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Secular agenda is a Christian’s nightmare

Secular agenda is a Christian’s nightmare

‘What the atheists lack in numbers, they certainly make up for in terms of their influence and boldness. They understand that their beliefs are a worldview they are determined to impose on everyone else.’

Those were the words written by the Christian Institute’s Chief Executive Colin Hart, above, earlier this year. He went on to declare:

The secularist’s dream – and our nightmare – is of a nation whose public life is emptied of all Christian belief.

Hart is on his high horse again – this time over Government plans to force independent schools to teach British values including:

Tolerance of those of different faiths.

The Christian Institute think-tank claims that the Department for Education’s (DfE) plans will have “serious and perverse consequences” and is mounting a judicial review against the six-week consultation process as a result.

Former education secretary Michael Gove put forward proposals to force all schools to “actively promote clear British values” in the wake of the Trojan Horse plot, which revealed a number of Birmingham schools’ involved in efforts to coordinate the teaching of Islamist views.

The government is introducing new standards requiring independent schools not to undermine the values of democracy, rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance for those with different faiths and beliefs.

Hart said:

This is a classic case of the government over-reacting to a perceived problem. They are shocking in their breadth and range and would destroy the independent sector.

They mistakenly advance the principle that political correctness equals British values.

Hart said the changes would result in punishment for any school which has a

Religious ethos, a set of traditional beliefs, or who don’t over promote every minority group’s world view.

He added:

Under the plans, private schools, academies and free schools would have much less control over their ethos than ordinary state schools.

The government has denied the Institute’s claim that the reforms would prevent teachers using gender-specific terms like “mother” or “father” – or that Christmas would have to be downgraded in independent schools. A DfE spokesperson said:

The Independent School Standards are designed to ensure every school prepares children for life in modern Britain. We make no apology for demanding high standards and the promotion of tolerance and respect of all faiths and cultures.

Secularists believe parental demand is the driving force behind the enduring presence of religion in schools. Many are now hoping the government’s response to the Trojan Horse scandal could be used to roll back the influence of Christianity, in particular, on education in England and Wales.

Stephen Evans of the National Secular Society said:

The Christian Institute has characteristically over-reacted to the government’s proposals. Throughout all aspects of education there should be an emphasis on the basic values that underpin a free, equal and progressive society.

Schools have long been regarded by some as places where it is legitimate to promote and seek to instil particular religious beliefs in children and young people.

The new standards start to address some of the worst excesses of that, so it’s not surprising that those who want to use schools to promote their own dogmatic beliefs are resisting the changes.

Hat tip: BarrieJohn

 

20 responses to “Secular agenda is a Christian’s nightmare”

  1. Brummie says:

    On the corner of my road is a catholic primary school which advertised an open day recently, with many posters outside.
    “Through Jesus, we achieve our very best”.
    “Are you looking for a place in a Catholic School which promotes a strong Christian ethos?”.
    All told, 29 words on the poster about religion. None about Education.
    All quite legal.

  2. Norman Paterson says:

    Hart says: […] who don’t over promote every minority group’s world view.

    He cannot distinguish between promoting world views and promoting tolerance for those with different world views — which of course requires some knowledge of different world views. He is a perfect example of what’s wrong with the current arrangements.

  3. Brian Jordan says:

    According to the NSS’s account, the Christian Institute is complaining that children will be compulsorily trailed around churches, mosques, temples and the like. Here I would agree with them, because in the past such tours have had a significant proselytising element. Without this, of course, the visit is little more – and probably less educational – than a trip to the zoo. Children can be shown what goes on in these places without needing to visit them and having their minds subjected to their theatre: the thin edge of the proselytising wedge.
    So bravo, Christian Institute, let’s nip it in the bud – but don’t forget to close your Christian churches to school visits along with the other places.

  4. Paul Cook says:

    Let us call this as it is. The man is an imbecile. His comments puerile and shows how frightened they are of their dumb facile belief system and that it should seriously be eroded each and every minute of every day until we are all free.

    What part of this doesn’t mean any of the moronic sky god death cult religions?
    “They understand that their beliefs are a worldview they are determined to impose on everyone else.”

    I speak for myself but I don’t believe in fairy tales, in a sky god and I don’t believe my life is empty or that this life is shit. And that a ‘next life’ will be much better in a cloud filled place full of milk and honey.

    This is my life. This is it. It is wonderful to live without a belief, I am not living like an immoral coward designating and abrogating my morals to a fictional sky creature, but my life is filled with reason, tolerance, logic and understanding of humanity and this world.

  5. barriejohn says:

    Paul Cook: Well put. This guy is seriouly confused. He thinks that children should be protected from religious indoctrination …unless it be of the Christian variety! As others have said: these people have no idea what education is really about.

    Incidentally, did anyone else nearly fall off their chair last night when they heard Vincent Nichols asking for more help for the victims of ISIS on the grounds of the “shared humanity” which we have “deep down”? What? No heretics and atheists who are “not fully human” then? No “We have to do good works and help others because that’s what Jesus told us to do”? I fear that the poor old chap may be losing his faith. Let us all pray for him.

    http://www.itv.com/news/search/?q=vincent+nichols

  6. Matt Westwood says:

    Unfortunately, the concept of tolerance for the point of view of the superstitions of a different tribe is deeply unfashionable at the moment. The de rigueur behaviours and attitudes of the current prevailing mindset are those where it is acceptable, nay, laudable and recommended, that you kill the children of the opposing tribe.

    (Note that I did *not* say “murdering” as I was taken to task by a devout fascist the other day for using the word in relation to a strip of land next to Sinai; apparently you can only legitimately use the word “murder” when the death in question has been evaluated to be such in a court of law. So no more talk of “murdering children” — such language is unnecessarily emotive and inflammatory. Instead the term “collateral terminations” is to be used at all times, otherwise we’re not going to be able to get away with the essential task of clearing large land masses of the tribes we don’t like.)

  7. Broga says:

    I didn’t hear Nichols but when the religious make these comments there is always a sonorous, preachy tone as if their opinion is more telling because they are a priest. What it is, of course, is their usual attempt to inveigle their beliefs into any remaining niche.

    As the tide of faith ebbs they rely increasingly on tragedies to spin their superstition.

  8. Graeme Kemp says:

    Atheism isn’t a “worldview”, despite what Colin Hart says. It’s a response to the question: does a god exist?

    Atheism is also not the same thing either as ‘secularism’, either, which means separation of church and state (and state-run bodies).

    Anyway, secularism is sometimes supported by religious followers, who don’t want some other sect’s views imposed on their kids in a school, for instance.

    Is atheism or secularism ever (in a democracy) “imposed” on people? Hardly. However, religion often is.

    Even is a secular state, those with religious views can still promote their views and speak out; they just can’t do it with the state’s help (or money).

    It takes a worried Colin Hart to sing a worried song………..

  9. barriejohn says:

    Broga: You can listen to him if you follow the link, but you’re absolutely correct!

  10. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Thanks.

  11. tony e says:

    “They understand that their beliefs are a worldview they are determined to impose on everyone else.”

    So he obviously does not understand the word ‘irony’?

  12. AgentCormac says:

    ‘…their beliefs are a worldview they are determined to impose on everyone else.’

    And there’s me thinking that’s precisely what religious brands have been doing for the past 2,000 years or so.

  13. Ivan says:

    In a nutshell, what he’s saying is that stopping them (Muslims) from teaching children their hateful bigotry will stop us (Christians) from teaching children our hateful bigotry.

    As good an argument against religious schools as I’ve ever heard.

  14. Brummie says:

    Hear hear Ivan.

  15. 1859 says:

    At the very centre of this ‘dispute’ is the same age-old crap those who are religious have always promoted – and that is you can only teach ‘good’ moral behaviour through the medium of religion – through the medium of organised superstition. It makes me want to puke! And why are the religionists so intent in keeping their foothold in the education system? Because they know only too well that if they are absent children may begin to think for themselves and – O FUCK! – DOUBT the religious fairy story. You do not need the ten commandments to live a life that respects others. The religious should be barred from going within ten miles of every school. Schools should be strictly secular as they are in France – and I don’t see French children sinking into the mire of moral depravity because they never attended religious schools. It’s time to free children from god-loving fascists!

  16. Robster says:

    “Faith Schools” now there’s a contradiction, teaching kids to believe in something that is without evidence, can that be called education? No, it’s superstitious nonsense and has no place in schools. Schools teach the truth not fairy tales designed to placate people scared of death and sex and women and fun and….freedom.

  17. Paul Cook says:

    1859

    the best example of less religion more sense in non-belief is actually Germany.

  18. 1859 says:

    I lived many years in Germany and I agree – very open-minded,very secular and down-to-earth, and far more egalitarian than any other European country I lived in…but somehow I could never make it feel like my ‘home’…

  19. Vanity Unfair says:

    If you’re going to teach religion then you really have to teach the lot so that the student can fully respect and tolerate those with different faiths and beliefs.
    The genocide of the Old Testament and the revivification of Jairus’s daughter.
    The four of the Ten Commandments that make sense and the hundreds of others that don’t.
    The uncountable hordes of only true gods.
    The variation of instructions from infallible gods when the prophet’s needs changed.
    The internal contradictions.
    The external contradictions.
    After that you won’t need to teach anything about atheism.

  20. barriejohn says:

    Vanity Unfair: There are no contradictions in the Bible. You are just reading it the wrong way!

    It’s theology, Rox. In fact it’s historicist theology. Don’t even begin to try to understand it.

    Do what I do, have faith in Jesus Christ, read through the Bible in a year using the Christian Voice Bible reading plan, do it again and again and let God teach you his own theology.

    Birdshit Green (c650 – 715 AD)

    http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/baroness-warsi-resigns-gaza/