts in 2011.

    As in other denominations, Mormon officials are “following this proposed policy change very closely. We believe the BSA has acted wisely in delaying its decision until all voices can be heard on this important moral issue,” said Michael Purdy, a spokesman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/religious-sponsors-loom-large-in-boy-scouts-policy-debate/2013/02/06/95a39e1a-70af-11e2-b3f3-b263d708ca37_story.html

  17. Angela_K says:

    MaryD. Just one of many nonces like this “good christian” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-16856090

  18. barriejohn says:

    Bugger me in Bolton, there’s been another “miracle” in this neck of the woods. Details on this page:

    http://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/front_pages/2013/pdf/06at.pdf

    I feel really “blessed” to live in such a hallowed spot!

    (PS The editor of that paper is a complete religious nutcase.)

  19. tony e says:

    barriejohn,

    So someone handed a stolen 5 year old projector in due to the power of prayer?

    Fuck me, but that’s weak, even by their standards.

    Makes the parting of the waves by moses look pretty limp then!

  20. AgentCormac says:

    Bill

    As I am sure you very well know, this has got nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuals trying to ‘force their way into the Boy Socuts’ (sic) and everything to do with individuals like Ryan Andresen being able to live their lives free from the bigoted hate-mongering of people like yourself and MaryD.

    And as for this article having a ‘…NAZI like attitude towards Catholics and ohter Christians.’ Try looking in the mirror you fuckwit. Those who run the RCC have not only behaved like despotic tyrants for centuries, they actually accommodated the Nazis and their Italian counterparts throughout the 1930s and beyond. Furthermore, if persecuting people because of their sexuality doesn’t sound to you like the actions of a fascist organisation, I suggest you start doing some reading and thinking for the first time in your decrepit little life.

  21. barriejohn says:

    Bill: Ryan Adresen is a scout, and not a scout leader. You’re a complete fuckwit!

  22. Stephen Mynett says:

    Has anyone else wondered whether Bill is MaryD’s live-in partner?

  23. David Anderson says:

    Now I have a mental picture of both MaryD and Bill, hoggling furiously over a picture of the rat.

  24. chrsbol says:

    @barriejon
    So when are you visiting Bolton then?

  25. AgentCormac says:

    David Anderson

    Hoggling?

  26. DCBrighton says:

    Talking of the rat, Brighton & Hove Council seem to have their knickers in a twist and have banned an art exhibition called ‘The Pope is Pants’

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10216025.___Banned____art_exhibition_censored_by_the_council/

  27. barriejohn says:

    SM: Surely you’re not suggesting that those two righteous souls might be “living in sin”?

    Chrsbol: Been there, done that, got the Tshirt!

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bz6zj4P0L.jpg

  28. David Anderson says:

    AgentCormac:

    To hoggle; The act of masturbating while thinking angry thoughts about a relative stranger whose views you disagree with.

    Comes from Frank Hoggle who told P.Z. Myers he was doing just that.

  29. barriejohn says:

    Some more encouraging news from the USofA:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/02/07/us-two-of-founders-granddaughters-quit-god-hates-fags-church-and-express-regret/

    You could see how uncomfortable these girls were defending their bigotry when Louis Theroux interviewed them. I understand their feelings well!

  30. AgentCormac says:

    David Anderson

    I was afraid you might say something like that. I wonder if Anne Widdecombe hoggles too? (writer vomits profusely over own shoes)

  31. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Bill you are a total Nong.

    “Why can’t pedophiles quit trying to force their way into the Boy Socuts and form their own organization that encourages paedophile men and under age boys to spend time together?”

    it already exists. Its called the cafflick church.

    Duh.