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Jewish misogynists disrupt El Al flight

Jewish misogynists disrupt El Al flight

The problem began when a group of Haredi men bound for Israel last Wednesday to celebrate the Jewish New Year refused to sit next to female passengers on the plane.

Why they were on the plane to begin with is a bit of a mystery, because Orthodox Jews were specifically told in 2009 to boycott El Al. Rabbi Yitzhak Goldknopf said they should fly with airlines that only screen:

Movies showing water and scenery, and not dirty movies.

But back to last week’s flight, described by one passenger as:

An 11-hour nightmare.

First the flight was delayed because The Men in Black refused to be seated next to females. Regular passengers claimed that hundreds of the ultra-Orthodox men demanded that they trade places with them before takeoff, saying they could not possibly sit next to women.

Their behaviour not only delayed the flight, but caused actual chaos. Said one passenger, Amit Ben-Natan, who snapped the picture (inset) above:

People stood in the aisles and refused to go forward. Although everyone had tickets with seat numbers that they purchased in advance, they asked us to trade seats with them, and even offered to pay money, since they cannot sit next to a woman. It was obvious that the plane wouldn’t take off as long as they kept standing in the aisles.

Passengers claimed that though the El Al flight crew informed them they did not have to agree to a switch, the flight’s captain said over the PA system that the flight would not take off as long as people were standing.

Said Bar Natan:

This is completely inconsiderate of the non-Haredi travelers. I don’t know many airlines that would allow their passengers to act like that.

Galit, another traveler on the flight, said the ultra-orthodox passengers suggested she and her spouse split up to better accommodate their desired seating arrangements. She angrily declared:

Why should I agree to switch places?

After she refused, the haredi man reluctantly plonked himself down next to her. But:

He jumped out of his seat the moment we had finished taking off and proceeded to stand in the isle.

After takeoff a large portion of the haredi travelers took to the aisles to pray which, according to their fellow travelers, crowded the aisles and caused the flight to be unbearable. Galit said:

I went to the bathroom and it was a mission impossible, the noise was endless.

In response, El Al promised to look into the issue, saying:

El Al does everything it can to give its passengers the best possible service year-round. These days bring with them a peak in air traffic to Israel, and our crews on the ground and in the air are doing the best they can to address the needs and requests of all our travelers while trying not to fall behind schedule.

The company will examine the complaints and if some passengers are found to have acted out of line the company will examine its future steps.

A while back a frequent flier and blogger Ze’ev Back (who works in Israel), was reported here as saying:

El Al goes out of their way to accommodate extremely religious Jews to a fault. Flights are delayed because these fanatic Jews refuse to take their seat next to a woman. The air companies are afraid to lose this clients or be accused of antisemitism, so instead of throwing their suitcase out of the plane and leave them behind – the flight attendants start going down the aisle looking for a volunteer to swap seats. In the meantime the pilot loses its slot and has to wait for a new allocated slot, damaging everybody in the name of their religion.

Perhaps the answer is to issue all Haredi travellers with all-encompassing plastic bags as protection against women.

bags

Hat tip: Michael Cohen.

 

33 responses to “Jewish misogynists disrupt El Al flight”

  1. L.Long says:

    The only way the plastic bags would work is if they contained O2 tanks as a non-air tight bag would still let women cooties in. But an air-tight bag without O2 tanks would also solve a lot more problems.
    Also want to get to the bathroom really fast? Pull up your dress and threaten to rub the dimwits with your woman parts, and watch the stampede try to get out of your way. These males are NOT MEN!! The are dimwitted children with the brains that make cockroaches look smart.
    And some wonder why so many don’t fly! Nice thing about trains is that you can throw people like this off and not feel to bad about it. Religious privilege is such a stupid concept that calling it stupid would be a compliment.

  2. Broga says:

    Bloody Hell. My son is an airline captain and as atheist as I am. I can guarantee that on his flight these bigots would have an “interesting” response.

  3. barriejohn says:

    Like their idiotic dress, their funny beards, their straggly hair, their swaying and chanting, and their stupid phylacteries, this has PLEASE LOOK AT ME BECAUSE I’M DIFFERENT written all over it. You may wonder where in the Bible they get this from, and the answer is nowhere in particular, as they can add just what they like to the commandments that they were given by ….. (ssshhh – mustn’t mention his name!). The following is very interesting but deeply depressing, I fear:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Judaism

  4. Pete H says:

    They should have all been put off the plane if they refused to take their seats – anyone else without a weird religious excuse would have been.

    As annoying and stupid as this is, part of me can’t help being amused at the thought of dozens of these idiots unfastening their seat belts at the first possible opportunity and bolting from their seats to get away from what ailed them – “Uuurgh, women!” That’s how six-year-old boys feel about girls, not how grown men feel about women. Anyone would think they’d been asked to sit next to people infected with Ebola.

    But what would I know? I’m just a normal, well-adjusted man who loves women.

  5. Paul Cook says:

    Is this the horn blowing mob that a YouTube link was posted here some time ago? Which was absolutely hilarious.

    Hope they didn’t travel on a Friday.

  6. Richard Greenyer says:

    Laughable, ridiculous you can only imagine the laws that these people would want to enforce on you, were they to enjoy political power.

  7. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Spot on. They do want attention: look at me because I am special. And their group think and numbers provide them with a sense of protection.

    Does these men have sex with women? That requires a hell of a lot more than sitting beside a woman. And what is the behaviour of the woman required to be? Lie still and think of Israel?

    Or are they produced by virgin birth? Do they have mothers? Or sisters?

  8. Ex Patriot says:

    This just again proves that religion is a big pain in the ass, all of them , not just this bunch of brain dead idiots. I would think among all that were there that there might have a been one or two working brain cells. I am proud to be an atheist.

  9. jay says:

    Recently there have been a few incidents of passengers fighting in planes and the flights were diverted and arrests were made. Why was this even tolerated at all?

  10. Lon says:

    Abrahamic monotheists, what a disgusting bunch? Please pass the chitlins…

  11. Stephen Turner says:

    A lot of airlines let people reserve seats together. But you might have to pay for that!

    These people shouldn’t be allowed out in public.

  12. barriejohn says:

    Stephen Turner: Yes, of course. Don’t tell me that they didn’t plan this, because I wouldn’t believe it!

  13. AgentCormac says:

    These people shouldn’t be allowed on a plane. At all. Ever. They belong in the Stone Age. There were no planes in the Stone Age. Let them get to wherever the fuck it is they want to get to by donkey instead (presumably while their wives trudge a good distance behind them). That way they can abide by their colossally stupid beliefs without bothering the rest of us who are perfectly happy living in the 21st century. Seriously, they can’t have it both ways. Either live in the Stone Age or live on the 21st century. And I have to say, if I’d been a passenger on that flight I would have happily been arrested for air rage. In fact I would have regarded it as my duty to get arrested for air rage.

  14. Toto says:

    These are the people who want to negate everything good in human nature….they are a bad as the muslims. They want to bring on terminal global conflict. They want destruction and turmoil. No chance for peace on earth whilst the pious walk upon its surface.

  15. Broga says:

    @Toto: As Christopher Hitchens so truly wrote, “Religion poisons everything.”

  16. John Coffin says:

    Theoretically, if the seating is so bloody important to these morons, they could reserve seating arrangements that matched their superstition. It sounds as if they are deliberately disrupting the lives of sane Jews.

    They do the same by trying to segregate public spaces and transportation in Israel (and New York); by harassing children who aren’t following THEIR bizarre dress-codes—are we supposed to believe that Moses dressed like a Medieval Polish land-owner?

    PS: the plastic bags, I recall from previous reports, have something to do with flying over ‘inappropriate’ places, or on the sabbath, or some other damn’ lunacy.

    PPS: Even worse, many of these Haredi sects actually reject the right of existence to the state of Israel, as it wasn’t founded by the Messiah!

  17. Robster says:

    What do these wallies do when sexual desire rears its head? assuming that is, that they do get some sort of sexual desire. If they can’t sit beside a woman or walk on the same side of the street as a female, sex must be way out. Do they bonk? How do they reproduce? They must all be as camp as a row of tents if blokes are all that’s on offer.

  18. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    Next time, just throw them off.

  19. barriejohn says:

    Toto: Good point. The same with the “end times” Christians. And they have the nerve to accuse atheists of being “nihilistic”!

  20. Toto says:

    If I boarded a flight and was next to one of these first rate top drawer creme de la creme bigoted loons I would demand to change my seat.

  21. Toto says:

    I trust the airlines know the identities of these verminous creeps and have the decency to bar them from future flights to protect the safety and security of normal rational customers. And I think it would be appropriate to confiscate their passports for a substantial number of years.

  22. Toto says:

    Here is an additional injunction to add to the torah or whatever their compendium of crap is called…
    “I must not behave like a petulant bigoted fuckwit in public”

  23. Toto says:

    Does foreskin removal endow the victim with the divine right to behave like a total prick?

  24. Toto says:

    The foreskin must be heavily freighted with neurones and connected to the brain by a superfast nerve? How else can circumcision account for the severe impairment of male fundamentalist jewish critical faculties.

  25. Matt Westwood says:

    I’m puzzled as for why the Haredi don’t plan this better. a) They could make sure they all get together to charter a flight, or b) if there’s not enough of them, they should plan in advance with the El Al administration staff to ensure they all get a block of seats together which can be ritually cleansed before they travel (can’t be beyond the wit of man to arrange a little privacy curtain around a section of seats together), or c) they can collaborate with El Al to ensure that they travel on planes containing nothing but men — all sorts of things they can do.

    The cynical amongst us should conclude, from their complete lack of ability to organise something like the above, that they are just deliberately out to make trouble, in which case pull their beards, yank off their silly hats and throw them across the cabin, and yell “fuck jehovah” in their faces.

  26. Frank says:

    Just slip these assholes some sleeping pills and toss their sorry asses into the luggage compartment.

  27. Michael Cohen says:

    If you choose a medieval mindset, you should forgo modern transportation. As usual, religious nutters pick and choose their holy behavior as suits them.

  28. lois kirsh says:

    The plane should have gone back to the terminal so the group disrupting
    the flight could have been arrested. The haredim knew exactly what they
    were doing well before they boarded. This is about imposing their will
    on what they perceive is a vulnerable population. Had they been arrested
    and refused future participation in El Al flights to Israel, they might have
    gotten the message. This situation was seriously mishandled.

  29. barriejohn says:

    Matt: Out to cause trouble? How could you even think such a thing?

    Ultra-Orthodox passengers on an El Al flight to Kiev this weekend showed no signs of joy when screens unfolded on the plane in preparation for the screening of a film. In fact, they were as mad as hell and started “a serious commotion” because they had been told that no films would be shown during the flight.

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/04/06/what-a-riot-ultra-orthodox-jews-kick-off-on-an-an-el-al-flight/

  30. barriejohn says:

    And this:

    PRAYING loudly on an airplane is frowned upon. But an exception to the rule was made In 2009 when a bunch of about 50 rabbis and Jewish mystics took to the skies above Israel, praying and blowing ceremonial horns or shofars in a bid to ward off swine flu.

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2012/11/09/on-a-wing-and-a-prayer-unruly-religious-nutter-forces-an-emergency-landing/

  31. barriejohn says:

    Update:

    http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/ultra-orthodox-el-al/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ultra-orthodox-el-al

    Chicago passenger Sharon Shaprio said: “If a passenger was abusive to airline staff, they would be removed from the plane. If a passenger was flouting the rules for take-off, thereby causing flight delay, they would be removed from the plane. If a passenger was openly engaging in racial or religious discrimination against another passenger or flight attendant, they would be removed from the plane.”