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Iraqi Islamists want girls as young as nine to be married

Iraqi Islamists want girls as young as nine to be married

IRAQ’S current personal status law enshrines women’s rights regarding marriage, inheritance, and child custody, and has often been held up as the most progressive in the Middle East.

But “progressive” is a dirty word in Islamic circles, and the current government, dominated by diehard Islamists, has approved a draft law that would permit the marriage of nine-year-old girls and automatically give child custody to fathers.

According to this report, about two dozen Iraqis demonstrated last Saturday in Baghdad against the proposed legislation.

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The group’s protest was on International Women’s Day and a week after the cabinet voted for the legislation, based on Shi’ite Islamic jurisprudence. This would allowing clergy to preside over marriages, divorces and inheritances. Protesters shouted:

On this day of women, women of Iraq are in mourning.

Said Hanaa Eduar, a prominent Iraqi human rights activist:

We believe that this is a crime against humanity. It would deprive a girl of her right to live a normal childhood.

The UN’s representative to Iraq, Nickolay Mladenov, also condemned the legislation. Mladenov wrote on Twitter that the bill:

Risks constitutionally protected rights for women and international commitment.

The legislation goes to the heart of the divisions in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003, as Shi’ite Islamists have come to lead the government and look to impose their religious values on society at large.

It describes girls as reaching puberty at nine, making them fit for marriage, makes the father sole guardian of his children at two and condones a husband’s right to insist on sexual intercourse with his wife whenever he wishes.

The legislation is referred to as the Ja’afari Law, named after the sixth Shi’ite imam Ja’afar al-Sadiq, who founded his own school of jurisprudence.

The draft was put forward by Justice Minister Hassan al-Shimari, a member of the Shi’ite Islamist Fadila party, and approved by the cabinet on February 25.

It must now be reviewed by parliament, but the draft could very well languish, with national elections scheduled for April 30, and vocal opposition among secularists.

The good news is that secularists in Iraq have had more than enough of the idiocy of the Islamists, and according to this report atheism is growing at an astonishing speed in the country.

Atheism used to be an elitist phenomenon restricted to intellectuals and scholars only, but, today, it has metamorphosed into an all-encompassing one that is tirelessly increasing in scope.

Shi’ite religious parties first attempted to pass a version of the law in 2003 under US occupation, angering non-religious Iraqis and prompting protests. Since then, amid Iraq’s turmoil, the tug-of-war has continued between Iraq’s secularists and Islamists.

Defenders of the regressive new law  argue that the current personal status law violates sharia religious law.

35 responses to “Iraqi Islamists want girls as young as nine to be married”

  1. charlie says:

    Sharia has to be the most despicable excuse for “law” ever dumped on human beings. Glad to hear that atheists are becoming more than just a minority in Iraq. While old Saddam may have been a bastard, he did keep a lid on the religious fundies in Iraq. The idiot W. Shrub and his pal Tony opened one hell of a can of worms when they invaded that country.

  2. Ex Patriot says:

    To tbink we lost over 5000 lives for this plus the 1000’s that were wounded and left disabled for what. The country awas better off when Saddam was in charge. We wasted billions of $ for f(/&%& oil

  3. Jurjen S. says:

    It wasn’t even for oil, given that the revenues from Iraqi oil production go to the Iraqi government, not to the governments of the USA or the UK. But if you want to ask “for what?” the answer is “so that, when sanctions collapsed, those oil revenues wouldn’t go to France, Russia, and China in exchange for weapons with which Saddam could resume his threat to the rest of the Middle East.”

  4. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    Justice Minister Hassan al-Shimari

    That’s a misnomer, he obviously doesn’t know what justice is.

  5. Broga says:

    What people are realising, even in Islamist countries and the backward states in the USA, is that atheism is kinder, more generous and more determined to enhance human well being than religion. One consequence in the UK is that the PBC (Papal Broadcasting Corporation) must keep atheism off the air.

    I had the misfortune to catch a bit of an interview with Cardinal Nichols on the BBC yesterday. Nichols, suitably humble, is part of a religious effort to stop women trafficking. However, Huw Edwards soon switched on to slavering ego massaging as he asked Nichols how he felt about his time in Rome when he got his red hat. I don’t know what the answer was as I switched off.

    The BBC, the 26 unelected bishops in the Lords, and much of the government (whose Ministers seem to be having their personal problems with paedophilia) must push the scam that the only decency, the only morality is that which comes from religion. The evidence is all the other way.

  6. AgentCormac says:

    Legalised child rape. Catholic priests will probably think it’s a great idea.

  7. mikespeir says:

    I don’t know how they’re going to do it, but I can’t see the Iraqi people standing for the present regime forever.

  8. Trevor Blake says:

    Why nine? Because that was the age of Muhammad’s wife Aisha. If child rape is good enough for him, it is good enough for all Muslim men. That’s why child rape isn’t Islamist. It is plain old Islam.

  9. Broga says:

    First FGM and then the rape and agonising suffering of 9 year old girls. FGM is known to cause great pain in sex but I don’t think these sick Islamist scum are likely to be restrained by that. It is difficult to contemplate the suffering of these pitiful children.

  10. Angela_K says:

    Nine year old girls will never be allowed to marry boys of a similar age. You can guarantee they’ll be forced to marry some filthy man old enough to be her Grandfather.

  11. Broga says:

    @Angela_K: These brutes always seem to be bearded, turbaned, fat gutted and I suspect they stink. They will want to exercise their authority and discipline on pathetic children forced to submit in misery and incomprehension to their perverted lusts.

    The silence from religious leaders who might protest, and who so readily howl about adult gays in relationships, is deafening.

  12. Angela_K says:

    From today’s NSS website an example of how this religious scum treat women, in this case a five year old tortured to death because she allegedly was not a virgin. http://www.examiner.com/article/released-imam-raped-tortured-5-yr-old-because-he-doubted-her-virginity?

  13. It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good … if this latest attempt at legislative lunacy causes the good people of Iraq to throw off this fascistic mindset then brilliant.

  14. AgentCormac says:

    @Angela_K

    Just followed your link – truly horrific story! The bastard should be hung up in public by his balls.

  15. Fayhan al-Ghamdi is a murdering verminous shit who needs to be strung up by one testicle and beaten to within 1mm of his life. says:

    Fayhan al-Ghamdi….what a wonderful representative of islam. To do those things to anyone is truly appalling. To do those things to a child, your own 5 year old child, must be more than enough evidence for even the most rabid muslim to understand that islam is the most evil agency known to mankind. No chance of world peace, equality of women, protection of children from abuse or anything other basic human right while the this most vile pernicious disgusting religion is tolerated. Anyone who can stand up and say that islam should be tolerated is guilty of dereliction of their duty as a human being.

  16. Paul Cook says:

    In reply to Jurjen S. who is off topic. You are wrong.

    The two Kuwait/Iraq Gulf wars were all about oil. It was nothing whatsoever to ‘free kuwait’ or deal with madman insane.

    Before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the first gulf war, Iraq had warned Kuwait several times not to horizontally drill into, or tamper with Iraqi oil and oil fields. Which the Kuwaiti’s ignored. And oil doesn’t stay in one place it migrates. Moreover, historically Iraq considers Kuwait an Iraqi possession.

    1. The first Gulf War was a response from the US that it did not – absolutely did not – could not have, or allow Iraq to control 25% of the worlds crude oil supply. And george blush senile did not want and could not win re election with an increase in US petrol/gas prices at the pump at the time of about $1 on a gallon.

    2. James Rueben himself stated, that it absolutely was about oil. [I think he’d have some idea]. Second gulf war.

    3. One does not have to be a politician, or in the know, or privy to Middle Eastern foreign policy, or be an oil expert to conclude oneself, that it was about oil.

    4. It is irrelevant where the revenues from initial oil production sales go. It is not about that revenue, which actually is meaningless -to be direct with you.
    It is about the supply and the cost of supply. The more crude oil supply there is, the lower the pricing. The cartel Opec cannot set a world price because there is a market for oil based upon prices of Brent and WTI for example. The cartel is effectively ignored, save the cartel increases or decreases supply from its members.

    5. Once you have crude oil all that happens is that it is refined into products. And it is the products where the price increases are made [if the market is free and not subsidized by Government].

  17. Paul Cook says:

    On the topic.
    Islam states the father does own his children. On divorce Fathers gain control of boys and for girls usually until they have their first period and then after that as well, unless the girl’s wish is to be with her mother or the ‘court’ otherwise decides.

    There are places where islamic child brides are sold, as young as 9, Saudi, Yemen and parts of islamic africa are just a few known examples.

    There is no human right or right to a childhood or logic or rationale in 2014 for this. But in the islamic calendar of 1435 its of course quite right and proper.

  18. Carl Kolotylo says:

    Sure it must be okay. The koran promotes it, the bible says incest is fine. And these self proclaimed spiritually correct fanatics say the secular community is evil because the have no moral compass…. Too funny.

  19. If you measure the age of the life of a society in centuries on its calendar, you can see that the Western world is entering its early twenties, where it’s obsessed (as many 20-year-olds are) with being Responsible and Adult, and Important, and throwing it’s pompous and pious weight around.

    Islam is currently going through its Princess Bitchface period, where it hates everyone who’s an adult and thinks it knows better, particularly fuddy-duddy old middle-aged Judaism, in its fifties.

  20. Barry Duke says:

    Hold you horses Paul Cook.

    Islam is “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,” according to Iftikhar Ahmad, of the London School of Islamics, who today sent me a 5,518 word email which, among other things, claims that “British teachers are chicken racist”; “The Muslims don’t want to integrate or abide by western law”; and – here’s a kicker:

    “Speaking English does not promote integration into British, American and Australian societies, and broaden opportunities.

    “English speaking Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist, thanks to state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers and English language.

    “English language is not only a lingua franca but also lingua frankensteinia. Human right are also covers linguistic right. Cultural and linguistic genocide are very common. British schooling is murdering community languages like Arabic, Urdu and others.

    “English is today the world killer language. Linguistic genocide is a crime against humanity and British schooling is guilty of committing this crime.”

    I gave up at this point because because wading through excrement is not my idea of 20 minutes well spent.

  21. barriejohn says:

    Are people aware of this story?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576961/Birmingham-school-dubbed-Trojan-Horse-Islamist-radicals-holds-assemblies-promoting-notorious-Al-Qaeda-recruitment-agent.html

    It appears on many internet sites, so is not just another Mail anti-Muslim rant. Apologies if someone has already linked to it elsewhere on the site!

  22. Paul Cook says:

    Barry Duke

    AGGGHHHH
    I read what you wrote. From that Nong. The button you need is DELETE

    Ok it took me less than a minute.
    You owe us 19 of decent reading.

  23. Avaggdu says:

    So the result of all the blood and treasure squandered in another imperial adventure east of Suez: islamists kiddie-fiddling while Iraq burns.

  24. barriejohn says:

    Barry: Yes, that’s obviously an update on the same story. One of their bones of contention, like Shiftykar, was that pupils should not be taught in English. I hope the following is not a wind-up, as you can never really tell:

    http://www.missionislam.com/homed/whatchildrentaught.htm

    The children were allowed to watch the videos of the kuffar like 101 Dalmatians with Glenn Close – which is full of music and is about dogs! I had taught our daughter to not listen to music, ever – and that dogs were dirty things that would not make an appropriate pet.

    When the children did something good they were rewarded with a big, cutout, smiley face – totally ignoring the Islamic injunction against drawing things with a soul. I had worked for years getting our daughter to understand that we should not draw people or animals, and instead she learned to do this in her Muslim school!

    Her classroom had both boys and girls in it so inevitably her friends were boys as well as girls. Granted, we knew both boys and girls would be in the class together, but we had no idea how much the boys and girls would really play with each other. Because some of the girls in her class were cliquish my daughter would befriend and play with the boys. The concept that we were really trying to get her to understand at home was that girls and boys should not play together. By putting her in a situation where the girls and boys were always together the inevitable was happening: that they would play together. Unfortunately, there was not the option of one sex classrooms at that age…

    Although my daughter’s classmates were all Sunni Muslims, Allhumdulilah, they way they were raised at home was sometimes questionable. From her classmates my daughter learned about the things of the Kuffar that she would never, ever have been exposed to from us. Her classmates played Pokemon, were interested in “Sailor Moon”, Superman, Batman etc.… and a variety of other things from the television. The children learned to value these things rather then aspire to be like the numerous good Muslims that they could have for role models.

    Brevity isn’t their strong point, is it?

  25. AgentCormac says:

    OT but our friend Bob ‘Potty’ Hutton has posted yet another truly offensive article which revels in ‘the fact’ that Bob Crow, the General Secretary of the Rail Maritime and Transport Union who died today aged just 52, is now, apparently, burning in hell. Not least because he held ‘communist views (which, of course runs counter to the Word of God)’. Bob has blocked me from posting comments on his loathsome little website, but if anyone else fancies telling him just how repugnant his views are you’d be doing a service to humanity.
    http://bobhutton1.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/and-yet-another-atheist-now-knows-he.html

  26. AgentCormac says:

    Sorry, OT yet again. But some of you fellow regulars may remember that last year The Freethinker highlighted the barminess of something called ‘The Real Easter Egg’. This is a bonkers xtian Alpha Course initiative designed to flog easter eggs which promote christianity to children through mainstream outlets, while masquerading as some kind of Fair Trade scheme. And if I remember rightly, enough of us left disparaging comments on their YouTube channel last year to make them shut it down. Well, this year they’re at it again. This time, however, they are claiming that easter eggs and easter bunnies were somehow invented by christians, rather than being the pagan festival of Eostre, the northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare.

    According to ‘The Real Easter Egg’ website, the ‘Real Meaning of Easter’ goes something like this:
    It would be hard to imagine Easter without eggs. But do you know why we eat them? On this page you can discover more about the very first Easter 2000 years ago, when Jesus died but came back to life. Easter eggs are a reminder of this Good News.

    Eggs are a symbol of hope and new life. Today billions of people all over the world believe that by dying and coming back to life Jesus gave people the chance to know God a new way.

    The friends of Jesus, called Christians, still follow him and know his love in their lives and you can too.

    More here, if you can stomach it.
    http://www.realeasteregg.co.uk/about-us

    In the meantime, let’s shut them down again if we get the chance.

  27. 1859 says:

    @Barriejohn: If all that you’ve quoted above is kosher, then, for me, it just underlines Dawkin’s point that such mental straight-jacketing of children is a form of child abuse. They are forcing their devisive, putrid, religious opinions down their own children’s throats – thoroughly sickening.

  28. Lest we forget …

    Yuletide is the pagan death-and-resurrection festival.

    Eostre is the pagan newborn-baby festival.

    So not only did xtianity not invent these festivals, it got it wrong when it pinched them.

  29. barriejohn says:

    1859: The site is taking it all at face value, and I know from my experience with some of the more “devout” Plymouth Brethren (even the “Open” variety) that many of them think much the same when it comes to insulating their children from reality. Have others been following the story of the German family (championed by Stephen Green) who have been granted American citizenship because they couldn’t home-school in Germany?

    http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/romeike-allowed-stay-united-states/

    They should, as you say, be prosecuted for child abuse.

  30. Paul Cook says:

    OT

    I think you have also ignored that Horus – the sky god sun and moon god – blah blah blah – the son of Isis the mother of all – was born on ummmm…. 25 December.

  31. 1859 says:

    @ barriejohn: After being allowed to remain in the US Mrs Remeike said – “….We have always been ready to go wherever the Lord would lead us—and I know my citizenship isn’t really on earth.”
    What chance have her ‘home-schooled’ kids got with a mother like this?

  32. barriejohn says:

    1859: I did notice that, and it’s the sort of bollocks that I heard all the time from the Brethren.

    “This world is not my home, I’m just a passin’ through;

    My treaures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue.

    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door,

    And I can’t feel at home in this world any more.”

    Where do you begin with people who think like that?

    PS I see that that genius Bob Hutton has now appended a comment to Robin’s article. I just KNOW that he saw the story here.

    I’ve no doubt that if this Christian family were a group of homos then they would have been granted asylum and citizenship in record time.

    It is good news that they have been allowed to stay, but a terrible blight upon Germany. Is Germany going to persecute Christians as they did the Jews?

    They WERE granted asylum and citizenship!

  33. Denis says:

    Harman and friends would presumably be all for it.

    “The NCCL argued “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage”, suggesting more harm was caused when the children retold their experiences in court or to the press. The submission was signed by Harriet Harman who later went on to become leader of the House of Commons and deputy leader of the Labour Party.”
    Martin Beckford
    Daily Telegraph March 2009