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First known casualty in America’s 2013 ‘War on Xmas’ turns out to be a Salvation Army member

YESTERDAY, beneath our report of companies to steer clear of if you’re a Christian bigot, one commenter, Charlie from the US of A asked:

…Did they give up on their idiotic ‘war on Xmas’ already? Or are we going to get more of that horse shit as well?

No, Charlie, they haven’t – and in Phoenix, Arizona, this weekend, it turned violent! Ironically, the victim was a Salvation Army bell-ringer who had the gall to wish a shopper “Happy Holidays”. Kristina Vindiola claims in this report that a woman hit her outside a Phoenix Walmart after offered her greeting.

Kristina Vindiola. Photo:/abc15.com

Kristina Vindiola. Photo:/abc15.com

The lady looked at me. I thought she was going to put money in the kettle. She came up to me and said, ‘Do you believe in God?’ And she says, ‘You’re supposed to say Merry Christmas,’ and that’s when she hit me.

Vindiola says the woman struck her on the arm and then went inside the store. She reported the attack to manager who then called police. Shoppers quizzed about the incident said they understand how some people can get offended. Said one woman:

I’ve finally gotten used to ‘Happy Holidays’ and it’s a ‘Happy Holiday’ or a ‘Merry Christmas,’ I’m good with either one.

Another, who works for a public school district said she says “Merry Christmas” to most people. But:

At work when I’m sending emails and to be politically correct it’s ‘Happy Holidays’ because we’re supposed to.

A third said:

I’m a Christian and that is what it means to me, you know it’s a celebration of Christ’s birth.

Apparently, not everyone agrees with that, and the bell ringer who said she was assaulted now plans to take legal action. The Salvation Army says it doesn’t have a policy as to what its bell ringers should say, they can say “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Holidays.” Phoenix police looked at surveillance video but didn’t have enough evidence to arrest the woman accused in the assault. Meanwhile Bodie Hodge of Answers In Genesis, the group that runs the Creation Museum, recently authored a book about the “War on Christmas” and has created a “War On Christmas Insider Team” to help people defend the allegedly imperiled holiday. BodiHodge_webBanner Hodge was a guest this week on the American Family Association’s show Today’s Issues and told the told the comical AFA head Tim Wildmon and research director Ed Vitagliano about the mindset of supposedly anti-Christmas agitators. The wingnut then argued that non-Christians shouldn’t even take any days off of work when religious holidays come round.

If you thought about it, a secular, atheistic worldview, you know they don’t want Christmas. Well, why don’t they go up and say, ‘I want to work on Christmas and I don’t want time-and-a-half and I don’t want any of those holidays because that implies there is some God out there that’s holy that makes a day special. Consider a weekend. A weekend is a Christian thing, God created in the six days, he rested on the seventh, the Lord resurrected on the first day, that’s a Christian thing. These guys should say, ‘No, we should work all the time’ and work like the bees till you die. They should have no days off, the whole concept of work and rest is a Christian thing. Within their own worldview they have no basis for it, they have to borrow that from a Christian worldview, so they borrow it and they try to corrupt it.

Rightwing Watch points out: Of course, it was actually the Puritans and not those menacing secular humanists who forced people to work on Christmas. Hodge and the AFA team might also want to check with their favourite Religious Right historian, David Barton, about whether the two-day weekend is a Christian concept, as Barton claims that the Bible commands people to work six out of seven days.

68 Responses to “First known casualty in America’s 2013 ‘War on Xmas’ turns out to be a Salvation Army member”

  1. Bella says:

    Maggie, Let me clear this up for you without using a “label” on my religious beliefs. Whether it be Christian, Catholic, Lutheran, etc….

    You get what I’m saying, right?

    To ME, and again, I’m not speaking for anyone else but myself, believing in God and having faith in God, has nothing to do with going to church every Sunday, or what have you, because I do not do that. I believe that if I want to pray, God can here me even if I’m sitting on the toilet! ;) I don’t need to go to a special building to pray or give thanks.

    I don’t believe that you should “shove” your religious beliefs down someone’s throat either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as to whether God is real or not. I AM a believer for many personal reasons, but I won’t get into them here, since Atheists aren’t really concerned with that.

    I also believe the saying “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. As with all of these “so called” Christians thinking that it’s their way or no way, and that every person in the world should believe in God, or they’re automatically sinners and will go to hell.

    I don’t believe people should be judged by their sexual preference either. It’s OK to be gay in my eyes. What’s that hurting me? It’s none of my business what goes on in their bedroom. I have gay friends and they are some of the best people I know. I am not going to be judged for that when the day comes, but I’m SURE there are things I WILL be judged for. Like the saying goes “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones”. Everyone’s sins are different.

    We are all children of God (or whatever you believe) therefor we were all created equal, no matter the color of our skin, our sexuality, or the lifestyle we choose to live. No one should think they are better than anyone else. I also, do not believe in slavery. No one should “OWN” another human being. We are not animals.

    I also do not believe in adultery, I believe in the sanctity of marriage, and that it is not something to be entered into lightly. Which I’m sure a lot of you would agree with me on that.

    I do however believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman, but to each their own, and if two men or two women want to get married, that’s on them. Again, none of my business.

    I also believe that prostitution is a sin, especially if you sleep with a married man (or woman), because then you are not only committing a sin by prostituting yourself, you are also committing adultery.

    There are so many things I could sit here and type, but in all honesty, it doesn’t REALLY matter to any of you, and I’m not going to waste your time or my own.

    In other words, I am NOT one of those people who would get offended if you say “Happy Holidays” to me, but I AM one of those people that will say “Merry Christmas & Happy New Year” to you, because that is my right as a human, my freedom of speech, and if someone gets offended by that, then that’s too bad.

    BUT, I would NEVER chastise someone for not saying Merry Christmas if they’re not comfortable with it due to their own beliefs. What that woman did, in the article, is a sad excuse for a “Christian”! You should NEVER resort to violence just because someone doesn’t share your religious beliefs. THAT is what I’m trying to say makes ME different from those types of “Christians”.

    My only wish is that everyone could get along and stop worrying about what the next person is doing, and just worry about yourself.

    Hell, maybe I’m not a “real Christian” if that’s what they claim a Christian is. Because I am nothing like those people that do that type of thing. I worry about myself and my family. What other people do is none of my concern. All I know, is that I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, and that’s OK. Just like it’s OK for you to NOT believe.

    But being that I was raised in a Christian family, what I wrote, to ME, is what a Christian is. Not these people that try to force it on you like Jehovah’s knocking on your door, even after you tell them not to come back because you’re not interested.

    Maybe to THESE Christians, I’m not a Christian at all, and that’s ok too. I don’t really need anyone’s approval.

  2. Angela_K says:

    @Bella, your Bible based bigotry shines through and it is obvious that like so many christians you cherry-pick which bits of your silly book suit you. This is an Atheist site and we do allow religious types to post here, a curtesy denied us by religious web-sites.

  3. Broga says:

    @Bella: My problem is that you have not explained what you mean when you refer to God. If man is made in God’s image does that mean God has a heart, two ears, lungs, legs, arms and so on? If that is what it means then of what use are these in the vastness of the cosmos where even in the Milky Way, one of billions of other galaxies, light travelling at 186,000 miles per second takes thousands of years to cross our galaxy.

    If that is not what the word “image” means then what does it mean? Can you help with clarification? And if image does not mean what the word usually means then how can you know what is God’s nature or what he wants.

    I suggest any omnipotent Being might have more respect for sceptics who decline to accept the incredible beliefs which are purveyed by not very convincing representatives of God. I have in mind, for example, the many Roman Catholic priests who satisfy their perverted lusts on children.

    Thanks and a Happy Christmas to you as well.

    PS: Just for my credentials as you have strayed on to this site and have different values to most of us: I am heterosexual, been married for 40 plus years to the same woman, love children and animals and will be surrounded by them over Christmas.

  4. Bella says:

    @ Angela_K…

    “your Bible based bigotry shines through and it is obvious that like so many christians you cherry-pick which bits of your silly book suit you. This is an Atheist site and we do allow religious types to post here, a curtesy denied us by religious web-sites.”

    Angela, I do not believe I “cherry pick”, as you say. I just believe what I believe. These were the things that were taught to me growing up. As I’ve stated in that post you are referring to (the one to Maggie), maybe THOSE Christians don’t view me as a Christian at all. And like I also said, that is OK with me. I am who I am, take me or leave me!

    I DO, however, recall apologizing to you ALL for posting here. I was NOT aware that this was an Atheist website at first, but I really could care less if you posted a thousand posts on a religious website. It’s your right to speak about what you believe, or not believe.

    I do not judge people on what they choose to believe. I do have friends that are Atheists, and I NEVER once tried to shove my beliefs down their throats! We ALL know that we wouldn’t still be friends if that were the case, and some of them are GREAT friends!

    I have absolutely nothing against any of you for choosing not to believe there’s a God, that’s not my business. But I don’t feel that you should have anything against me FOR believing there’s a God. As far as I’m concerned, we are all just human beings!

    I choose my friends, NOT for what they believe or don’t believe in, but on their personality, and ability to be a true friend!

    I hope you have a Wonderful Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year!

    :)

  5. Dave Godfrey says:

    I have nothing against you for what you believe in, but I do think what you believe in is absurd. You need to be able separate attacks on the believer (which I don’t think I have attacked you, Bella) from attacks on the substance of what you believe. You have a right to be wrong.

    Again, Merry Christmas.

  6. Angela_K says:

    @Bella. So you say you are OK with Gay people but anti-equal marriage which is very much cherry picking from your bible.

    “I have absolutely nothing against any of you for choosing not to believe there’s a God” Another example of religious arrogance where their position is the default and in their view correct and everybody else is wrong: the religious “believe” there is a god[s] therefore there is!

  7. Broga says:

    @Angela_K: I note that Bella chooses not to comment on the issues I raised about the nature of her God. I think that says it all. Christians run for cover when they are challenged about the nature of their faith. Bella, I assume, cannot respond with a credible answer so she, like a typical Christian, ignores the question.

  8. remigius says:

    Axial tilt… the real reason for the season! Merry Mythmas everyone!

    Nah. That’s ain’t the real Ricky Gervais. I know the cunt from when I were at uni. He was supposedly the ‘ents’ manager. But did he feckin’ entertain us?

    He was a feckin’ sad fat little git. Nothing he ever said was funny. If he’s funny now it’s cos that Steve Merchant said it for ‘im.

    Or Karl Pillockington!

    Yeah. It takes a retard to make Gervais look funny.

    Ricky Gervais? THE Ricky Gervais? SERIOUSLY? If that’s the case we are deeply honoured, sir, to have attracted your attention!

    Barry, how far up his non-existent arse are you gon – never mind!

    He ain’t even feckin’ French! It’s all a wind-up!

  9. remigius says:

    And if you think I’m bitter and twisted because that fat git is a successful multimillionaire, whilst I’m ju…

    Cuntifuckinkill……….

  10. remigius says:

    Er, Barry. I’m sure you’ve received my emails about, er…

    After maybe 10pm. Just, ya know.

    Ignore!

    Ta.

  11. remigius says:

    Yeah, Bella. What he said, but –

    PS: Just for my credentials as you have strayed on to this site and have different values to most of us: I am heterosexual, been single for 40 plus years to the same woman fist, love cannot abide children and animals and will be fuckin’ surrounded by them the little bastards over Christmas.

    Happy Fucking Holidays to you too!

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