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Texas mega-church learns the hard way that God alone is a useless defence against disease

THE 1,500-member Eagle Mountain International Church in northeast Tarrant County, Texas, has an “ambivalent” attitude towards modern medicine and many of its congregants use “alternative medicine” and choose not to immunise their children.

The result?  An outbreak of measles in Tarrant County which then spread to neighboring Denton County, where five new cases were reported. A total of 20 cases has so far been recorded.

Measles can lead to serious conditions such as deafness and blindness and can, in rare circumstances, lead to death.

Measles can lead to serious conditions such as deafness and blindness and can, in rare circumstances, lead to death.

All the cases have been traced to the church, and the outbreak appears to have occurred within a group of families that had chosen not to get vaccinated, officials said.

Almost 98 percent of students in Texas are vaccinated against the measles when they enter kindergarten, a state requirement for public and private schools, according to the state health department. But about one percent of students obtain “conscientious exemptions” for all vaccinations.

In this outbreak, all the infected children in Tarrant County were being home-schooled, said Al Roy, a spokesman for the health department.

The measles outbreak originated from a man who travelled to Indonesia on a mission trip where he was exposed to the infectious disease.

Upon his return, he visited the Eagle Mountain church, which is about 50 miles northwest of Dallas. The church’s risk manager, Robert Hayes, said the man, who was not a member of the church, shook hands and gave hugs to many others.

Dr Karen Smith, who runs her own medical practice and the Eagle Mountain church clinic, said church leaders do not vocalize a position on immunisations.

Ambivalent is a good word. No one forbids it and I think the congregation varies widely.

Health officials across North Texas expressed frustration that such a highly contagious disease had found its way into a group that appeared to be unvaccinated by choice.

Said Zachary Thompson, director of Dallas County Health and Human Services

We have been worried about these pockets of people out there, especially children, who were not getting immunised. We’re seeing the reality of what that means in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

The church released a statement confirming the measles outbreak among its congregants:

The ministry has held free immunisations clinics for employees and church members to assist them in obtaining the best medical care for their families. We continue to follow up on pending and confirmed cases to help in any way we can to keep the outbreak contained. We ask that others join with us in prayer over this outbreak, and we believe that God is moving on behalf of each affected family.

 

34 Responses to “Texas mega-church learns the hard way that God alone is a useless defence against disease”

  1. I visit my doctor and the waiting room is filled with those who claim god and prayer alone cures disease and illness. What Pharisee liars they all are. I always challenge every Pharisee to follow the religion they claim to believe in and forgo doctors, planning for the morrow aka a job since Jesus commands to give no thought for the morrow. What total BS!

    Even the Amish will use electricity in their businesses! Total BS.

  2. Matt+Westwood says:

    Richest and most technologically advanced nation and society in history, and riddled with superstition on a scale unparalleled.

    No different from what we’ve had in the UK, whereas here the superstition is that if you take the MMR vaccine your kids will grew up autistic.

    Stoopid stoopid stoopid.

  3. barriejohn says:

    I found that many of the Plymouth Brethren refused to have their children vaccinated, stating that this would be interfering with the will of God for their families. Naturally, all sorts of other arguments were brought out in support of their position! Look at this site for examples:

    http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

    Vaccinations, not proven to prevent disease, result in death and mental and physical injury. According to Registered Dog Breeder, Ashleigh Oulton in Australia, animal populations become sterile after many generations of being vaccinated. This is arguably genocide depending upon the intent behind the policy.

  4. Broga says:

    “We ask that others join with us in prayer over this outbreak, and we believe that God is moving on behalf of each affected family.”

    Well, isn’t that just so typical. They ask their omniscient God, with his record of savagery detailed in their bible, to change his mind. Then they “believe” that God is “moving” on behalf of affected families. The latter sentence being the usual claptrap spouted to satisfy the gullible. Where is the evidence for results from prayer?

  5. Michael says:

    Stop messing about with the Lords creation. If God had meant us to be well he wouldn’t have created disease in the first place now would he.

  6. barriejohn says:

    Vaccines are contrary to God’s protocols for health. They are unnatural, toxic blood contaminants and they are being pushed by a demonic force in an effort to attack and contaminate the blood of man, which, as the Bible records, is the life of the flesh (Lev. 17:11). Vaccines are not designed to protect and improve health despite claims to the contrary by the medical establishment. Vaccines disrupt and damage DNA, thus creating genetic disturbances and mutations in a healthy person, which eventually creates a cellular environment that is extremely susceptible to disease. Mass vaccination proarams are being pushed because the global elite are trying to implement a population control agenda. Just look at the destructive effects vaccines have had on the populations of Africa and how the AIDS epidemic is decimating this continent. In the book, Emerging Viruses, by Dr. Len Horowitz, he documents with convincing facts and figures that AIDS was a bioweapon developed by the U.S. government in collusion with several pharmaceutical firms and was administered through the Hepatitis B vaccine. When looking at their components and manufacturing process further, a spiritually enlightened person can easily understand that vaccines are nothing more than a demonic witches brew.

    For those interested in numerology, it has been found that the word VACCINATION translates to a specific number, and easily so. Merely assign multiples of six to the alphabet. For example, A = 6, B = 12, C = 18, D = 24, etc. Then add the respective values in the word VACCINATION. The sum is 666, the number of the beast.(42) In fact, there are many, many other scriptural and historical postulates that correlate with Satan, witchcraft, ritual worship, blood sacrifice, etc., that will shock Christian scholars and laypersons.

    http://www.vaclib.org/basic/crusade.htm

  7. tony e says:

    Broga,

    This would be an ideal opportunity for the power of prayer to be proven once and for all.

    Cue silence from the religious.

  8. stokebruernehuman says:

    The pious are stupid, thick, moronic, ignorant fools.

  9. Daz says:

    Apparently this god which created everything and everyone, didn’t create doctors for a purpose…

  10. stokebruernehuman says:

    “The church’s risk manager, Robert Hayes”……Why the hell do they need a Risk Manager. Surely god takes care of everything.

    The risk manager is not doing a very good job because he missed the risk that no vaccination is a pretty good way to give your kid measles. Fuckwits all.

  11. Trevor Blake says:

    I will donate five hundred dollars to the religious body or charitable organization of choice for the first instance of prayer restoring an amputated limb.

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    The James Randi Educational Foundation, in turn, will pay out one million dollars for the same.

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

    So that’s one million, five hundred dollars for a single demonstration, anywhere on the planet, any time, for a single prayer answered. Just one prayer. One time. Let’s go. I’m waiting.

  12. Daz says:

    The risk manager is not doing a very good job because he missed the risk that no vaccination is a pretty good way to give your kid measles.

    Being fair here, the fault, in this case, lies with private decisions taken by certain of the congregants, not with the church or its risk manager, whatever the hell that is.

  13. Matt+Westwood says:

    “Stop messing about with the Lords creation. If God had meant us to be well he wouldn’t have created disease in the first place now would he.”

    One has to admit that death by disease is a time-honoured technique offered by nature to keep the various populations of its animal inhabitants from becoming too dense.

  14. Barry Duke says:

    Matt, methinks think you’ve identified a significant problem posed by modern medicine: the buggering up of the natural selection process designed to eradicate damaging traits in humanity.

    It’s a fact that stupid people produce stupid children, and the religious – ie the terminally stupid – tend to produce a great many more sprogs than rational folk.

    These offspring survive to produce more morons (not all of their parents shun medical intervention when they fall ill).

    Quote:

    “Culling the herd should work for humanity, too. Professional livestock breeders cull the herd, meaning they get rid of animals with unwanted characteristics such as laziness, susceptibility to disease, and stupidity.

    “This is done so they can prevent those characteristics from being passed down to future offspring and infecting the entire herd with biological weakness and inferiority. Unfortunately, human beings don’t have anyone in control of their breeding to mimic this practice.

    “Nope, we all just run around screwing anything that moves and passing along the very worst genes to our offspring. In fact, a trip to your local Walmart on any random Saturday should convince you that stupid people are not only reproducing whenever they feel like it, but they are insanely fertile.

    “Pretty soon they’re going to outnumber the rest of us, and who the hell is going to take care of them? So really, it’s for their own good that we reduce their numbers by prohibiting their reproduction.”

    A tad flippant, but …

    See http://roogirl.com/7-reasons-stupid-people-should-not-be-allowed-to-reproduce/

  15. Nick says:

    Think of it as evolution in action.

  16. Daz says:

    I will not…
    I will not…
    Yes I will…

    Think of it as evolution in action.

    Fuck you, you heartless heap of putrefying camel-dung.

  17. paul says:

    Wow! Barriejohn you need professional help.

  18. L.Long says:

    Too bad they are not having a good outbreak of mumps! That way the adults could pray-catch it anyway-have the disease drop (very common in adults) and their balls would swell and become sterile!
    Then they would not be capable of breading any more stoopids.

    Unfortunately evilution don’t work that way, but it is a nice thought.

  19. Robster says:

    What the *F* does a risk manager for a church do?

  20. 1859 says:

    Did I read ‘a registered dog breeder’? Funny how there has been absolutely no evidence of a single person becoming infertile in the 200 or so years since vaccination became used in Europe? And, on the other hand, there has been massive, incontravertible evidence of people NOT becoming infected by some of the most horrible diseases to have regularly plagued humanity. I suggest this dog breeding buffoon tries a good dose of smallpox to change his mind – but wait! the smallpox virus has been made extinct – by vaccination!

  21. Daz says:

    The smell of “Oh isn’t eugenics funny” on this thread is, I have to say, rather sickening.

  22. […] case and a bunch of kids whose church frowns on vaccination.” The church in question, which does not oppose vaccination of children but lets parents decide for themselves, has an attendance of 1,500 members, which is about 0.002% […]

  23. Matt+Westwood says:

    @Daz: Please can you articulate your objections to the suggestion that breeding should be restricted to those who show societal competence? I’m seeing a lot of anger and emotive knee-jerking, but no thought-out arguments. Sounds to me like eugenics as a concept is not 100% a bad idea.

  24. barriejohn says:

    1859: Exactly – which is why I quoted that particular paragraph. They are always wheeling out such people, with their anecdotal evidence, to back up their mad theories. And of course the AIDS epidemic was the result of a plan by those in power to wipe out countless numbers of the population, which is why governments have spent millions in an effort to control it!

  25. barriejohn says:

    Matt: There’s the small matter of human rights. (And who are you going to trust to decide who breeds and who doesn’t? You of all people must have thought about that one!)

  26. Matt+Westwood says:

    @barriejohn: I’m not saying the problem’s a simple one to solve. But that in itself does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. Seriously, what downsides are there to a suggestion that people who have shown a propensity towards irresponsibly incontinent breeding should in some way be limited in the furtherance of their unthinking drive to increase the quantity of their offspring?

    Ultimately, if it brings about a reduction in the number of stupid people, it’s immaterial who does the picking and choosing, although one would hope it were not accomplished on racial lines. Unfortunately, recent history having been studied, it appears that (at least in the US) this is exactly how it would be done. (Remember the secret sterilisation programs in the mid-20th century performed on black people? I don’t have time to hunt down the references – it’s something I noticed only in passing some years ago while exploring something else.)

    Although I fear it’s too late now and the population is so stupidly high that it’s going to take something cataclysmic for an appropriate reduction to happen

    One of the problems is that stupid people are unlikely to recognise the fact that they are stupid. If you test them and compare their results against a reference scale, they will complain that the test is slanted against their particular group trait (whatever that be). “You can’t measure intelligence with a test,” they whine, “I don’t understand science therefore it’s nothing to do with intelligence. I’m smarter than you, I can balance an M&M on my nose, bet you can’t do that, see you’re stupider than me.”

    Yes, you will notice that I consider myself on the side of the “smarts” and therefore “other” than the “stupids”. Now I need to have it explained as to why this is a bad thing, without invoking Godwin’s law.

  27. barriejohn says:

    Matt: Yes, you will notice that I consider myself on the side of the “smarts” and therefore “other” than the “stupids”.

    That says it all. I knew many Christians who seriously supported the idea. Notwithstanding Mr Godwin, it’s a fascist concept.

    Daz: The comments all appear to be tongue in cheek!

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  29. Daz says:

    Daz: The comments all appear to be tongue in cheek!

    Indeed. My apologies to all, especially Nick.

  30. barriejohn says:

    Wow! Barriejohn you need professional help

    THOSE ARE DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE SITES TO WHICH I HAVE PROVIDED LINKS; THAT IS WHY THEY ARE IN ITALICS!

  31. Daz says:

    Wow! Barriejohn you need professional help.

    Thank you Paul! I feel so much better about my own faux-pas, now. At least I managed to object to what people were actually saying…

  32. Schmorty Pantload says:

    Let’s call this what it is. A group of backward superstitious people, influenced by the preaching s of a pastor who is critical of vaccines, peddling pseudoscience, and groveling in the morass of dark age superstition. They have back pedaled in the face of this outbreak, but it is well known that this church has been telling its parish not to immunize. Our nation is up to its elbows in religious nonsense, and we are being laughed at by the rest of the developed world. What an embarrassment.

  33. Mike says:

    It just goes to show you how stupid people are in the United States. Listen up folks… duhhh THERE IS NO GOD. Just cause you believe there is one does not make it so. How can you people be so ignorant?? Did you all go to school??? Sheess makes me sick !