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Anti-booze Muslim group banned

Anti-booze Muslim group banned

AN  Islamist group that marched in Brick Lane against the sale of alcohol has been banned by the Government, making membership a criminal offence.

The Shariah Project was among three groups proscribed by the Home Office this week for fronting a banned “terrorist organisation” which keeps changing its name to avoid prosecution.

The Shariah Project demonstration in Brick Lane last December, led by members in Whitechapel, saw hate preacher Anjem Choudhury tell Muslims to “fear Allah” and stop selling alcohol, which the group said is “destroying society”.

But Muslim off-licence owners and restaurateurs hit back at the group, saying they would continue to sell alcohol if they wished, and would not be told how to practice their religion by Choudhury.

Kabir Hussain, 38, who works in a Brick Lane restaurant, said:

This guy’s coming trying to teach us about our religion. I told him to preach somewhere else. We are Muslims, we are not drinking. But we can’t stop other people drinking. It’s your choice.

Azmal Hussain, 62, chair of Brick Lane caterers association, confronted Mr Choudary as the march fizzled out.

I told him, ‘shut up, I really mean it’. This is for us a livelihood, our bread and butter. I’m not drinking, but he’s saying we can’t serve it.

Malique Shah, 45, who has worked in a Brick Lane off-licence for 20 years, said:

If we didn’t sell alcohol we couldn’t stay here. In one week we would have to close shop and go away … Brick Lane is a famous place and many different people come here. Without alcohol Brick Lane will be dead.

Perfect

Salman Farsi from the London Muslim Centre said:

While Islam may prohibit the consumption and sale of alcohol for Muslims, it is not for any particular groups to impose those views on others, nor bully other communities.

Security Minister James Brokenshire, announcing the ban, said:

Terrorist organisations should not be allowed to escape proscription simply by acting under a different name. That is why we have laid an order which will recognise Need4Khilafah, The Shariah Project and the Islamic Dawah Association as aliases of the group already proscribed as both Al Ghurabaa and The Saved Sect. The group is also known as Al Muhajiroun.

This means being a member of or supporting the organisation is a criminal offence.

Al Ghurabaa was first banned in 2006 for glorifying terrorism, including at a famous protest in London against cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published in Denmark the year before.

A study in 2012 by the Henry Jackson Society found that 18 per cent of all terrorism convictions in the UK over a ten year period were of people with links to the group.

Members of the group verbally abused returning soldiers at a protest in Wootten Basset in 2009, an incident which helped spark the formation of the English Defence League.

Three men linked to the group were jailed in December for terrorising members of the public in the East End as part of what they called “Muslim Patrols”.

• The top photograph shows Abdul Muhid from Whitechapel campaigning against the drinking and sale of alcohol. Photo: David Mirzoeff

30 responses to “Anti-booze Muslim group banned”

  1. barriejohn says:

    Islam is perfect nonsense.

    If you see this man please inform the authorities. Do not approach him as brain damage may ensue.

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers.php?showme=1369

  2. Angela_K says:

    The Burqa clad woman who is too stupid to realise she is oppressed by her religion has left out the word “ignorant” between all and mankind.

    Barriejohn, I laughed like mad when our copy of Private Eye dropped through the letterbox and saw the cover; Brian does seem to have a love affair with islam.

  3. Roy Gleeson says:

    Crazy stuff as usual 😉

  4. Broga says:

    @Angela_K: I thought that was funny as well. Perhaps this is Brian following his defender of faiths nonsense. I think he also enjoys trips on luxury yachts funded by people of an Islamic tendency. I don’t think he ever does anything that the rest of us would regard as work. But then neither do the rest of them.

  5. Brian Jordan says:

    ,iAl Ghurabaa was first banned in 2006 for glorifying terrorism, including at a famous protest in London against cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published in Denmark the year before.
    Infamous, rather?

  6. Matt Westwood says:

    I spent a week in Amman, Jordan just recently, and they seem more tolerant of Western society than “we” are. You can wear what you like, drink what you like (although many restaurants choose not to serve booze), eat what you like (except you don’t get pig products) and worship how and when and not-at-all-if you like . Seems like the most militant of the shitheaded arsehole Muslims fetch up on our shores. No wonder Hook-Hand doesn’t feel comfortable there.

  7. Chris Ranmore says:

    I wonder whether it has ever occurred to the women holding the placard that it’s odd that most Muslim countries are undeveloped, corrupt and poor whilst all the successful developed countries are not Muslim.

  8. barriejohn says:

    Al-Ghurabaa and the Saved Sect were named earlier this year as the organisers of the protests outside the Danish Embassy in London against cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad.

    Some protesters held placards with slogans such as “massacre those who insult Islam”.

    Speaking on BBC News 24, Anjem Choudary, spokesman for Al-Ghurabaa, was asked whether his organisation would defend a suicide attack on British soil.

    “We’ve always been on record as saying that we have a covenant of security in Britain,” he said.

    “We are not allowed to target anyone in this country because we live with them. Our life and wealth is protected.

    “But I feel that with these new laws which are now being introduced, if you are going to ban ideological and political movements like Al-Ghurabaa and the Saved Sect, than that situation, I think, is going to be affected.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5188136.stm

    We’re not saying that we support it, but if it happened we might say that it was your own fault. Weasel words from Choudary again.

  9. barriejohn says:

    BTW That last report was from 2006, when the ban came into force (as stated above).

    This is really riveting, Don’t watch for too long or permanent damage might ensue!

    http://youtu.be/wthXBCc_kx0

    Does religion turn the brain to slush, or is it that dimwitted morons attracted to religion in the first place? I still ponder that question almost daily.

  10. Barry Duke says:

    One minutes and 14 seconds into that video, both my dogs got off the sofa, threw me a dirty looks and went to hide under the bed. I joined them.

  11. AgentCormac says:

    @ barriejohn

    Aren’t you the living answer to your own question? While I obviously don’t know you personally, you seem to be a perfectly rational, intelligent and articulate person. Your own ensnarement by and involvement with the brethren, followed by your eventual escape to the ‘light side’, surely proves that religion isn’t the refuge of ‘dimwitted morons’ but a trap set by those who would take away all those attributes I have just listed. You were clearly strong enough to get out before your mind had been completely pulverised – and I salute you for it, sir.

  12. barriejohn says:

    Here’s another one taking the law into his own hands, and the sad thing is that he won’t be able to see what he did wrong:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672538/Muslim-man-murders-pregnant-prostitute-working-near-mosque.html

  13. AgentCormac says:

    @ barriejohn

    Typical Daily Hate Mail double standards – immigrant prostitutes plying their trade outside a ‘proper’ place of worship (ie a good old CofE church) would be an absolute bloody outrage.

  14. L.Long says:

    Salman Farsi from the London Muslim Centre said:
    While Islam may prohibit the consumption and sale of alcohol for Muslims, it is not for any particular groups to impose those views on others, nor bully other communities…..This is pure absolute BS, as shown by their very actions, just as for xtian their mythic jesus said -do not convert others thru force but thru the example of your life….which is the one thing they don’t do.
    All religions are about political force being applied to force their BS down everyone’s throat.
    Religion is just like a lovely dick. Go ahead and play with it as it does feel good, just do it in private!!!

  15. barriejohn says:

    L. Long: You’re SO right! There have been umpteen cases where local Christian leaders have orchestrated opposition to so-called sex shops opening near their churches (often under the guise of protecting children in nearby schools, though from what nobody can be quite sure) , and here in Lymington there was a huge campaign against Wetherspoon’s opening next door to the parish church, which thankfully had no effect upon the authorities.

    http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9581443.Vicar_campaigns_against_Wetherspoon_s_pub/

    PS This is the same vicar who is surreptitiously encouraging parishioners to get themselves voted onto the governing bodies of local schools, as I’ve said before. Good to see that “everything is in God’s hands”, isn’t it?

  16. barriejohn says:

    Actually, it was AgentCormac’s comment to which I was responding, though I do agree with L. Long as well. Oh, well; c’est la vie, I suppose!

  17. Paul Cook says:

    Islam does not prevent consumption of alcohol at all – it says don’t abuse ‘your body’ (by putting poisons inside).

    Funny then why the Sufi’s ‘poetry’ contains do many joyful references to the consumption of wine. (Conference of the Birds etc).

    If Islam is the perfect thing for mankind how come 20% of the koran is Incomprehensible – rote learning it is meaningless and the behaviour of robotic sad thoughtless stupid clowns.

  18. AgentCormac says:

    Shouldn’t that idiot’s placard say ‘Isalm is a defect system for mankind’? Hang on, who the hell let a woman have an opinion on something? Stone the bitch to death!!!!

  19. barriejohn says:

    AC: I have known personally many highly intelligent people who seem completely ensnared by religious belief. One of them is now a professor of cardiology, yet to the best of my knowledge he still believes that the world was created in six days as stated in Genesis Chapter One. This is completely beyond my undestanding, but he was brought up in an intensely religious household so that has to be the explanation.

  20. The Vicar says:

    This is actually a funny commentary on you Brits. (Forgive me, but being an American I’m used to being the butt of this sort of thing, rather than being amused by it.)

    Violent protests? No big deal.

    Harassing passers-by with “patrols”? We can live with that.

    Try to eliminate drunkenness? INTOLERABLE! WHAT AN OUTRAGE! YOUR GROUP IS BANNED!

  21. Matt Westwood says:

    @The Vicar: Entirely agree, it’s good that this derision goes two ways.

    However, it’s worth pointing out that (although not stated in this article) the group in question have been physically intimidating (to the point of actually physical bodily harm) people they have encountered in “their” streets with alcohol on them. I have a feeling that if all they’ve been doing is shouting and waving their banners and placards they might have been ignored — but physical attack is something we Brits won’t tolerate.

  22. Robster says:

    Surely it’s in the interest of those wanting to see the demise of Western civilization for the infidels to drink booze. If it’s as bad as the muzzies say then we’re all doomed anyway. Their plan for world domination will be taken care of by the infidels and our love of booze. Every time I read of Islam and the consumption of alcohol I can’t help but think of that outrageously funny episode of Yes Minister when they’re in the middle east at a function where they can’t drink but they do and it’s sooo funny.

  23. barriejohn says:

    The Vicar: I think you’re a bit confused. Al Ghurabaa WAS proscribed because of the protests and street patrols, and it is the SAME PEOPLE who have been protesting over the sale of alcohol – now calling themselves The Shariah Project. Anyway, they’re not “trying to eliminate drunkenness” as you say, but trying to ban the consumption of alcohol, which is a different thing entirely!

  24. The Vicar says:

    @barriejohn:

    Ah, but if you read all the sources reporting on their behavior carefully, this group was doing “morality” patrols and hassling people BEFORE they decided to go after alcohol specifically, and it didn’t cause them to get banned.

    (I admit that the ban is almost certainly because of EVERYTHING they did, and the process of thinking about doing it probably began much earlier. So what? It’s still funny.)

  25. barriejohn says:

    The Shariah Project was among three groups proscribed by the Home Office yesterday for being front groups for a banned “terrorist organisation” which keeps changing its name to avoid prosecution….

    Security Minister James Brokenshire, announcing the ban, said: “Terrorist organisations should not be allowed to escape proscription simply by acting under a different name….

    Three men linked to the group were jailed in December for terrorising members of the public in the East End as part of what they called “Muslim Patrols”.

    The only funny thing to me is that they claim that alcohol consumption is somehow “destroying society” whereas blowing up buses, beheading people in the street and sending young men to engage in civil war isn’t!

  26. Bubba T Flubba says:

    Islam says don’t abuse ‘your body’ by putting poisons inside.
    Yeah right……islam is the poison inside …. it is the most potent of poisons and it kills thousands of people every year.

  27. barriejohn says:

    Pondering upon this ludicrous “destroying society” allegation, I was reminiscing how, when I was a boy, the culinary highlight of the week was having Corona fizzy drinks (delivered by lorry!) with our meals at the weekend. Now, the consumption of wine (which would have been considered a “right poncy” thing by many in those days) is common, and even fundamentalist Christians see nothing wrong with it in many cases, to my knowledge. I had an uncle who was an alcoholic, so I do realize that there are dangers, but I think that the attitudes of the religious often say more about them than those whom they attack. Most men manage to walk down the street on a hot summer day without molesting any of the scantily-clad women whom they come across, or sit on the beach without needing to rip off the bikinis of the nearest nubile young maidens, so what on earth is gong on in the mind of someone who thinks that every square inch of bare female flesh needs to be covered up to prevent rape? “I had to get blind drunk because Tesco had lager on display.” “I had to molest the woman because I caught a glimpse of her wrist.” I’m coming back to the old question: are their brains wired differently, or does religion affect the way that you brain works?

  28. Barry Duke says:

    Perhaps The Shariah Project should concentrate their efforts more on Muslim countries.

    “2012 study finds alcohol consumption has nearly doubled in the Muslim world between 2001 and 2011, and the rise in alcohol-sales is “unlikely to be accounted for by non-Muslims and foreigners alone.” In fact, Muslims have played a “direct” role in the rise of alcohol consumption, and drinking alcohol is “becoming a common part of many lives in the Islamic world.”

    Unrelated by interesting:

    “According to the study [cited by the Alriyadyh Arabic language daily], Arab countries spend more than $10 billion on Viagra and other anti-impotence medicines every year and that Saudi Arabia [ranked sixth largest consumer of sex drugs] alone spends over $1.5 billion [10 times more than Russia although the population in Russia is more than 10 times the Saudis]. It is followed by Egypt and the UAE, which spend about $one billion and $500 million respectively.”

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Alcohol_and_Drugs

  29. Vanity Unfair says:

    Alcohol in the Quran is a tricky subject. There are some verses allowing it, one banning and one allowing it in moderation. The list I have found follows this post. It is not inspiring reading but then my favourite definition of poetry is “that which is lost in translation.” There are hadiths about Mohammed drinking and washing in wine. Alcohol is, after all, an antiseptic. I have not collected these but feel free to look. The website I used is http://www.noblequran.com/translation. You didn’t think I did this from memory, did you?
    I particularly like the comment ” (this was before the order of the prohibition of the alcoholic drinks)”. Does this mean that Allah changed Its mind? Surely not?
    Incidentally, as the Quran is not set out in anything like chronological order no notice should be taken of the order of the verses here.

    Interpretation of the Meanings of
    The Noble Quran
    Published by Dar-us-Salam Publications

    76. Surah Al-Insan (Man or Time)
    5. Verily, the Abrar (pious, who fear Allah and avoid evil), shall drink a cup (of wine) mixed with water from a spring in Paradise called Kafur. 6. A spring wherefrom the slaves of Allah will drink, causing it to gush forth abundantly. 7. They (are those who) fulfill (their) vows, and they fear a Day whose evil will be wide-spreading…….12. And their recompense shall be Paradise, and silken garments, because they were patient……17. And they will be given to drink there a cup (of wine) mixed with Zanjabil (ginger, etc.),

    83. Surah Al-Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud)
    22. Verily, Al-Abrar (the pious who fear Allah and avoid evil) will be in delight (Paradise). 23. On thrones, looking (at all things). 24. You will recognise in their faces the brightness of delight. 25. They will be given to drink pure sealed wine. 26. The last thereof (that wine) will be the smell of musk, and for this let (all) those strive who want to strive (i.e. hasten earnestly to the obedience of Allah). 27. It (that wine) will be mixed with Tasnim. 28. A spring whereof drink those nearest to Allah.

    16. Surah An-Nahl (The Bees)
    64. And We have not sent down the Book (the Qur’an) to you (O Muhammad ), except that you may explain clearly unto them those things in which they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a folk who believe. ……67. And from the fruits of date-palms and grapes, you derive strong drink (this was before the order of the prohibition of the alcoholic drinks) and a goodly provision. Verily, therein is indeed a sign for people who have wisdom.

    5. Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread with Food)
    90. O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), gambling, Al-Ansab , and Al-Azlam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaitan’s (Satan) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful. 91. Shaitan (Satan) wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from As-Salat (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain?

    Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
    219. They ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: “In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit.” And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: “That which is beyond your needs.” Thus Allah makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought.”

  30. barriejohn says:

    Vanity Unfair: That’s funny – the Bible has contradictory views on the consumption of alcohol as well, and Christians also excuse certain types of behaviour by alluding to the fact that they took place before certain commandments had been given or after certain commandments had been rescinded. Could it be that their holy books are NOT the inspired word of their gods after all?