Ding dong, DOMA’s dead; let the bells peal and the bigots squeal

Ding dong, DOMA’s dead; let the bells peal and the bigots squeal

THE US Supreme Court’s decision late last month to strike down a key section of the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was met, as one would expect, with outpourings of fury and grief from those on the Christian right.

Sample 1: Michael Marcavage of the Philadelphia-based evangelistic ministry Repent America called the ruling:

An act of high treason against the holy, Most High God.

The imbecile added:

The reason why Christians fought to oppose attempts to redefine the Biblical institution of marriage is because we love God and our neighbor. We love children and don’t want them to be raised in a nation that teaches them that it is permissible to live however one pleases. If God is not the standard of absolute truth, then who is?

Romans 13 declares that those in civil government are to be ministers of God for good, not evil. Despite the court’s ruling, it is not — and never will be — a marriage before God, but only a mirage.

Sample 2 – Rusty Thomas of Elijah Ministries in Waco, Texas likewise condemned the decision as being an offence against God.

Our nation’s rulers keep poking their fingers in the eye of our holy God and they are going to find out the hard way that the Supreme Court is not supreme. There is a court above them, where every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Texas wacko: Rusty Thomas

Texas wacko: Rusty Thomas

Sample 3 – Joe Glover of  the  Family Policy Network in Forest, Virginia:

Even though our political leaders may reject Him and defy Him, God is the ultimate sovereign wherefrom all authority is derived. Even in the wake of such an offensive and immoral Supreme Court decision, the Christian’s primary duty has not changed … We] will continue to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and unbelieving nation. We will do so on every battle front, including that of homosexuality.

Amidst all this wailing and gnashing of teeth, a number of church’s sounded their  bells in celebration of the decision. For almost an hour the National Cathedral in Washington, DC pealed its bells. Its Dean, Gary Hall issued a statement praising the court.

We are ringing our bells at the Cathedral to celebrate the extension of federal marriage equality to all the same-sex couples modeling God’s love in lifelong covenants. Our prayers for continued happiness are with them and with all couples who will be joined in matrimony in the years to come, whether at Washington National Cathedral or elsewhere.

The Washington Ringing Society pealed the bells in the “Gloria in Excelsis” central tower, as did Episcopalians, Methodists and Presbyterians in the city.

An immediate effect of the court ruling was notice given to a married gay couple in Florida that they no longer face being separated because one of them is not a US citizen. Julian Marsh and Traian Povov’s green card approval is the first such approval ever has been granted in the United States.

Julian Marsh, left, and Traian Povov

Julian Marsh, left, and Traian Povov

The DOMA Project, whose lawyers represent the couple, said that this was:

The first time in US history a marriage-based green card petition filed by a gay couple has been approved.

Marsh — a popular DJ in the gay dance scene — and Popov, who live in Fort Lauderdale, were married in New York in October 2012 because Florida has a constitutional amendment banning same-sex couples from marrying. Marsh had applied for a green card for Popov, who is from Bulgaria, before the Supreme Court had ruled on whether the Defense of Marriage Act’s ban on the federal government recognizing gay couples’ marriages was constitutional.

Although such green card petitions have previously been denied, the Obama administration had been avoiding ruling on such requests as the challenges to section 3 of DOMA made their way through the courts.

But, following the Supreme Court ruling striking down section 3 of DOMA as unconstitutional, The DOMA Project announced that Marsh’s green card petition for his husband had been approved by United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) just two days after the court ruling.

Lavi Soloway, the couple’s lawyer and a founder of The DOMA Project, said:

The approval of this petition demonstrates that the Obama administration’s commitment to recognizing same-sex couples’ marriages after the Supreme Court ruling is now a reality on the ground. We expect additional approvals of green card applications and petitions in the coming days.

Marsh and Popov met March 5, 2011, at a friend’s party. Within a week, they met again at another friend’s house and began dating shortly thereafter. Said Marsh:

I met him, I fell in love, and that was it.

Soloway added:

It is symbolically very important that this first petition that was approved comes for a couple that lives in Florida, a state that has a constitutional ban preventing same-sex couples from marrying. This shows the effect of the DOMA ruling for immigration purposes will extend to couples, no matter where they live, so long as they have a valid marriage license.

(See video report here)

25 responses to “Ding dong, DOMA’s dead; let the bells peal and the bigots squeal”

  1. mikespeir says:

    “Romans 13 declares that those in civil government are to be ministers of God for good, not evil”

    The guy doesn’t know his own Bible. It doesn’t say that those in civil government are TO BE ministers of God. It says that those in civil government ARE ministers of God. That changes the texture of the thing entirely.

  2. remigius says:

    Why do The Gays always have those nasty little yappy things?

    Get a proper dog – like a Labrador.

  3. Broga says:

    @remigius: Yo! The Labrador, than which there is no better dog.

    Daft question, but why the hell don’t the Christionuts just leave people alone to get on with their lives and Christians can do the same with theirs? If their God needs defending by the religious right he has serious problems.

  4. barriejohn says:

    @mikespeir: That’s what I keep pointing out.

    “Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but of God; the powers that be are ordained of God. Whoever therefore resists the power, resists the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” (Romans 13: 1-2)

    It couldn’t be any bloody clearer!

  5. The Woggler says:

    If their God needs defending by the religious right he has serious problems.

    If he allows himself to be defended by these thugs, he’s not worth defending.

  6. Broga says:

    @The Woggler: Yup. That’s an improvement. There is, of course, nothing to be defended except a sick fantasy.

  7. Irreverend Bastard says:

    “An act of high treason against the holy, Most High God.”

    Does that mean that there are other, not-quite-so-high gods? So, how do you measure “highness” amongst gods? Explain to me how your measuring stick is better than mine. Because when I read the bible, Satan comes out rather better than murderous old Yahweh.

  8. The Woggler says:

    Irreverend Bastard – Satan may be a bit evil, but at least he’s honest. Unlike the other guy.

  9. barriejohn says:

    Irreverend Bastard:

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)

    That’s the New Testament view, but certainly in the Old Testament YHWH was the greatest amongst many gods (“Thou shalt have no other gods before me” palpably doesn’t mean: “You mustn’t worship material things”, as Christians would have us believe!).

  10. barriejohn says:

    Oh, dear – I meant “patently”, not “palpably”!

  11. Trevor Blake says:

    Suggestions for Mr. Marcavage:

    For “the Biblical institution of marriage” see 1 Kings 11:2-3.

    For “If God is not the standard of absolute truth, then who is?” see 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

    For “those in civil government are to be ministers of God for good, not evil” see Romans 13:1 (the very verse you quote, but try reading it this time).

  12. Barry Duke says:

    Speaking of Satan, this actually made me laugh out loud:

    After banging on about how much he deplores “exaggerations, scandal-mongering and sensationalism” in the press, the Moderator of the Presbyterian Church of Ghana, Prof Emmanuel Martey, claimed that The Satanic Gays are plotting to have the country “destroyed” by infiltrating its government.

  13. JohnMWhite says:

    If God is not the standard of absolute truth, then who is?” (emphasis added)

    The problem with the Abrahamic religions in a single sentence: they are pure authoritarians. They cannot envision a world where truth, justice, morality and other such things are concepts in themselves and not simply the whims of somebody bigger and more powerful.

    They’re also compulsive liars, incapable of expressing anything remotely true about their faith or their holy book, because the absolute truth is that the biblical tradition of marriage is polygamy, with a dash of concubines, and completely contradictory orders about whether or not you are supposed to marry your brother’s widow. Why aren’t they demanding that the government stop that sort of thing?

  14. barriejohn says:

    You have to be sure that you are worshipping the biggest and bestest god in the whole wide universe:

  15. Robster says:

    Another glowing example of just how useless and powerless this god/jesus/spook thing is. This ‘all powerful’, ‘able to whip up the universe in a week’ god can’t even influence a courtroom. Jees, you’d think with all this prayerful, worshipful wailing the believers carry on with that their preferred ‘god’ would do as asked. Didn’t the baby jesus say in the bible that if you believe, god will answer the prayer? He did apparently according to the goatherders that made the thing up. Suggests to me it’s all lies and silly nonsense.

  16. 1859 says:

    I wonder what the bible would have been like if Raold Dahl had written it? ‘God and the Chocolate Factory’…hummm..

  17. barriejohn says:

    Polls in the USA show increasing support for equal rights. My suspicion is that many Americans have for years toed a more conservative line for various reasons, but are now prepared to take a different view. I hope I am right, as that would bode well for the future.

  18. Matt+Westwood says:

    @barriejohn: is the suggestion being made that Americans tend to be, shall we say, politically timid?

  19. barriejohn says:

    Matt: Like children gingerly dipping their toes in the ocean for the first time! The comments are interesting:

    #It’s odd that they haven’t noticed that neither country-wide marriage equality (for 10 years by now) nor a social health care system has sent Canada to hell — and they are so close!

    #Unfortunately you speak a great truth! Many (respectfully not all) Americans know little of the rest of the world until they live or travel extensively outside the US.

    As a Canadian, it is not unheard of for US media to have on occasion referred to our Provinces as States, or to our “President” Harper…. which speaks volumes about the knowledge of some regarding their northern neighbor.

  20. David Anderson says:

    MaryD must be spitting feathers.

  21. Daz says:

    Comment by Linda Turanchik under the linked article kinda shows what those who don’t have to worry about PR think:

    FYI….the Episcopal Church in America is definitely apostate, however world wide The Anglican Communion is not….Africa especially.

    “Africa” being all one huge country, one assumes the refers to repeated attempts to bring in the death penalty and suchlike “love the sinner, hate the sin” approaches to “the homosexual problem.”

  22. Jim Krugh says:

    HUH,….I never realized there was a homosexual problem.

    Maybe in your eyes, BJ.

  23. barriejohn says:

    Here’s another one!

    The Vatican’s most senior American has forcefully condemned the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, saying it will lead to violence, death, and the eventual destruction of the nation’s culture.

    Cardinal Raymond Burke, who heads the Apostolic Signatura, the Church’s equivalent to a Supreme Court, told Newsmax the decision “is one more step down a path which is destructive.”

    “The lack of respect for the good order which God has placed in nature, especially human nature, will lead to violence,” he said. “It will lead to death for individuals and eventually it will destroy our culture.”

  24. barriejohn says:

    Jim Krugh: ?

    I’ve just seen the comments appended to that last link of mine:


    Have the People seen what Putin signed into law …. Ban on gay propaganda. Where are the cohones of the Americans? Stop letting this evil government trample on our rights. Look at Egypt, right now ….. millions in the street to throw morsi out on his a** or they will kill him. I think the latter will happen. Lets rally and protest all across America …. 80 million strong to take back our Great Country! Throw these liberal P’sOS out of office. Their progressive agenda is about all we can take!
    Lets organize and prepare and set a date. Use all forms of communication and round up Conservative Americans!

    He does realize, I take it, that Morsi represents the Muslim Brotherhood, and that the demonstrators are opposed to theocratic conservatism – doh!