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Investigation launched over nurse who allegedly told a family to put their trust in Allah

THE Chief Executive of a London hospital  – Averil Dongworth – has told media that an investigation would be launched “as a matter of urgency” after a Muslim couple – Murad Ali and Tamseel Fatimah – were told by a nurse that faith in Allah was the answer to their daughter’s serious medical problem.

Murad Ali with his wife Tamseel Fatimah and children Yaaseen Murad, left, and Sanam Murad. Photo: Romford Recorder

Murad Ali with his wife Tamseel Fatimah and children Yaaseen Murad, left, and Sanam Murad. Photo: Romford Recorder

According to this report, Sanam Murad, aged 2, had been taken by ambulance to the Romford hospital with respiratory problems last December.

Ali, 39, said his daughter was in obvious “respiratory distress” but staff at the emergency unit – which was this month found by a watchdog to be compromising patients’ safety – tried to send her home.

He claims the couple were told by staff the hospital was “short of doctors”.

Sanam was eventually moved onto children’s wards for treatment, where her condition continued to worsen.

Suddenly I saw my daughter turning blue with froth coming from her mouth, I shouted at the [nurses’] counter about her condition. At this, one of the nurses on duty  told me to be a good Muslim and leave the control to Allah.

He added:

The nurse said she was Muslim. I am a Muslim but I do not expect a nurse to say this when my daughter needs medical help. It’s not professional.

Sanam was stabilised by senior doctors before being transferred to Great Ormond Street Hospital, in central London, where she spent two days in intensive care.

Ali said the “lack of compassion, ignorance towards the parents’ concern [and] lack of enthusiasm” by some staff had put his daughter’s “life at risk”.

Hat tip: Stephen Mynett & BarrieJohn

33 Responses to “Investigation launched over nurse who allegedly told a family to put their trust in Allah”

  1. AgentCormac says:

    There is a very simple answer to this ongoing problem whereby a physician’s faith in the supernatural conflicts with his or her requirement to provide assistance to someone who is in serious need of medical attention: do not allow the fucker to get into that position in the first place. Ever. Ask them at interview stage if their belief in superstitious claptrap could in any way, shape or form preclude them from giving aid to someone who needs it. And if they admit that their devotion to iron-age fairy stories is likely to override their ability to do a job upon which the lives of others depends, then do not hire them. In fact, do everyone a favour by circulating their appalling inadequacies on all major professional networking sites, such as LinkedIn.

  2. Stonyground says:

    The problem is that you are then discriminating against them and infringing their human rights.

    As Hitchens said, religion poisons everything. It would be hard to imagine how the principles of equality and human rights could possibly end up being a negative force in human relations. Enter the religiots, totally determined to assert their own rights, while totally determined to ignore everyone elses.

  3. Angela_K says:

    This should set alarm bells ringing about the dangers of religious belief but it won’t, the cultural relativists and religious apologists will ensure of that. So, as more religious nutters worm their way into positions of power in the health service, we shall no doubt see more of this. We’ve already had catholic Doctors and Pharmacists refusing contraception and people of various religions refusing to have anything to do with Gays, abortion or anything they think their imaginary friends don’t like. These are indeed dangerous times.

  4. Angela_K says:

    Oh for an edit! that should read “….refusing to prescribe…”

  5. Stephen Mynett says:

    Angela, I often think the cultural relativists are as, sometime more, dangerous than the fundies and nutbar religionists. A lot of the religionists look stupid enough for most people to see through them but along come the apologists and CRs to say we should be nice to them and understand their weird and dangerous ideas.

    A little off topic, but on the contraception angle, Joachim Miessner, the archtwat of Cologne has been whingeing in Die Zeit about catholicophobia.

  6. Daz says:

    i·mam
    /i?mäm/
    Noun
    The person who leads prayers in a mosque.

    nurse
    /n?rs/
    Noun
    A person trained to care for the sick or infirm, esp. in a hospital.

    Yep, I can see how easy it would be to confuse one’s job description…

  7. Daz says:

    Feck! Oh for an edit function!

  8. L.Long says:

    I think the irony is awesome. The kid’s religidot parents get upset because another religidiot tells then to have faith in the religious BS the religidiots say they believe in!!!
    This just goes to show that the religidiots don’t really believe their own BS but just want others to believe it.
    I feel sorry for the kid because when it gets better it has nothing but religidiot BS brainwashing to look forward to.
    And since it is a girl she can probably expect to have acid thrown at her or victim of an honor killing or at best get an arranged marriage—you know keeping marriage biblical or is it koranical?

  9. barriejohn says:

    Daz: Do you have a definition for “Muslim”?

    L.Long: It’s the same old story. Faith is all you need until trouble comes along, and then you have to call for the cavalry. It’s one of the reasons that I eventually said: “Bullshit!”.

  10. John A says:

    So true guys; as they say, when push comes to shove it’s better to have helping hands than preying lips. Especially when the hands have been through medical school and have been scientifically assessed as competent. The Moslem nurse should be struck off and told to get a job in Saudi; with her attitude she should do quite well out there.

  11. Marky Mark says:

    I think this event proves the narcissism of the personalities of religious folks. This woman (I won’t call her a Nurse) was willing to let that poor child die because of here belief. When actually, in her mind, since she has never suffered like that she must be a better person than the child…so let the child die, as she MUST be bad and defiantly lesser than her in her deity’s mind.
    No different than the many who believe that people born with disabilities deserve it since they are being punished for not being faithful…which means, give the church more money.

  12. David Anderson says:

    Slightly off topic but relevant, I think, is the case of Malala Yousafzai. She says she is recovering because of god and prayers, the very thing that got her shot in the first place. No mention of medical science and the skilled doctors at Birmingham’s Q.E. hospital.

    Don’t get me wrong, I wish the very best for her and her future recovery but she is clever enough and old enough to understand by now that there is no future for her or any other female in any Islamic country.

    If Murad Ali and Tamseel Fatimah don’t understand the danger of their ignorant cult now, perhaps they never will.

  13. RabbitOnAStick says:

    I am surprised they are so angry at this.

    “leave the control to Allah.”

    What is the problem. I agree entirely. Aller [and gawd and ken] can provide everything including medical care. He is everywhere. And watches over all good mus-lambs. Even in hospital. Oh! I guess aller put the child there in the first place by making the illness. [And I feel for the little child].

    There is a silver lining.
    I can see a great way to save billions in tax on the NHS. Have two separate hospitals & doctors etc. One for the sane and one for the insane.

    One set of [witch] doctors for all these cretins, there can be different faith ones joo, mus-lamb and those worshiping ken, and a proper set for the sane population.

    I am absolutely sure that the insane-religious hospitals would be fill to brimming with their ill – just like that witches ‘hospice’ mother Terrible, where the godly had such care and humanity before they died. [Read Hitchens it is excellent].

    Moreover look at the savings in tax, the care etc would be so cheap as the insane don’t need expensive atheist medicines or equipment. They can just pray and have their fellow insanity merchants ‘help’ them, provide care – even if it’s necessary etc. Also the [witch] doctors don’t even need to go through medical school as aller gawd Ken is taking care of them all. Just like they say they will. In their pamphlets.

  14. barriejohn says:

    DA: “She says she is recovering because of god and prayers, the very thing that got her shot in the first place.” Precisely. Brainwashing, plain and simple. She is highly intelligent and independent-minded but can’t think any other way, which is why they want them young!

    RAOS: Have you ever read the following, repronted from Stern magazine? (I have posted it here bedfore.)

    http://www.srai.org/mother-teresa-where-are-her-millions/

  15. Stephen Mynett says:

    DA: The footballer Fabrice Muamba did the same thing after his heart attack, thanked god and everyone for their prayers but only seemed to thank the cardiologists and nursing staff as an afterthought. Totally brainwashed, ignorant and selfish.

    BJ: Hitchens Missionary Position is a good read as well for info about the lieing, thieving Albanian dwarf.

  16. Matt Westwood says:

    “… Malala Yousafzai. She says she is recovering because of god and prayers, …”

    It is worth wondering how much of what she says she means, or whether she is deliberately being accommodationist in order not to alienate the majority of the population of her homeland – whose support she would do well not to belittle.

  17. Matt Westwood says:

    @L.Long: “I think the irony is awesome. The kid’s religidot parents get upset because another religidiot tells then to have faith in the religious BS the religidiots say they believe in!!!”

    It’s probably a little unfair to call the parents “religidiots” – they may be run-of-the-mill secularly nominally-muslim. Translate this into xtian language:

    “The nurse said she was Christian. I am a Christian too (translate: nominal Christian) but I do not expect a nurse to say this when my daughter needs medical help. It’s not professional.”

    and only the most socially intolerant atheist would call him a “religidiot”.

  18. Angela_K says:

    RoaS. Excellent idea. When asking for medical treatment the cathoics/muslims/christians etc should be refused on the grounds that their god wouldn’t approve of evil atheist science being used to cure them. The religious idiots would very soon, most certainly discover that prayer doesn’t work.

    My late Mum trained as a nurse back in the late 40’s and early ’50’s when you did a sort of “apprenticeship” lasting about 3 or 4 years. This training, along with her seeing bloodied and broken humans – in particular when working in A&E – cured her of the religion that she was taught as a child.

  19. Har Davids says:

    RabbitOnAStick, have this plan implemented asap. Not only will it save loads of money, it might cull the insanely religious in the end. Win-win for all.

    As for Malala Yousafzai: it’s sad she’s so indoctrinated she can’t see she was shot because she was defying her religion by wanting an education that seems to be wasted on her. I’m sure she would have died if not for modern science; some of the people who saved her life might even be (gasp) not religious at all.

  20. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Barriejohn yes did read that.

    But as Stephen Mynett points out that is the book Missionary Position i was referring to. Hitchens on Mother Terrorist-Terrible.

    His book on another terrorist, Henry kissinger is also worth a read.

    It is very important to realise that despite Hitchens having passed away, if he had told lies or written such spurious matter in his books, not only would they not have been published, but he [and by default] his estate would have been – continue to be – sued for ‘damages’ by those so offended.

    Hamdullah.

  21. barriejohn says:

    RAOS: As one of the commenters here points out, he was going to title his book Sacred Cow but thought that in bad taste. A rare lapse of judgment from the great Hitch, I feel!

    http://atheistmovies.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/christopher-hitchens-missionary.html

  22. barriejohn says:

    PS Mother Teresa and Henry Kissinger were both worthy winners of the Nobel Peace Prize – hahahahaha!!!!!

  23. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Barriejohn

    Funny indeed isn’t that !

    Interesting that she herself did express that she was worried her prayers were never answered. And I got the impression she – like a lot of religious nuts – was frightened of death.

    What I find odd is the banal stupidity of clinging to that behaviour despite the lack of clear evidence from a gawd.

    Its a bit like the joos thinking there is a gawd after the holocaust. I mean. Thats real faith but to me absolutely inexplicable in a rational and logical way.

  24. barriejohn says:

    Many believers have very serious doubts. When I was a young Christian I was told time and time again that “It’s a good thing to have doubts” but no one ever explained why. Someone in the Gospels is supposed to have said to Jesus: “Lord, I believe – help thou mine unbelief!”. These words are extremely popular amongst fundamentalist Christians, which tells you all you need to know!

  25. barriejohn says:

    I believe that Mother Teresa died unhappy and doubting everything that she had once believed. I certainly hope so! There are many reports similar to this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-lalli/mother-teresas-doubts_1_b_63376.html

  26. RabbitOnAStick says:

    the incredible suffering she caused to people who really needed help. All those children. Their pathetic lives wasted. Hopelessness personified.

    Yes BJ I agree. I hope she’s in hell. she deserves to be.

  27. David Anderson says:

    Hitch, from the Nation 1997 about Agnes Bojaxhiu;

    “Here is a woman who has already achieved canonization. This state of living sainthood might be defined as the miraculous condition of having all your actions judged by your reputation, instead of your reputation by your actions.”

    How I miss the voice and writings of Hitch.

  28. RabbitOnAStick says:

    Exactly.

    Give a lie 24 hours head start and it will take 100 years to overcome it.

    Religion.

  29. asquith says:

    Because Allah’s doing such a fucking great job curing polio in Nigeria without the help of kuffar vaccines, eh?

  30. Broga says:

    So Mother Theresa had doubts! Of course, she did. How could she not? The Pope has doubts, the Archbishop of Canterbury has doubts, all the priests have doubts. However, with a comfortable life and an element of fame they are going to keep quiet about them. The attacks on atheists is by other atheists or agnostics. The latter cloak themselves in religiosity.

  31. Marky Mark says:

    (Malala Yousafzai. She says she is recovering because of god and prayers,)
    …I was thinking the same thing when I seen it on the news. Doesn’t she realize it was because of religion she was shot in the first place?

  32. Matt Westwood says:

    @Marky Mark: as I suggested earlier, I’m prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt and suppose Malala said what she did for political reasons. Also, bear in mind that when all’s said and done she’s still a teenage girl, and that’s a demographic noted for its disdain for scientific intellectual rigor.

  33. Don says:

    I agree with Matt. It makes no sense to criticise tese parents or to stereotype them as caring little for female children when the only evidence we have is to the contrary.

    This case seems to be a mirror image of the cases we too often hear about in the Sttes. Religiously beleving parents have a sick child. Medical staff urge treatment but parents insist faith is enough. Result usually bad.

    Here it is the religiously believing parents who want proper medical treatment and medical staff saying faith is enough. Parents call bullshit and get the right result. Good for them.