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Don’t you just hate it when the truth gets twisted – as in the case of Polish girl’s suicide

Don’t you just hate it when the truth gets twisted – as in the case of Polish girl’s suicide

DELIBERATELY lying for Jesus (or Mohammed) happens routinely. Here is the most recent example, which reveals that a Christian organisation called the Salt and Light Ministry fabricated a story about a transgender girl harassing female students in a Los Angeles public school toilet. It’s the SECOND time they’ve been caught out lying. Despicable!

We  detest such tactics and would never knowingly make up a story or deliberately twist the truth to suit our own ends. But, hey, we’re only human, and now and again can be duped, as in the case of the suicide of Polish girl, Maria Kislo.

Last week we ran the story under the headline “Girl’s tragic suicide highlights the dangers of filling young heads with religious claptrap“, and relayed information from the Daily Mirror that claimed she had written a suicide note that said she wanted to be in heaven with her dead father. It has now emerged that the suicide note appears to have been a complete fabrication. The story was also published in the Daily Mail.

The Freethinker report, as well as that on The Friendly Atheist, went viral, and was reproduced on many Christian websites as an example of atheists making capital out of the girl’s tragic death.

I am as angry over being duped as Hermant Mehta, and, I would guess, many other secular bloggers who carried the report.

But – and the is a BIG BUT – the fact remains that religion DOES pose a very real threat to children in a great number of ways, one of the most dangerous being the belief that a child can be possessed by demons.

In Malaysia, for example, the family of toddler Chua Wan Xuen, aged almost three, thought she was possessed. Seven family members, plus a a maid, pinned her down and carried out a violent exorcism that was interrupted by the police. Too late, alas. She died of suffocation.

Some of those accused of causing the toddlers death

Some of those accused of causing the toddlers death

All of those involved went on trial earlier this year – and were let off with fines – none exceeding £2,000!

A “slap on the wrist that does not commensurate with the gravity of the offence” was how  Penang Bar Committee criminal law chairman Ranjit Singh Dhillon described the Butterworth Sessions Court’s decision and he demanded that the prosecution should file an appeal against the sentence.

He said the family members charged with causing death by a negligent act not amounting to culpable homicide should have been sentenced to a jail term as well.

Public interest demands it. It cannot be just a fine.

He added that exorcism was not a valid defence under any criminal jurisdiction in the world and that the only legal defence for the accused in the case was insanity.

He also pointed out that the family pleaded guilty only after the prosecution had established a prima facie case against them.

Their plea is valueless as a mitigation factor. The odds are stacked against them. Everyone wants to plead for sympathy, but bleeding hearts can go only so far, considering what was done to the child, who was only two years and nine months old then.

The sentences were passed by judge Musyiri Peet after all seven pleaded guilty.

The pressure Ranjit Singh Dhillon put on the judiciary to review the sentences has paid off. Today the High Court began hearing the prosecution’s appeal against the fines imposed by the lower court on four of the defendants who were convicted of  negligently causing the child’s death.

UPDATE (via BarrieJohn): Children with parents strongly committed to a faith are at greater risk of abuse than their peers, a victim support group has claimed.Religious groups are urged to update their safeguarding policies to help prevent child abuse.

The Churches Child Protection Advisory Service (CCPAS) has made the warning in response to a report by the National Crime Agency’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) that criticises the role of churches, schools, youth groups and care homes in protecting children from abuse.
 

31 Responses to “Don’t you just hate it when the truth gets twisted – as in the case of Polish girl’s suicide”

  1. Bob says:

    You’ve got egg on your face! Serves you fucking right for opposing the Bible.

  2. Angela_K says:

    Bob, at least we have the integrity to say we have been duped unlike you and your mates who have been well and truly duped by your Bible but are too brain-washed to recognise it.

    Go back to put putting disgusting Bible tracts into cereal packets.

  3. Lurker111 says:

    “… Salt and Light Ministry fabricated a story about a transgender girl harassing female students in a Los Angeles public school toilet. It’s the SECOND time they’ve been caught out lying. Despicable!”

    Hey, that 9th Commandment was ever only a suggestion, ya know?

  4. Daz says:

    Shorter Bob: “Nyer nyer.” Which is, if I may say, bloody callous Bob, considering we’re talking of the suicide of a child. But then, it’s not immoral if your book gives you no instructions on the matter, right?

    Not religion-related, but similar to the exorcism story, a petition:

    In Busia, Kenya, a 16 year old girl, Liz is beaten and gang-raped on her way home from her grandfather’s funeral and dumped in a pit latrine. […] Police arrested perpetrators only to have them slash grass upon which they were released. Join us in calling for Justice for Liz, an immediate arrest of the perpetrators and disciplinary action on the police. […]

    [Link]

  5. Trevor Blake says:

    “For if the truth of God hath more abounded by my lie unto His glory, why yet am I also adjudged a sinner?” – Romans 3.7

    It’s not a sin to lie if it tricks people into believing in God. At least so says the Bible. Bible believers admit clearly and in writing they cannot engage in honest debate. We atheists keep trying to teach by example, though.

  6. Stephen Mynett says:

    So Bob, you have never been duped or made a mistake. Of course not, how can you go wrong when you are guided by an imaginary asswipe who had his son nailed to a plank.

  7. Broga says:

    @Bob. Serves us right for opposing the bible. Which bit as so many statements contradict other statements. That is apart from the support for all kinds of cruelties, absurdities and abominations. You appear to be seriously unbalanced. Have you thought about getting some help? I don’t mean from a priest but a psychiatrist. Your current pills are clearly not helping you.

  8. JohnMWhite says:

    One wonders if opposing the bible, a book which advocates beating, whipping, raping and murdering children on the orders of god, may have had something to do with people here getting upset at the thought of a young girl taking her own life because of being told death would be better for her by people who believed in that same bible.

    And if the consequences of opposing the bible is to accidentally believe that something in a newspaper actually occurred as described, what a pathetic wuss of a god Bob worships.

  9. David Anderson says:

    Bob:

    Why did you not comment on the original thread to tell us it was a fabrication? Was it because you didn’t know and you kept quiet because such a story is only too plausable in your disgusting religión?

    If you had looked you would have seen that it was one of the regular commenters here, Graham Martin-Royal, who alerted us to fact that the story was (in some part) fabricated.

    Of course, you would have even more difficulty recognizing a fabricated story seeing how your religión is based on a book of complete fabrication.

  10. Broga says:

    @David Anderson: One of the differences between atheists and fundies such as the sad Bob is that people here have no problem admitting getting it wrong. Why should we? If we are corrected we have learned something, perhaps grown a little.

    The religious fool can never be wrong. However, tortuous the explanation they must ensure that they justify the crazy bible. In the same way, a perfidious, thieving, paedophile Christian – of which there is an ample supply – is immediately classified as “not a true Christian.” Although a profitable alternative is the Christian who has been saved and, especially in the USA, can continue his scam.

  11. Barry Duke says:

    Oh, and what about the boob you made, Hutton, when you inadvertently supplied me with the email addresses of all your fundie friends?

    A while back the rancid clot send out some daft a “prayer letter” to his delusional mates, and included me in the round robin. All the recipients received this reply from me:

    “Who is this fuckwit Bob Hutton? And why have I, an ATHEIST, been chosen to receive his vacuous, pathetic ‘prayer letter’. I want to know more about this wanker. If any of you can provide info, or better still, a photograph of this camera-shy loon, please contact me.”

    The recipients must surely have been enraged that Hutton had made their e-mail address available to me (I still have them, Bob).

    But only two responded. David G Brewer (david.brewer5@cox.net) huffed “You need to control your potty mouth, and have more respect. The light of the gospel is for all mankind, that includes you, yes you. So a man speaks what fills his heart.”

    And Dale McAlpine (dale.mcalpine@tiscali.co.uk) asked: “Approximately 150,000 people die every day, where will you spend eternity?”

    Now THAT’S what getting egg on your face is REALLY all about, Hutton! Serves you right for trying to spread your madness to the wrong people.

  12. Stephen Mynett says:

    David G Brewer is right about one thing: “The light of the gospel is for all mankind.” Of course it is, women are expected to be in the kitchen cooking and looking after babies, that is until they are called on for prostitute duty. A wonderful thing religion.

  13. AgentCormac says:

    Bob

    Congratulations! You clearly noticed that having been informed that the story he posted was based on erroneous information, Barry saw fit to go public with the fact. Compare this with your own deplorable behaviour. Every fucking word you write is based on falsehoods and lies – but do you ever see fit to apologies? Of course you don’t, you spineless little wank stain.

  14. Broga says:

    @Barry Duke: The replies for Bob’s buddies are so vacuous they would fit well into TfTD. I can see why the “faithful” who come here never stay long – they have nothing to say. The content of their contributions is repetitive, boring and devoid of anything fresh or interesting.

    From time to time I think some of them are more anxious to persuade themselves than us. I can understand that. Only the deranged could believe what they claim to believe. I think the sense their own mental instability. For many others, particularly in the higher echelons of the churches, they are as convinced of absurdities such as a married virgin being impregnated by a God, as I am. But they have a career to protect.

  15. Angela_K says:

    Barry, I love Mr Brewer’s remark “..have more respect” He has the audacity to expect us rational thinkers to have respect for his absurd beliefs; wishful thinking just like his stupid religion.

  16. remigius says:

    Bob, so Barry had faith in the original story but changed his mind after seeing there was no evidence to support it – and it was obviously made up. I wonder if there is a lesson in there somewhere?

  17. David Anderson says:

    And Dale McAlpine (dale.mcalpine@tiscali.co.uk) asked: “Approximately 150,000 people die every day, where will you spend eternity?”

    Um, somewhere not too crowded might be nice.

  18. charlie says:

    Great comments here already. All I can add is that non-believers of religion are willing to and do correct their mistakes. How many believers of any religion ever do so? Bets we could count them on one hand and have fingers left unused.
    Oh, Bob, can you say “hypocrite”? I bet you can, IF you try. Look in a mirror for proof of what one is.

  19. Barry Duke says:

    Hate to be pedantic Stephen Mynett, but Jesus was allegedly nailed to TWO planks. There’s a third plank in this scenario: a certain Bob Hutton, who on his lazy blog (2.5 entries per month) seems to be a tad miffed over the fact that I called him “sweetie” and once, Spooneristically, referred to him as Hob Button, which was not nearly as amusing as our “queer old Dean” or “Go help me sod”. (http://bobhutton1.blogspot.com.es/2013/10/the-error-of-universalism.html#comment-form)

    If you scroll down through an enormous amount of crap Hutton spouts about biblical literalism, he throws in a confession to a skeptic called Dave who has been drawing out Bob’s insanity, much as one lances a boil: “We don’t know why God gave snakes the ability you speak of but He is sovereign, He has His reasons.”

    He then says to Dave, who has succeeded in making him look a complete arsehole: “I am enjoying these exchanges as they consist of the intelligent debate that I have long wanted to have with the likes of Mr Duke and his ilk.”

    Bob, my old darling, come back to me one day after you’ve looked up the meaning of debate. This isn’t you by any chance? http://www.kansasbob.com/2010/11/what-is-evangelist.html

  20. barriejohn says:

    Barry: Crucifixion was carried out using wooden stakes as well as the traditional cross, and the NT does refer in two places to Jesus hanging on “a tree” (though that doesn’t count for much, especially as he was supposed to have carried his cross – which would have been the cross member).

    PS I do hope you’re not allowing that vile creep Hutton to get under your skin!

  21. JohnMWhite says:

    How do people debate anything when one party thinks snakes can talk because a magician gave them the ability while sneakily setting up a patsy to attempt to justify his horrendous mistreatment of his own creation, and the other party knows how to read?

  22. JohnMWhite says:

    @barriejohn: Is a cross member a side effect of homophobic conservatives getting it stuck in the closet door?

  23. Barry Duke says:

    Hutton getting under MY skin, BarrieJohn? Nope. Other way around. That little pervert obsesses about me all his wanking hours.

  24. remigius says:

    Oh, you two – I dunno. Just get your arse down to Broadstairs, have your wicked way with him. Show ‘im the light.

    It’s what you both want :)

  25. Barry Duke says:

    One one condition, Remigius: you be the fluffer, film it and put it on XTube.

  26. remigius says:

    Barry, seriously!

    You really think Bob Hutton needs a fluffer to get him good to go?

    Unless you mean me… on you?

    No, ta!

    Bye

  27. remigius says:

    Not that I’m queerophobic or nowt, just that, you know, what with me knees, an that…

  28. remigius says:

    I nominate barriejohn!

  29. Matt+Westwood says:

    I’d love to join you guys, but I’m going through one of my disgusting het phases right now … please don’t judge me on my sexuality, eh?