Gay marriage ban challenged ­– by NC pastors!

Gay marriage ban challenged ­– by NC pastors!

IN A startling move that’s horrified Christian fundies, a coalition of clergy members filed a federal lawsuit on Monday against North Carolina’s constitutional ban on gay marriage.

They havebeen accused of misusing the legal system to force their “errant beliefs” on the Bible belt state’s bigots.

NC Values Coalition executive director Tami Fitzgerald, who helped lead a clot of Christian and conservative groups supporting the state’s 2012 constitutional amendment, said the lawsuit is an attempt to void the will of voters who backed traditional marriage. Six in 10 voters backed changing North Carolina’s constitution. She wailed:

This is sadly, and predictably, the ‘lawsuit of the week’ filed by those who want to impose same-sex marriage on North Carolina. Moreover, it’s both ironic and sad that an entire religious denomination and its clergy who purport holding to Christian teachings on marriage would look to the courts to justify their errant beliefs.


Tami Fitzgerald

The clergy members said that they’d like to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies in their congregations, but that they can’t because of the “unjust law”. Their attorney, Jake Sussman, says it’s the only case to bring the First Amendment religious freedom claims among the more than 60 marriage equality cases pending in the nation’s state and federal courts.

Said the Rev J Bennett Guess, executive minister with the Cleveland-based United Church of Christ, which is a plaintiff in the lawsuit:

North Carolina’s marriage laws are a direct affront to freedom of religion. We feel that it is important that any person that comes into community life of a United Church of Christ congregation be afforded equal pastoral care and equal opportunity to religious services that clergy provide.

But in North Carolina, clergy are often faced with a troubling decision:

Whether to provide those services or break the law. That’s something no clergy member should be faced with.

Along with United Church of Christ, which has more than a million parishioners, a dozen clergy members and same sex-couples who want to marry were listed as plaintiffs. The defendants included North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper and several county district attorneys as well as five registers of deeds.

The US Supreme Court ruled last year that the federal government must recognise marriages of same-sex couples.

Seventeen states allow gay marriage, and federal judges have struck down bans in Michigan, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma and Virginia.

Meanwhile an American evangelic preacher and “historian”, David Barton suggested this week that America would be a better place if women were denied the vote.


David Barton

On an episode of his “WallBuilders Live,” David Barton – described as “the Ken Ham of US history” – explained that women were not given the right to vote when the Constitution was written because the Founding Fathers were trying to protect the institution of the family by giving every “family” a right to vote through the male head of the household.

And you have to remember back then, husband and wife, I mean the two were considered one. That is the biblical precept. That is the way they looked at them in the civil community. That is a family that is voting and so the head of the family is traditionally considered to be the husband and even biblically still continues to be so …

Now, as we’ve moved away from the family unit – you need to be independent from the family, don’t be chained down and be a mother and don’t be chained down and be a father and don’t be chained down to your parents, you know, we’ve moved into more of a family anarchy kind of thing, the ‘Modern Family’ kind of portrayal – that understanding has gone away.

Responding to a question from a listener who argued that the Founding Fathers denied women the right to vote not out of sexism but rather based on the biblical principle that a house divided against itself cannot stand, Barton said that this interpretation was exactly right because not allowing women to vote was designed “to keep the family together”.

18 responses to “Gay marriage ban challenged ­– by NC pastors!”

  1. Salky in MI says:

    I knew that was coming. Wanna bet ALEC, that bastion of GOP white male legislators backed by the Kochs, already has this legislation in the works, and is just waiting for abortion and contraception to be banned everywhere to get us into our proper place again?
    Of course the Founders weren’t sexist. How could it be,sexist to deny women education, the ability to own anything, or a vote? They were just looking out for us. I want to spit.

  2. Broga says:

    That Dave Barton. He isn’t safe to be allowed out by himself.

  3. Trevor Blake says:

    Mr. Barton might be interested to learn that it wasn’t quite the head of all families who could vote. Those who owned no land could not. Oh, and slaves. The Bible has much to say about slaves and slavery but never got around to saying ‘free all slaves and abolish slavery.’

  4. Ex Patriot says:

    Barton needs to pull his head out of wherever it is right now.He would like to go back and live in the dark ages.You don’t disenfranchise over 50% of the population just because of what is written some book of mythology.If he wants that he needs to go live in one of the shit holes in the middle east

  5. Bubba T Flubba says:

    The good ol US of A….land of the free where the rednecks roam and say what the goddam ever they like no matter how cretinous stupid primitive and divisive it is.

  6. barriejohn says:

    We’ve discussed Barking Barton here before:

  7. L.Long says:

    BUBBA…….”The good ol US of A….land of the free where the rednecks roam and say what the goddam ever they like no matter how cretinous stupid primitive and divisive it is.”
    But it is even worse than this! Because there are innumerable dumbassed cretinous hypocritical bigots who listen and agree with the various flavors of ‘david barton’. (I only capitalize proper names and there aint nothing proper about david barton.)

  8. AgentCormac says:

    Anybody who wears a shirt like that is clearly out of their mind and should be ignored at best. Preferably driven out of town at the pointy end of a pitchfork.

  9. charlie says:

    It is clowns like this that make me ashamed of being an American and my honorable service in the USMC. For this sort of absolute shit I gave four years and came close to death numerous times during my “all expenses paid southeast Asian vacation” (Vietnam war)? Horse shit. These clowns are sick bastards and the sooner they go back to the holes they crawled out of the better.
    If these fools ever get real power the world will suffer for it.
    Whatever legal means to stop them must be used now. This world cannot, must not tolerate this absolute bullshit.
    Sorry for my word choice today, but these fools just really piss me off to no end. They do NOT have even the faintest clue about US history at all. Who died and left them in charge? They make me sick and I have no problem telling them and their supporters so face to face. I refuse to back down to them.

  10. AgentCormac says:

    They make me sick and I have no problem telling them and their supporters so face to face. I refuse to back down to them.

    I admire you, charlie – well said, sir!

  11. Stonyground says:

    OK Christians, I understand that according to your take on your religion, being gay is a sin. All that you have to do to comply with your religion’s rules, as you see them, is not be gay yourself, that is all. If someone else, even someone who claims to be of your religion but has a different take on it, wants to be gay or wants to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples, there is no need for you to get involved. In short, it is none of your business. God is quite capable of sorting the sheep from the goats on his own without any help from you.

    As for the Biblical version of the family. For God’s sake read the effing Bible first, before pontificating on what you imagine it would have said had you actually read it. Idiot.

  12. charlie says:

    re; Stonyground,
    I have always wondered, even in my days of having to attend church/Sunday school(?) why I was supposed to do doG’s work. After all, he/she/it is supposed to be this all powerful, all knowing, etc. If doG is so bloody powerful, why does doG need little old me (OK not quite so little, 6’3″ tall{not sure how that is in metric})to do doG’s work. I figure if doG was never around to help me do my work, I was not going to do his/hers/its. I’ll never understand why these religious clowns of any brand of religion act as if they MUST do their doG’s work. An all powerful critter that needs me to do its work is NOT so all powerful in my (not so) humble opinion.

  13. Robster says:

    “… you know, we’ve moved into more of a family anarchy kind of thing, the ‘Modern Family’ kind of portrayal – that understanding has gone away”…errr wot? Speak English for god’s sake.

  14. Matt Westwood says:

    @Robster: And I’ll add that there is *nothing* anarchic about the family structures in Modern Family — the *only* remotely unconventional thing about it is that Mitch and Cam are gay.

  15. Stonyground says:

    6’3″ = 1.905M Charlie.

    For anyone who doesn’t know “Modern Family” is a US sitcom about an extended family. As Matt said, the family includes a gay couple with an adopted daughter and an older guy with a much younger wife but is otherwise fairly ordinary.

  16. Stuart H. says:

    Have to agree with AgentCormac about the shirt.
    And doesn’t Barton’s supposed instruction manual have something to say about mixed fibres, not to mention a True Patriot wearing goods made in faraway countries dominated by the Godless Commie?

  17. Matt Westwood says:

    @Stonyground: Oh yeah, don’t forget a) that the older guy is played by the same dude that played Al Bundy in Married With Children, and b) that his wife is (*gasp*) Colombian … both of which make this household, in the eyes of many Americans, seriously fucked up.