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SNAP names ‘Dirty Dozen’ Cardinals; Vatican snaps back ‘mind your own damn business’

SNAP – the US-based organisation that supports victims of clerical sexual abuse – has issued a list of cardinals it said would be the worst candidates for pope based on their handling of child sex abuse claims or their public comments about the cases.

When asked about the SNAP list, the Rev Federico Lombardi, a spokesman for the Vatican, told CNN:

We believe it is not up to SNAP to decide who comes to conclave and who is chosen. … cardinals can decide themselves without asking SNAP for advice.

Timothy Dolan is one of SNAP' 'Dirty Dozen'

Timothy Dolan is one of SNAP’ ‘Dirty Dozen’

And Joseph Zwelling, a spokesman for Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, who is on  SNAP’s “Dirty Dozen” list, said:

I’m not going to respond to this group which has little to no credibility.

The two other US cardinals on the list are Sean O’Malley of Boston and Donald Wuerl of Washington, DC. The others listed are Leonardo Sandri of Argentina, George Pell of Australia, Marc Ouellet of Canada, Dominik Duka of the Czech Republic, Peter Turkson of Ghana, Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras, Tarcisio Bertone and Angelo Scola of Italy, and Norberto Rivera Carrera of Mexico, the group said.

But not all of them are linked to alleged coverups of sexual abuse, SNAP said. Some were placed on the list because of their public remarks related to the abuse scandal.

The Catholic Church has been rocked by a series of child sex abuse scandals in recent years – and the new pope will be under pressure to deal more effectively with a crisis that has shaken public confidence in the church.

SNAP says it’s vital to look at how the world’s bishops have handled claims of abuse by priests because the crisis is far from over. A statement on SNAP’s website said:

This scandal, we believe, has yet to surface in most nations … Clergy sex crimes and coverups remain deeply hidden in the vast majority of nations (where most Catholics live), and has really only become widely known – and barely addressed – in the US about a decade ago and in a few European countries even more recently.

Hat tip: BarrieJohn

29 Responses to “SNAP names ‘Dirty Dozen’ Cardinals; Vatican snaps back ‘mind your own damn business’”

  1. Mike Hood says:

    “I’m not going to respond to this group which has little to no credibility.” Said Joseph Zwelling, a spokesman for Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

    Do you think the Vatican will object to others borrowing this quote, and using it against the conclave?

  2. David McNerney says:

    The Vatican is absolutely correct it is none of SNAP’s business which cardinals the church uses to appoint its leaders.

    However, it’s choice of cardinals will clearly delineate it as either a genuine group that cares about the needs of human beings or simply a paedophile ring.

    And that is everyone’s business…

  3. Har Davids says:

    The Vatican is correct, of course, but the real problem is with the faithful who are, supposedly, represented by this bunch and endorse everything they do by staying mum.

  4. Broga says:

    The mind boggling effrontery of this bunch (I refer to all the Cardinals) would be incredible if we were not witnessing it. They are infested with paedophiles and those who hide paedophiles or speak in support of them. A judicious humility might be expected. Yet they continue dismissing other groups, even those who have suffered at their hands, and continue as if they had not been exposed for their perversions. It will be instructive if one of the named group becomes Pope.

  5. AgentCormac says:

    2,000 years of having it all their own way has resulted in an arrogance that will harm the RCC more than it clearly knows. The works has moved on in so many ways and the vatican hasn’t. To borrow a biblical saying, the writing is increasingly on the wall for this bunch of crooks. They just don’t seem to have noticed.

  6. stokebruernehuman says:

    I hope the next pope is the very worst of the bunch so that the whole execrable edifice can inflict upon itself the demise it so richly deserves.

  7. Marky Mark says:

    More of their despicable slander the victim strategy.

  8. Trevor Blake says:

    You have to consult exceptionally obscure news sources such as the British Broadcasting Company (or “BBC” ) to find out that Pope John XXII established Crimine Solicitaciones in 1962 as official Church doctrine, and that the Crimine Solicitaciones orders clergy rape victims to be silent and rapist clergy be moved to a new parish.

    Don’t worry, I’ve found all these difficult to locate news sources and compiled them for you in an essay that’s been online for years. It’s only been since 1962 that this was in place, and it’s only available for free on the internet, so if the Catholic laity haven’t heard of it then there’s no wonder.

    http://ovo127.com/2009/08/02/trevor-blake-an-open-letter-to-amnesty-international/

  9. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: There seems no end to the child sexual abuse. Every time the RC Church tries to turn away another wave of abuse engulfs them. What covers a “multitude of sins” is the term child sexual abuse. This has become so routine that it tends not to be examined as to what is happening. I noticed in the BBC report that a 10 year old said, “He performed sexual acts on me and I performed sexual acts on him.” These took place in different places. Presumably where the paedophile priest found a conveniently private place.

    But what was happening to that 10 year old and I think he said he was abused till he was 14. I assume fellatio was being performed. Perhaps anal penetration either penile or manual. What would be the effect on public opinion if instead of what has become the routine term “child sexual abuse” the details of the act were made public? Seems has if the Scottish story has some way to go.

  10. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: There seems no end to the child sexual abuse. Every time the RC Church tries to turn away another wave of abuse engulfs them. What covers a “multitude of sins” is the term child sexual abuse. This has become so routine that it tends not to be examined as to what is happening. I noticed in the BBC report that a 10 year old said, “He performed sexual acts on me and I performed sexual acts on him.” These took place in different places. Presumably where the paedophile priest found a conveniently private place.

    But what was happening to that 10 year old and I think he said he was abused till he was 14. I assume fellatio was being performed. Perhaps anal penetration either penile or manual. What would be the effect on public opinion if instead of what has become the routine term “child sexual abuse” the details of the act were made public? Seems as if the Scottish story has some way to go.

  11. tony e says:

    “I’m not going to respond to this group which has little to no credibility.” Only a priest could have have came out with such a crass statement.

  12. AgentCormac says:

    barriejohn & Broga

    Yet another revelation that tells us just how despicable those who run the RCC really are. I was, however,, gob-smacked by the following quote in the BBC article:

    ” “The Church sent its file to the Vatican in July last year and now awaits a decision.”

    So, the top brass knew about this eight months ago and has done absolutely nothing whatsoever about it. Glad to see the amazing ‘guidelines’ for dealing with abuse which the likes of Cardinal Sean Brady and, of course, Bill Donohue constantly big up are SO feckin’ effective!

    Evil bastards one and all.

  13. barriejohn says:

    Tony & AC: How dare these people “smear papal candidates”. If it wasn’t so serious it would be laughable!

    http://www.catholicleague.org/snap-is-in-panic-mode/

  14. Stonyground says:

    Regarding the Writing on the Wall. As I recall, a disembodied hand, believed by those present at one of the King’s wild parties to be the hand of God, wrote some gibberish on the wall in an unknown language. The King’s wise men were baffled, so Daniel was wheeled in to translate it. It does not seem to have occurred to anyone, either at the time or at any time since, that as nobody had a clue what it said, then either the King’s wise men or Daniel himself could have just made something up. Either way, what Daniel came up with, RCC cardinals take note, was, “Your kingdom has been weighed in the balance and found wanting”.

  15. AgentCormac says:

    barriejohn

    The apologist Donohue is a truly wretched and abhorrent excuse for a human being. Far from hanging his head in shame for the crimes his beloved church has committed, far from begging forgiveness for his religion’s betrayal of the trust that innocent children placed in it, he gloats (yes, gloats) that the victims of the sexual violation inflicted by catholic priests are somehow ‘running out of steam’. Way to go, Bill! That’s worth celebrating, you hateful, hateful piece of shit!

    He also crows that ‘SNAP’s best days are behind it’. And declares that the victims ‘lie’. How low can a human being actually go? How fucked up in the head and heart do you have to be to side with the very worst people on the planet, excuse their crimes and then actually try to denigrate those who have suffered at their hands?

    Donohue, to my mind, redefines what it means to be utterly, abjectly pitiless.

  16. Stonyground says:

    @Trevor Blake
    I am saddened by the fact that both Western governments, and our mainstream media, are too spineless to take the RCC to task for their criminal activities. That an organisation like Amnesty International, with a well deserved reputation for being bold and fearless about speaking truth to power, have shown themselves afraid to speak out against the RCC, is truly depressing. Still, we now have the internet. The mainstream media are rapidly becoming more and more irrelevant, there is hope.

  17. barriejohn says:

    AC: “The homosexual abuse scandal ended almost three decades ago”. Talk about a parallel universe!

  18. AgentCormac says:

    Indeed, barriejohn. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the way Donhue’s brain works actually turned out to be a complete mystery to his own maker. ‘Denial’ is a word Donohue clearly does not understand. He is an emotional and logical retard.

  19. Grouchodawg says:

    @ Trevor

    That is a fucking scary letter. I had respect for John XXIII as a progressive pope. As he said, I want to open the windows of the church and let in some fresh air. JPII closed them and B16 bricked them up. I’ve lost that respect if what you say is true.

  20. tony e says:

    @barriejohn, AC,

    I struggle to understand Donohue. Whilst I applaud anyone who champions a cause, there has to be a point where, if that cause is wrong at a global level, the scales must fall from their eyes.

    With Donohue, somewhat bizarrely, not only does he refuse to acknowledge what everyone can see. He actually becomes more and more rabid and nasty.

    I’m sure someone with a psychology degree could explain him, but I am at a loss.

  21. DCBrighton says:

    Broga,

    You make an interesting point about the generic term ‘sexual abuse of children’. Perhaps it is time to get graphic about what actually happened to these children.

    Ie, instead of the priest ‘sexually abused the child’ the priest ‘raped the 10 year old boys anus with his tongue’ instead of the priest ‘sexually abused the child’ the priest ‘thrust 3 fingers into the 12 year old boy’s sphincter as he masturbated’.
    Why soften up the reality of what happened to these kids.

  22. barriejohn says:

    Tony: He’s been brainwashed – and some of it is down to self-hypnosis as well. I know as an ex-victim.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9918880/Scottish-priests-out-of-control-sexually-says-former-abuse-adviser.html

    How much more to come out about this? No wonder O’Brien legged it!

  23. barriejohn says:

    Great jokes from this week’s Private Eye*.

    Savile pictured with O’Brien: “Let us prey”

    “Of course Patrick, you don’t actually have to banish the snakes! Moving them from parish to parish should suffice”

    “Oh no! A cupboard full of non-specific concerns…”

    (*Available from all good bookshops – and W H Smith)

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